v for frequency?...

[Peeler]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:55:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
\"I repeat, you are a complete and utter imbecile.\"
MID: <mpelth1engag7090piqvqp85pco7nphoal@4ax.com>

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 21:03:36 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-29, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

The modern state of affairs is that most of the world has electricity,
literacy, science, food, medicine, travel, womens and minority rights,
and choices in life. All that descended from the Greeks and
disseminated through colonialism.

There used to be a guy on sci.chem who said something like:
The only countries worth anything were the ones that had felt
the tread of the Roman Empire.

He allowed the U.S. because the Founders deliberately imitated
Greece and Rome.

Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

We had the decimal system before we had zero. It\'s kind of baked in
to our anatomy. Roman numerals are a base-10 system.

Fireworks are not a great cultural contribution, except that they
gave us cannons.

Sushi is a blip on the radar of history. From carpaccio to xató,
nobody was waiting around for the Japanese to serve them raw fish.

What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

The Marco Polo thing is a canard. They had pasta in ancient Greece,
Rome, and the Middle East. Boiling a paste of flour and water is
an obvious move for people who relied on community ovens to bake
bread.

\"There is a legend of Marco Polo importing pasta from China which
originated with the Macaroni Journal, published by an association of
food industries with the goal of promoting pasta in the United States.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta#History

Surely you know how many pasta sauces there are that do not involve
tomatoes.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.

They made polenta from other stuff, like chestnuts or barley. You
don\'t need cornmeal to make mush. I\'m about to sit down to a bowl
of oat mush.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.

That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 29/05/2023 20:37, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 15:13:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The world hates Britain because, by and large, they were better off when
we were in charge.

India might disagree.

Of course. Its highly embarrassing for them to admit that, but it is in
fact true.
Juts look at what happened when Hindus and Muslims started mixing it it
to create the Pakistans.


The US certainly would.

The US still has England in charge.

Argentina really wished
you\'d go home

Argentina was never a British colony, In fcat Britain helped it gain
independence from Spain.
\"Argentina rose as the successor state of the Viceroyalty of the Río de
la Plata,[15] a Spanish overseas viceroyalty founded in 1776. The
declaration and fight for independence (1810–1818) was followed by an
extended civil war that lasted until 1861, culminating in the country\'s
reorganization as a federation\"

**wiki

and Eire sent you home.
Eire wasn\'t worth fighting for. It had no strategic or economic value

I do like your technique of, unlike the usual \'appeal to authority\', of
the \'appeal to bleeding ignorance\'

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance\"

- John K Galbraith

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 29/05/2023 20:50, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 16:38:30 +0100, Fredxx wrote:

After my earlier post I was thinking along similar lines. African
countries were carved up with convenient borders. However many tribes
would have long standing issues with the neighbours such that a stable
government was never going to happen.

Kenya seems to be relatively stable no thanks to the Brits that insisted
on incorporating Somalis despite a plebiscite. Funny how plebiscites are
only valid if they come out \'right\'.
We trend to not favour racists policies.

--
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 29/05/2023 20:56, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:50:35 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The modern state of affairs is that most of the world has electricity,
literacy, science, food, medicine, travel, womens and minority rights,
and choices in life. All that descended from the Greeks and disseminated
through colonialism.

https://www.insideedition.com/texas-high-school-graduation-postponed-
after-only-5-seniors-qualify-for-diploma-81663

Please explain how eastern Asia benefited from the wisdom of a bunch of
dead Greeks? Or India. You are aware that India influenced Greek
philosophy, not vice versa.

Oh dear. I would explain, but I fear you are simply too stupid to understand

--
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the
other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

—Soren Kierkegaard

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 29/05/2023 22:10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 07:09:20 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The US natives now have anglo names, are literate, have horses and
houses and pickup trucks and beer and pizza and casinos and cataract
surgery. Few are voluntarily living off the land as hunter-gatherers.
Tribal warfare is now mostly on the internet.

Yeah, sure. I suppose if you ignore the Dark Continent, Myanmar, Central
and South America and a few other isolated instances.

He\'s talking about what we used to call \"Indians\" when we were young.

I\'m going to prove my non-PC bonafides:

\"How, white man. Where can red man find firewater?\"

Yeah.

It\'s all part of the Romantic myth of the \'noble savage\'

My time in South Africa was interesting. The Black townships - Soweto
chiefly - wanted drink, discotheques, electric lights and refrigerators.
They couldn\'t wait to abandon rural shacks and move to the place.

The other great myth is that you can have a western lifestyle and bring
your bronze age culture with you.

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 29/05/2023 22:34, Ed P wrote:

On 5/29/2023 3:56 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 08:50:35 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The modern state of affairs is that most of the world has electricity,
literacy, science, food, medicine, travel, womens and minority rights,
and choices in life. All that descended from the Greeks and disseminated
through colonialism.

https://www.insideedition.com/texas-high-school-graduation-postponed-
after-only-5-seniors-qualify-for-diploma-81663

Please explain how eastern Asia benefited from the wisdom of a bunch of
dead Greeks? Or India. You are aware that India influenced Greek
philosophy, not vice versa.

I don\'t see how that could have happened.  That was even before MySpace,
let alone Facebook.

Oh c\'mon. Take that tongue of of that cheek.
There was considerable cultural intermingling in the late bronze age and
early iron age. The druids are said to have taught the Greek philopshers.
But the Greeks *wrote it down*

Bronze age people were intelligent and sophisticated and thought deeply
on many issues, once they had a culture that gave them the time.

