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Scott Lurndal
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
That\'s like putting ketchup on a good steak.
That\'s like putting ketchup on a good steak.
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Rod Speed
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:14:33 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Nope.
But what killed you was the virus, not a \'chill\'
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 16:33, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
Well in essence it does.
Nope.
If you have a viral lung infection, and get cold, you end up with viral
pneumonia and possibly bacterial secondary infections. It is well known
that virus thrive in particular temperature and humidity conditions.
But what killed you was the virus, not a \'chill\'
R
Rod Speed
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
P
Peeler
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:22:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
--
MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rodent Speed:
\"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage.\"
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
--
MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rodent Speed:
\"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage.\"
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
P
Peeler
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
\"Ah, the voice of scum speaks.\"
MID: <g4t0jtFrknaU1@mid.individual.net>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
\"Ah, the voice of scum speaks.\"
MID: <g4t0jtFrknaU1@mid.individual.net>
P
Peeler
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 04:46:56 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
--
Bod addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble.\"
MID: <gfbb94Fb4a4U1@mid.individual.net>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>
--
Bod addressing senile Rodent Speed:
\"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble.\"
MID: <gfbb94Fb4a4U1@mid.individual.net>
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?
google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk
Are you a raw milk fan?
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?
google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk
Are you a raw milk fan?
C
Cindy Hamilton
Guest
On 2023-05-30, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Nothing wrong with a bagel, a schmear, and some smoked salmon.
--
Cindy Hamilton
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 30/05/2023 18:27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Every few years we make cheesecake. That\'s about all the cream cheese I
use.
Its pretty good on smoked salmon, once a year at Christmas
That\'s like putting ketchup on a good steak.
Nothing wrong with a bagel, a schmear, and some smoked salmon.
--
Cindy Hamilton
L
Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Guest
tirsdag den 30. maj 2023 kl. 21.39.03 UTC+2 skrev Rod Speed:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30234385/
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk...@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30234385/
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:22:21 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
It surprises me that nobody accidentally discovered things like
preserving food and saving babies, before Pasteur.
It should have been obvious that reheating, say, a pot of stew kept it
from spoiling. Sealing food in a jar under wax should have been
discovered too.
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
tirsdag den 30. maj 2023 kl. 21.39.03 UTC+2 skrev Rod Speed:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk...@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30234385/
It surprises me that nobody accidentally discovered things like
preserving food and saving babies, before Pasteur.
It should have been obvious that reheating, say, a pot of stew kept it
from spoiling. Sealing food in a jar under wax should have been
discovered too.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 04:36:11 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
I never said anything that silly.
Actually, many of the novelists died young too.
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 00:25:50 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like
500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\"
was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most
of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
But that wasnt due to them using exclusively raw milk.
I never said anything that silly.
And farm boy memoirs are a FAR better source than novels.
Actually, many of the novelists died young too.
R
Rod Speed
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 06:49:19 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
Not TYPICALLY they weren\'t.
> Are you a raw milk fan?
Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.
> google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk
Nowhere does that say that drink raw milk
TYPICALLY results in being killed by it.
> Are you a raw milk fan?
Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from
Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to
be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die
out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were
killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis,
uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual
death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
Some certainly were.
Not TYPICALLY they weren\'t.
> Are you a raw milk fan?
Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.
> google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk
Nowhere does that say that drink raw milk
TYPICALLY results in being killed by it.
> Are you a raw milk fan?
Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.
R
Rod Speed
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 07:42:08 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
You clearly did say
But not from using RAW milk.
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 04:36:11 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 00:25:50 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like
500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\"
was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most
of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
But that wasnt due to them using exclusively raw milk.
I never said anything that silly.
You clearly did say
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
And farm boy memoirs are a FAR better source than novels.
Actually, many of the novelists died young too.
But not from using RAW milk.
L
Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Guest
tirsdag den 30. maj 2023 kl. 23.40.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
they did, https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/nchfp/factsheets/food_pres_hist.html
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:22:21 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
tirsdag den 30. maj 2023 kl. 21.39.03 UTC+2 skrev Rod Speed:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk...@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30234385/
It surprises me that nobody accidentally discovered things like
preserving food and saving babies, before Pasteur.
