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But the elites didnt eat at street vendors any more than the KingOn Tue, 30 May 2023 17:23:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 17:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:46:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:24:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom
Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.
https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan
What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?
I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.
Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.
https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf
Confirms what I said
https://www.getty.edu/news/what-did-ancient-romans-eat/
Confirms what I said
https://www.inromecooking.com/blog/recipes/ancient-roman-food-what-did-the-romans-use-to-eat/
Confirms what I said
It\'s fairly easy to google this.
We can see why you don\'t post under your real name.
I am surprised you are not ashamed to post under yours. Assuming it is
All of my references mention carbs. Bread has lots of carbs.
I mentioned carbs too. I just made the point that the elites didnt eat
that many. But you snipped the part where I said the Roman Empires plebs
ran on bread and circuses and that wheat and indeed rice from eqypt were
major imports
You said \"No carbs at all\"
That\'s silly. Everybody eats carbs. Roman street vendors sold veggie
and meat handpies, the ancient version of fast food.
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:48:40 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
You don\'t really need a cite. The fact that Kraft sells millions
of tons of orange cheese tells the story.
https://www.tastingtable.com/1031396/how-the-color-of-cheddar-may-be-able-to-tell-you-where-it-was-made/
Oh, hey. In 2020 (or so) Kraft sold its natural cheese to Lactalis
Group, but kept Philadelphia cream cheese, Kraft singles, Velveeta,
and the unfortunately named Cheez Whiz. Looks like the Kraft sharp
cheddar that I buy is actually French.
French cheddar?
It\'s still made in a factory Wisconsin.
The Philly cream cheese is good for all sorts of things, like making
strawberry dip
Strawberries are fine on their own. No dip required.
Every few years we make cheesecake. That\'s about all the cream cheese I
use.
or the topping for Guinness Cake. It takes muscle to
make that topping so that\'s boy\'s work.
Or a girl with a stand mixer.
Or an electric drill with a paint stirring attachment. D-I-Y rules, OK?
On 29/05/2023 22:34, Ed P wrote:
On 5/29/2023 3:56 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:50:35 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
The modern state of affairs is that most of the world has electricity,
literacy, science, food, medicine, travel, womens and minority rights,
and choices in life. All that descended from the Greeks and
disseminated
through colonialism.
https://www.insideedition.com/texas-high-school-graduation-postponed-
after-only-5-seniors-qualify-for-diploma-81663
Please explain how eastern Asia benefited from the wisdom of a bunch of
dead Greeks? Or India. You are aware that India influenced Greek
philosophy, not vice versa.
I don\'t see how that could have happened. That was even before
MySpace, let alone Facebook.
Oh c\'mon. Take that tongue of of that cheek.
There was considerable cultural intermingling in the late bronze age and
early iron age.
The druids are said to have taught the Greek philopshers.
But the Greeks *wrote it down*
Bronze age people were intelligent and sophisticated and thought deeply
on many issues, once they had a culture that gave them the time.
This partisan nonsense about \'it all started here\' or \'we invented that\'
is simply nonsense. Good ideas spread eventually because they are useful
ideas.
Science may be decried as \'white and male\' but it fucking works, dude...
On the contrary I had the time of my life.On Tue, 30 May 2023 18:05:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 17:59, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:01:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans.
God, dont we just know that.
How much time have you spent in the USA? Where did you go?
I spent 3 months with an unlimited Greyhound pass in 1973. Coast to
coast. I spent about anotrher 3 months on business and in an RV
taraveling across the Mojave, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and, of course,
Califuckyou.
That was probably at a low notch in culture. But it sounds like you
didn\'t enjoy yourself, didn\'t make many friends.
There is a stereotypical American traveller to Europe. And Mexico too.I\'ve spent maybe six months in europe, including the USSR and Ireland
in the definition. Mo lived in Germany for a year and has spent
non-tourist time in Italy and China.
Americans do get around a lot, visit and live in other places.
But they always behave like Anericans and dont make any effort to
understand anything.
Don\'t be silly. We have 50 states, all sorts of cultures, and there is
no stereotypical \"Anerican.\" We have no racial majority here, and I
hear people speaking Spanish next door, right now. They are
construction guys, and I bring them beer every day about when they are
done.
Oh I like Americans, They are like small children, Bumptious andGood grief, we\'re almost out of beer!
I may have a new customer in Paris. That could be fun. It\'s much
better to hang out with locals and not be a tourist.
Try it then
I will, if I can help them. The science might turn out to be
important. They, unlike some I could name, seem to like Americans.
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:48:40 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
You don\'t really need a cite. The fact that Kraft sells millions
of tons of orange cheese tells the story.
https://www.tastingtable.com/1031396/how-the-color-of-cheddar-may-be-able-to-tell-you-where-it-was-made/
Oh, hey. In 2020 (or so) Kraft sold its natural cheese to Lactalis
Group, but kept Philadelphia cream cheese, Kraft singles, Velveeta,
and the unfortunately named Cheez Whiz. Looks like the Kraft sharp
cheddar that I buy is actually French.
French cheddar?
The Philly cream cheese is good for all sorts of things, like making
strawberry dip
or the topping for Guinness Cake. It takes muscle to
make that topping so that\'s boy\'s work.
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:01:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans.
God, dont we just know that.
How much time have you spent in the USA? Where did you go?
I\'ve spent maybe six months in europe, including the USSR and Ireland
in the definition. Mo lived in Germany for a year and has spent
non-tourist time in Italy and China.
Americans do get around a lot, visit and live in other places.
On 30/05/2023 17:59, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:01:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans.
God, dont we just know that.
How much time have you spent in the USA? Where did you go?
I spent 3 months with an unlimited Greyhound pass in 1973. Coast to
coast. I spent about anotrher 3 months on business and in an RV
taraveling across the Mojave, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and, of course,
Califuckyou.
I\'ve spent maybe six months in europe, including the USSR and Ireland
in the definition. Mo lived in Germany for a year and has spent
non-tourist time in Italy and China.
Americans do get around a lot, visit and live in other places.
But they always behave like Anericans and dont make any effort to
understand anything.
I may have a new customer in Paris. That could be fun. It\'s much
better to hang out with locals and not be a tourist.
Try it then
\"In 1801 up to a third of Londoners died from TB\"On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:36:16 +0100
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics
died of it.
Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.
It was sufficiently common to treat it lightly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_Round_the_Daffodils
On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics
died of it.
Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.
I spent 3 months with an unlimited Greyhound pass in 1973. Coast toOn Tue, 30 May 2023 16:01:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans.
God, dont we just know that.
How much time have you spent in the USA? Where did you go?
But they always behave like Anericans and dont make any effort toI\'ve spent maybe six months in europe, including the USSR and Ireland
in the definition. Mo lived in Germany for a year and has spent
non-tourist time in Italy and China.
Americans do get around a lot, visit and live in other places.
I may have a new customer in Paris. That could be fun. It\'s much
better to hang out with locals and not be a tourist.
Try it then
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
You don\'t really need a cite. The fact that Kraft sells millions
of tons of orange cheese tells the story.
https://www.tastingtable.com/1031396/how-the-color-of-cheddar-may-be-able-to-tell-you-where-it-was-made/
Oh, hey. In 2020 (or so) Kraft sold its natural cheese to Lactalis
Group, but kept Philadelphia cream cheese, Kraft singles, Velveeta,
and the unfortunately named Cheez Whiz. Looks like the Kraft sharp
cheddar that I buy is actually French.
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
 Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
 BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
 Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of
cholera.
TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died of it.
Women would fall pregnant 10-12 times, if they survived, and be happy to
see 4-5 live to teenage years. And maybe two to three beyond 30,.
On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans.
God, dont we just know that.
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
You said \"No carbs at all\"
That\'s silly. Everybody eats carbs. Roman street vendors sold veggie
and meat handpies, the ancient version of fast food.
But the elites didnt eat at street vendors any more than the King
frequents McDonalds
I\'ve spent maybe six months in europe, including the USSR and Ireland
in the definition. Mo lived in Germany for a year and has spent
non-tourist time in Italy and China.
Americans do get around a lot, visit and live in other places.
I may have a new customer in Paris. That could be fun. It\'s much
better to hang out with locals and not be a tourist.
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like
500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\"
was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most
of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?
You betcha...
https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients
\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow
dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans. There are even many
color-blind Americans.
They
certainly taste things differently.