This partisan nonsense about \'it all started here\' or \'we invented that\'
is simply nonsense. Good ideas spread eventually because they are useful
ideas.
Science may be decried as \'white and male\' but it fucking works, dude...

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 19:23:19 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like
500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity.

Thats not what the word typically was referring too.

I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.

That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Irrelevant to whether the use of raw mild from your own cow
TYPICALLY killed those do use the milk from their own cow.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 04:59, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

It won\'t while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex ukrainians
and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The Ukraine is doing
wonders for their military industrial complexes.

Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted vacuum
cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses when their
normal strip develops big holes?

F16s are essentially obsolescent. They would have been mothballed or
scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.

People are delighted that they have a \'pre loved\' value.
--
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 19:55:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Ed Pawlowski addressing Rodent Speed:
\"You come across as a \"know it all\" and superior to the mere mortals. I bet
your farts don\'t stink either.\"
MID: <6UnrL.207334$8_id.180264@fx09.iad>

 

[John Larkin]

On 30 May 2023 05:03:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 21:10:59 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 07:09:20 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The US natives now have anglo names, are literate, have horses and
houses and pickup trucks and beer and pizza and casinos and cataract
surgery. Few are voluntarily living off the land as hunter-gatherers.
Tribal warfare is now mostly on the internet.

Yeah, sure. I suppose if you ignore the Dark Continent, Myanmar,
Central and South America and a few other isolated instances.

He\'s talking about what we used to call \"Indians\" when we were young.

I\'m going to prove my non-PC bonafides:

\"How, white man. Where can red man find firewater?\"

My bad. I skipped the US native part. John is out in Fruit & Nut land
where places like the Chumash Casino are raking in dough. He should take a
summer vacation in Montana and visit scenic Lame Deer, Browning, Rocky
Boy\'s, Fort Peck, Fort Belknap, or Crow Agency. For extra credit he can go
down to South Dakota and visit Pine Ridge.

I\'ve done the grand tour of the USA but pefer to stay closer to home
these days. I hate airports and long road trips. The sierras are a
three hour drive and there\'s plenty of stuff to explore on both ends
and in between.

The fruits and nuts _are_ good here. The cheese too.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 06:17, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 04:19:18 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

In fact even the world wars had little effect on population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

\"Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian
fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional estimated
19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. \"

Right. 70 million is a drop in the bucket. That\'s only a few million more
than the current population of the United Kingdom. I suppose it wasn\'t as
bad as the Thirty Years War.

It wasnt as bad as the black death anyway.
Russia need to get rid of its young men, and Germany wanted to get rid
of anyone who wasn\'t blond, blue eyed, and in the case of the feminine
gender, buxom.
Of cars US casualties in the European theatre were minimal compared to
the European and commonwealth participants

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.

Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.

Carbs have always been the last resort of the lowest echelons of
society, to be eaten when nothing else was available, along with insects.

They had olive oil, and wine.

The massive wheat growing farms, across the Empire farmed by slaves,
went to the plebs as \'bread, and circuses\'. Today it\'s \'Pizza, and
reality TV\'


I don\'t think the Romans were great on cattle (if you go to Italy, only
the Northern plains are really suitable to graze cattle), but Cleopatra
allegedly liked a bath of asses milk.

In reality sheep and goats were the herd animals of choice. And possible
pigs.
I think the Romans had rice, as well.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 10:04, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I\'m about to sit down to a bowl
of oat mush.

Why am I not surprised?
I have seven hours to go before I sit down to anything at all.
--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

 

[charles]

In article <u54gri$1uou1$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 22:10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 07:09:20 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The US natives now have anglo names, are literate, have horses and
houses and pickup trucks and beer and pizza and casinos and cataract
surgery. Few are voluntarily living off the land as hunter-gatherers.
Tribal warfare is now mostly on the internet.

Yeah, sure. I suppose if you ignore the Dark Continent, Myanmar,
Central and South America and a few other isolated instances.

He\'s talking about what we used to call \"Indians\" when we were young.

I\'m going to prove my non-PC bonafides:

\"How, white man. Where can red man find firewater?\"

Yeah.

It\'s all part of the Romantic myth of the \'noble savage\'

My time in South Africa was interesting. The Black townships - Soweto
chiefly - wanted drink, discotheques, electric lights and refrigerators.
They couldn\'t wait to abandon rural shacks and move to the place.

The other great myth is that you can have a western lifestyle and bring
your bronze age culture with you.

I remember reading, not so long ago, that students at a South African
university didn\'t want to be taught \"White Science\". My reaction was - OK
- turn off electricity and see how you get on.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 14:14, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

These days ALL herds at least in the UK are TT - tuberculin tested.
And if some errant badger has passed it on they kill the herd instead of
the badger, sadly.

I\'ve never heard of ANY cases of brucella in the UK. Listeria perhaps.
In any case these are all bacterial infections, treatable with
antibiotics, that you are far more likely to catch from other sources
than raw milk...



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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:24:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.


Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.

https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf

https://www.getty.edu/news/what-did-ancient-romans-eat/

https://www.inromecooking.com/blog/recipes/ancient-roman-food-what-did-the-romans-use-to-eat/

It\'s fairly easy to google this.

We can see why you don\'t post under your real name.