It should have been obvious that reheating, say, a pot of stew kept it
from spoiling. Sealing food in a jar under wax should have been
discovered too.
they did, https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/nchfp/factsheets/food_pres_hist.html
R
rbowman
Guest
On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?
There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.
Cite?
If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?
R
rbowman
Guest
On Tue, 30 May 2023 17:27:19 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I tried one of those hideous Jello productions once. After that I left
cheesecake making to the pros and even some of them aren\'t too good at it.
Every few years we make cheesecake. That\'s about all the cream cheese I
use.
I tried one of those hideous Jello productions once. After that I left
cheesecake making to the pros and even some of them aren\'t too good at it.
R
rbowman
Guest
On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:02:36 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
A friend and I went into a Boston deli and asked for a pound of lox. The
clerk asked how many people we were feeding. We got the feeling a pound
should feed the multitudes, not three healthy Americans.
On 2023-05-30, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 30/05/2023 18:27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Every few years we make cheesecake. That\'s about all the cream
cheese I use.
Its pretty good on smoked salmon, once a year at Christmas
That\'s like putting ketchup on a good steak.
Nothing wrong with a bagel, a schmear, and some smoked salmon.
A friend and I went into a Boston deli and asked for a pound of lox. The
clerk asked how many people we were feeding. We got the feeling a pound
should feed the multitudes, not three healthy Americans.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 31 May 2023 07:53:44 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nowhere. That would be silly.
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 06:49:19 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:33:17 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:
On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?
I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted
diseases.
As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from
Germanic
tribes.
(In the US, most states require all dairy products to
be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)
10 min. under a cobalt source???
Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.
Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some
other
nasties.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
As usual the signs of another lost argument.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".
Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.
The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.
Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.
I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.
Here is what you said, again.
There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.
The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die
out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.
That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.
Sometimes it did.
Not TYPICALLY it didnt.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were
killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.
\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis,
uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"
No, thanks.
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual
death
was.
I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.
No, that was popular in novels but cold showers aren\'t big killers.
But the old novels were full of death, young widows and widowers and
dead children. That was real.
But due to TB and no antibiotics, not due to them using raw milk.
Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.
But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.
Some certainly were.
Not TYPICALLY they weren\'t.
Are you a raw milk fan?
Nope, dont in fact bother with milk at all anymore.
google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk
Nowhere does that say that drink raw milk
TYPICALLY results in being killed by it.
Nowhere. That would be silly.
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rbowman
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:43:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Oh fuck me flying.
On 29/05/2023 20:50, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 16:38:30 +0100, Fredxx wrote:
After my earlier post I was thinking along similar lines. African
countries were carved up with convenient borders. However many tribes
would have long standing issues with the neighbours such that a stable
government was never going to happen.
Kenya seems to be relatively stable no thanks to the Brits that
insisted on incorporating Somalis despite a plebiscite. Funny how
plebiscites are only valid if they come out \'right\'.
We trend to not favour racists policies.
Oh fuck me flying.
R
rbowman
Guest
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:42:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Do you mean that as \'The governess is in charge of the snot nosed brat\'?
You certainly seem to think the Falklands should be yours. I suppose as
the empire vanished you had to hold on to something for old times sake.
Then why didn\'t you let it go in 1798? Or 1641 for that matter?
When you\'re dealing with the ignorant...
The US certainly would.
The US still has England in charge.
Do you mean that as \'The governess is in charge of the snot nosed brat\'?
Argentina really wished
you\'d go home
Argentina was never a British colony, In fcat Britain helped it gain
independence from Spain.
You certainly seem to think the Falklands should be yours. I suppose as
the empire vanished you had to hold on to something for old times sake.
and Eire sent you home.
Eire wasn\'t worth fighting for. It had no strategic or economic value
Then why didn\'t you let it go in 1798? Or 1641 for that matter?
I do like your technique of, unlike the usual \'appeal to authority\', of
the \'appeal to bleeding ignorance\'
When you\'re dealing with the ignorant...