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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:13:10 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 30. maj 2023 kl. 23.40.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:22:21 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 30. maj 2023 kl. 21.39.03 UTC+2 skrev Rod Speed:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk...@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.

But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30234385/
It surprises me that nobody accidentally discovered things like
preserving food and saving babies, before Pasteur.

It should have been obvious that reheating, say, a pot of stew kept it
from spoiling. Sealing food in a jar under wax should have been
discovered too.

they did, https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/nchfp/factsheets/food_pres_hist.html

After the railroad was pushed over the Sierra crest, about 1870, there
was an industry of exporting ice over the railroad, to stock ice
houses in the lowlands. This allowed fresh fruit to be shipped East.

East of Eden.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:55:24 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Rod Speed wrote

In fact even the world wars had little effect on population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

\"Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian
fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional
estimated 19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. \"

Right. 70 million is a drop in the bucket.

Yep, the world population was about 2 billion at the time.

Sure, if you want to count everybody that wasn\'t involved in WWII. The
USSR lost about 10%, most of which would be military aged males.

 

[Ed P]

On 5/30/2023 6:35 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?

Color is regional too. Some places expect it to be orange, others white.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1991/04/18/cheddar-color-varies-with-regions/

Believe it or not, Cheddar cheese varies in color from off-white to deep
orange, because of regional preferences. According to the National Dairy
Board, Westerners and Midwesterners prefer their cheese a medium orange,
New Englanders favor a white cheddar and Southerners like it a deep orange.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:47:18 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 07:53:44 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 06:49:19 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx
fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from
Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to
be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and
seven
fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by
publicity
about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die
out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of
times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s)
or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were
killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and
may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis,
uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual
death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of
such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\"
and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.

But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.

But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were.

Not TYPICALLY they weren\'t.

Are you a raw milk fan?

Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Nowhere does that say that drinking rawmilk TYPICALLY results in being
killed by it.

Nowhere. That would be silly.

Then why did you say that ?

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:15:00 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Of cars US casualties in the European theatre were minimal compared to
the European and commonwealth participants

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/
research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-war

That doesn\'t break down the European versus Pacific theaters. It was more
costly than WWI when the deaths from influenza exceeded the US combat
deaths. Lucky for me my father missed both causes.

 

[Rod Speed]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Rod Speed wrote

In fact even the world wars had little effect on population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

\"Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian
fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional
estimated 19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. \"

Right. 70 million is a drop in the bucket.

Yep, the world population was about 2 billion at the time.

Sure, if you want to count everybody that wasn\'t involved in WWII.

The
USSR lost about 10%, most of which would be military aged males.

A small subset of even the countrys involved in WW2

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 03:05:26 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> The fruits and nuts _are_ good here. The cheese too.

I have fond memories of a date grove in Furnace Creek iirc. A woman
operating out of a trailer sold me a huge bag of dates for a very small
sum. That was about \'85 so it\'s probably gone by now.

My brother had a friend somewhere around Lompoc that had walnuts. The
commercial stuff you get from Diamond wasn\'t in the same league.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:04:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

They made polenta from other stuff, like chestnuts or barley. You don\'t
need cornmeal to make mush. I\'m about to sit down to a bowl of oat
mush.

My bad. I never dug into the history and thought it only meant corn meal
much.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:40:55 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It won\'t while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.

Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
when their normal strip develops big holes?

They are quite capable of filling in the holes.

Agreed. And the Russians are quite capable of blowing new ones. It must
suck to be in the air when somebody shoots the shit out of your home.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:57:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/05/2023 04:59, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

It won\'t while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.

Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
when their normal strip develops big holes?

F16s are essentially obsolescent. They would have been mothballed or
scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.

People are delighted that they have a \'pre loved\' value.

Like the B-52s they fly. They\'re scheduled to be replaced by F-35s someday
soon.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 09:37:47 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:40:55 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It won\'t while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.

Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
when their normal strip develops big holes?

They are quite capable of filling in the holes.

Agreed. And the Russians are quite capable of blowing new ones.

And the Ukrainians are quite capable of shooting down those trying to do
that.

It must
suck to be in the air when somebody shoots the shit out of your home.

That\'s why they use drones.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 09:39:50 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:57:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/05/2023 04:59, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

It won\'t while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.

Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
when their normal strip develops big holes?

F16s are essentially obsolescent. They would have been mothballed or
scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.

People are delighted that they have a \'pre loved\' value.

Like the B-52s they fly. They\'re scheduled to be replaced by F-35s
someday
soon.

Fantasy.

 

[Fredxx]

On 31/05/2023 00:01, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:42:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


The US certainly would.

The US still has England in charge.

Do you mean that as \'The governess is in charge of the snot nosed brat\'?


Argentina really wished
you\'d go home

Argentina was never a British colony, In fcat Britain helped it gain
independence from Spain.

You certainly seem to think the Falklands should be yours. I suppose as
the empire vanished you had to hold on to something for old times sake.

The Falklanders thought so.

and Eire sent you home.
Eire wasn\'t worth fighting for. It had no strategic or economic value

Then why didn\'t you let it go in 1798? Or 1641 for that matter?

Presumably the landowners failed to make money from the land somewhat
later. Phytophthora infestans has a lot to answer for!

I do like your technique of, unlike the usual \'appeal to authority\', of
the \'appeal to bleeding ignorance\'

When you\'re dealing with the ignorant...

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 09:19:37 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:47:18 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 07:53:44 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 06:49:19 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx
fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from
Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to
be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and
seven
fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by
publicity
about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die
out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of
times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s)
or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were
killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and
may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis,
uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual
death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of
such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\"
and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.

But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.

But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were.

Not TYPICALLY they weren\'t.

Are you a raw milk fan?

Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Nowhere does that say that drinking rawmilk TYPICALLY results in being
killed by it.

Nowhere. That would be silly.

Then why did you say that ?

I didn\'t.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:10:19 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 09:19:37 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:47:18 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 07:53:44 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 06:49:19 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx
fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx
fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese
was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from
Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products
to
be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk
(flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to
let
most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and
some
other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and
seven
fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by
publicity
about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically
die
out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of
times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own
cow(s)
or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were
killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS
series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from
infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and
may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis,
uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual
death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of
such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\"
and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.

But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers
and
dead children. That was real.

But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and
Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were.

Not TYPICALLY they weren\'t.

Are you a raw milk fan?

Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Nowhere does that say that drinking rawmilk TYPICALLY results in
being
killed by it.

Nowhere. That would be silly.

Then why did you say that ?

I didn\'t.

Yes you did.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 19:15:36 -0400, Ed P wrote:

Believe it or not, Cheddar cheese varies in color from off-white to deep
orange, because of regional preferences. According to the National Dairy
Board, Westerners and Midwesterners prefer their cheese a medium orange,
New Englanders favor a white cheddar and Southerners like it a deep
orange.

It\'s understandable in the South they expect it all to look like Kraft
individually wrapped American cheese slices. What would white trash
cooking be without Velveeta and Marshmallow Fluff?

I grew up in upstate NY near the VT border and many of the smaller
independent grocers has wheels of \'rat trap cheese\' and would slice off
what you wanted.

https://calefs.com/shop/calefs-cheese-deli/cheese-calefs-cheese-deli/rat-
trap/

I lived near Scruton Pond in NH and Calef\'s was on the way home. That was
about 50 years before they had an internet presence. At the time Scruton
Pond was sort of a hippy enclave; looking at the real estate prices you\'d
have to be a damn rich hippy to live there now.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 13:28:39 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 19:15:36 -0400, Ed P wrote:

Believe it or not, Cheddar cheese varies in color from off-white to deep
orange, because of regional preferences. According to the National Dairy
Board, Westerners and Midwesterners prefer their cheese a medium orange,
New Englanders favor a white cheddar and Southerners like it a deep
orange.

It\'s understandable in the South they expect it all to look like Kraft
individually wrapped American cheese slices. What would white trash
cooking be without Velveeta and Marshmallow Fluff?

I grew up in upstate NY near the VT border and many of the smaller
independent grocers has wheels of \'rat trap cheese\' and would slice off
what you wanted.

https://calefs.com/shop/calefs-cheese-deli/cheese-calefs-cheese-deli/rat-
trap/

I lived near Scruton Pond in NH and Calef\'s was on the way home. That was
about 50 years before they had an internet presence. At the time Scruton
Pond was sort of a hippy enclave; looking at the real estate prices you\'d
have to be a damn rich hippy to live there now.

Or have been there all this time.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:05:28 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:48:40 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

<snip>

Oh, hey. In 2020 (or so) Kraft sold its natural cheese to Lactalis Group, but kept Philadelphia cream cheese, Kraft singles, Velveeta, and the unfortunately named Cheez Whiz. Looks like the Kraft sharp cheddar that I buy is actually French.

French cheddar?

Cantal is the classic French hard cheese, and good cantal is pretty close to good cheddar.

> The Philly cream cheese is good for all sorts of things, like making strawberry dip or the topping for Guinness Cake. It takes muscle to make that topping so that\'s boy\'s work.

Yuk.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:20:18 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 18:05:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid..invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 17:59, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:01:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:
On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

<snip>

> >But they always behave like Americans and dont make any effort to understand anything.

Not absolutely always, but a whole lot of them do fit that descvription.

> Don\'t be silly. We have 50 states, all sorts of cultures, and there is no stereotypical \"American.\" We have no racial majority here, and I hear people speaking Spanish next door, right now. They are construction guys, and I bring them beer every day about when they are done.

Most Americans are white, Anglo-Saxon and protestant, and ignorant enough to thing that there\'s a lot of variation in what passes for their culture.

> Good grief, we\'re almost out of beer!

As if America had real beer.

> >> I may have a new customer in Paris. That could be fun. It\'s much better to hang out with locals and not be a tourist.

The French are very proud of their high technology. Cambridge Instruments bought a steaming heap of it once, and I spent a tedious year leading the electronics team that worked out that we\'d have to dump the lot of it and replace with something that worked well enough to have a chance of satisfying our customers.

The extra work required meant that the project became impracticable - we just couldn\'t find enough engineers to do it, so we spent as much to buy ourselves out of the contract as it would have cost us to finish the job

Try it then.

I will, if I can help them. The science might turn out to be
important. They, unlike some I could name, seem to like Americans.

The French are always happy to help people who are silly enough to take them seriously. European Semiconductor Specialists in Aix-en-Provence quite liked Bells Labs who sold them five shaped beam electron beam microfabricators until they realised that the machines ran ten times more slowly that than Bell Labs had claimed they would.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.

But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.

But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

Not especially. I just noted that raw milk cheese is available, and I
buy it sometimes.


--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill