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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 8:15:07 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/05/2023 06:17, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 04:19:18 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

In fact even the world wars had little effect on population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

\"Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian
fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional estimated
19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. \"

Right. 70 million is a drop in the bucket. That\'s only a few million more
than the current population of the United Kingdom. I suppose it wasn\'t as
bad as the Thirty Years War.

It wasn\'t as bad as the black death anyway.

It was still quite bad enough. My mother had a photograph from her days as an undergraduate, and three of the five men in it died in WW2.

> Russia need to get rid of its young men,

What ever makes you think that?

> and Germany wanted to get rid of anyone who wasn\'t blond, blue eyed, and in the case of the feminine gender, buxom.

Equally nonsensical. They would have been perfectly happy to ship the Jews off to Madagascar - and had plans to do it at one point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

> Of course US casualties in the European theatre were minimal compared to the European and commonwealth participants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Rubbish. 104,812 US troops were killed in action in action in Europe. That\'s not \"mininal casualties\" - it was about a quarter of the US military war deaths.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 15:21, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:24:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.


Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.

https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf
Confirms what I said

https://www.getty.edu/news/what-did-ancient-romans-eat/

Confirms what I said

https://www.inromecooking.com/blog/recipes/ancient-roman-food-what-did-the-romans-use-to-eat/

Confirms what I said
It\'s fairly easy to google this.

We can see why you don\'t post under your real name.

I am surprised you are not ashamed to post under yours. Assuming it is

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of cholera.
TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died of it.

Women would fall pregnant 10-12 times, if they survived, and be happy to
see 4-5 live to teenage years. And maybe two to three beyond 30,.

I am genuinely astonished that all this is new to you.


--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

 

[John Larkin]

On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?

You betcha...

https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients

\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

>

But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans. There are even many
color-blind Americans.

I suspect that different people may see colors very differently. They
certainly taste things differently.

 

[Joe]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:25:50 -0700
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

The problem with the currently fashionable Bowdlerisation of old
fiction is that a lot of the material removed is the kind of thing that
gives readers a feel for the time in which it was set, and often,
written. The language used and the general public feeling for various
matters that are different today are exactly the kind of things
necessary to get a feel for the characters and the world in which they
lived.

A lot of real-world history, which perhaps is not often recorded by
historians, can be found in period fiction. Thanks to Conan Doyle, who
is unlikely to be \'revised\', we know that in Victoria\'s reign the
profession of GP was an honourable but not a particularly well-paid one,
and that a letter posted in London might well be delivered in another
part of London a few hours later.

--
Joe

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 15:50, John Larkin wrote:

On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?

You betcha...

https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients

\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?



But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans.
God, dont we just know that.

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:42:44 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:37, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 15:13:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The world hates Britain because, by and large, they were better off when we were in charge.

India might disagree.

Of course. Its highly embarrassing for them to admit that, but it is in fact true.

It\'s not remotely true. India kept on having lethal famines until the British left. They had few famines after that, but somehow managed to ship enough food around to stop people dying.

> Juts look at what happened when Hindus and Muslims started mixing it it to create the Pakistans.

Just look what happened when Mountbatten wanted to get partition over an done with quickly. so that he could get home, and didn\'t leave enough time for the people on the wrong sides of the border to get to the side that was safe for them

The US certainly would.

The US still has England in charge.

The US is in a mess, but it has been their own mess since 1783.

Argentina really wished you\'d go home.

Argentina was never a British colony, In fact Britain helped it gain independence from Spain.

\"Argentina rose as the successor state of the Viceroyalty of the Río de
la Plata,[15] a Spanish overseas viceroyalty founded in 1776. The
declaration and fight for independence (1810–1818) was followed by an
extended civil war that lasted until 1861, culminating in the country\'s
reorganization as a federation\".

And a whole lot of UK investment. The UK bought a whole lot of Argentine beef and grain for the next century, and treated it pretty much as a UK colony.

and Eire sent you home.

Eire wasn\'t worth fighting for. It had no strategic or economic value.

Not Cromwell\'s opinion.

> I do like your technique of, unlike the usual \'appeal to authority\', of the \'appeal to bleeding ignorance\'.

The Natural Philosopher recognises and admires his own approach when it is used by others. He shouldn\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[SteveW]

On 30/05/2023 15:53, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:25:50 -0700
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:



In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.


The problem with the currently fashionable Bowdlerisation of old
fiction is that a lot of the material removed is the kind of thing that
gives readers a feel for the time in which it was set, and often,
written. The language used and the general public feeling for various
matters that are different today are exactly the kind of things
necessary to get a feel for the characters and the world in which they
lived.

A lot of real-world history, which perhaps is not often recorded by
historians, can be found in period fiction. Thanks to Conan Doyle, who
is unlikely to be \'revised\', we know that in Victoria\'s reign the
profession of GP was an honourable but not a particularly well-paid one,
and that a letter posted in London might well be delivered in another
part of London a few hours later.

I\'ve seen letters in Manchester\'s Museum of Science and Industry, that
show that in Victorian times, it was possible for a solicitor in
Manchester to post a letter to a solicitor in Liverpool and not only
expect it to be delivered that day, but for the reply to be received by
close of business that day!

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 15:53, Joe wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:25:50 -0700
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:



In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.


The problem with the currently fashionable Bowdlerisation of old
fiction is that a lot of the material removed is the kind of thing that
gives readers a feel for the time in which it was set, and often,
written. The language used and the general public feeling for various
matters that are different today are exactly the kind of things
necessary to get a feel for the characters and the world in which they
lived.

Oh god yes. I have only ever been really shocked by one Edwardian novel
- The Hero \'Bulldog\' Drummond \'blacks up\' to successfully disguise
himself as a black servant, who is simply beneath notice.
He berates the bad guys by saying. \"You shouldn\'t have looked at the
colour, because *only niggers smell*\". Presumably he had on his best
deodorant and after shave.

Wow!

In fact most of the Edwardian and late Victorian authors present
extremely sympathetic picturing of \'other races\' as did Mark Twain.

A lot of real-world history, which perhaps is not often recorded by
historians, can be found in period fiction. Thanks to Conan Doyle, who
is unlikely to be \'revised\', we know that in Victoria\'s reign the
profession of GP was an honourable but not a particularly well-paid one,
and that a letter posted in London might well be delivered in another
part of London a few hours later.

Try \'Hatters Castle\' by A J Kronin - the man who gave us Dr Finlay\'s
Casebook et al. As a narrative describing the effects of chronic mercury
poisoning on a rigid fundamental Christian Scottish family, with a wife
dead years ago, it makes stark reading.

A far better case can be made for Beatrix Potters wholesale ripoff of
\'the tales of Uncle Remus\' in creating her toxic bunnies.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

 

[Max Demian]

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that \"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

--
Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well.  It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of
cholera.

The lesson from that novel would be that a disability can be cured by a
magic garden.

> TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died of it.

Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.

--
Max Demian

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-30, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well.  It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of
cholera.

The lesson from that novel would be that a disability can be cured by a
magic garden.

It\'s been a long time since I read \"The Secret Garden\", but wasn\'t
it the case that the boy who was cured by the \"magic\" garden in
fact wasn\'t disabled at all? Purely psychosomatic.

TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died of it.

Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.

Heh. Good one.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?

You betcha...

https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients

\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the cheese
sauce.\"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

You don\'t really need a cite. The fact that Kraft sells millions
of tons of orange cheese tells the story.

https://www.tastingtable.com/1031396/how-the-color-of-cheddar-may-be-able-to-tell-you-where-it-was-made/

Oh, hey. In 2020 (or so) Kraft sold its natural cheese to Lactalis
Group, but kept Philadelphia cream cheese, Kraft singles, Velveeta,
and the unfortunately named Cheez Whiz. Looks like the Kraft sharp
cheddar that I buy is actually French.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:46:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:24:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.


Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.

https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf
Confirms what I said


https://www.getty.edu/news/what-did-ancient-romans-eat/

Confirms what I said

https://www.inromecooking.com/blog/recipes/ancient-roman-food-what-did-the-romans-use-to-eat/

Confirms what I said
It\'s fairly easy to google this.

We can see why you don\'t post under your real name.

I am surprised you are not ashamed to post under yours. Assuming it is

All of my references mention carbs. Bread has lots of carbs.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 16:33, Max Demian wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:50:42 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:14:47 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:36:41 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:55:34 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:27:28 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:46:10 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:00:48 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk
wrote:

On 29/05/2023 20:40, Rod Speed wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 05:16:00 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:31:31 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 29.05.23 um 16:22 schrieb John Larkin:
hem\" ?

I wonder what French or Italian or English cheese was
like 500
years
ago. I know that many dairy products transmitted diseases.

As our Latin teacher told us more than once, that
\"caseus\" was
the ONLY loanword the Romans took into Latin from Germanic
tribes.

(In the US, most states require all dairy products to be
pasteurized
or equivalent.)

10 min. under a cobalt source???


Cheese here has to be made from pasteurized milk (flash
heated,
like
72c for 15 seconds) or aged for at least 60 days to let
most of
the
bugs die out.

Milk was once a major vector for tuberculosis and some other
nasties.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
  Yes.

typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.
  BULLSHIT.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35277846/
  Says nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

As usual the signs of another lost argument.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Perhaps you didn\'t/can\'t read the bit, \"17 deaths, and seven
fetal
losses\".

Still nothing even remotely like TYPICALLY, fuckwit.

The raw milk fads are usually, ie typically, ended by publicity
about
illness and deaths.

Sure, but your original claim that those who use
raw milk typically get that result is just plain wrong.

I claimed nothing of the sort. Read what I said.

Here is what you said, again.

There are occasional fads here for raw milk,
typically with
unfortunate side effects, like dead babies.

Even you should be able to see the word TYPICALLY there.

The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out
when deaths got publicity. I\'ve seen that happen a couple of times.


That clearly didnt happen with those who had their own cow(s) or
goats.

Sometimes it did.

Not TYPICALLY it didnt.

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well.  It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

I don\'t doubt that, but I don\'t think novels are a good source of such
information. In old stories people were always catching a \"chill\" and
dying, which doesn\'t really happen.

Well in essence it does.

If you have a viral lung infection, and get cold, you end up with viral
pneumonia and possibly bacterial secondary infections. It is well known
that virus thrive in particular temperature and humidity conditions.



--
\"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them.\"

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 16:36, Max Demian wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well.  It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of
cholera.

The lesson from that novel would be that a disability can be cured by a
magic garden.

Try reading it.
The lesson is that snoflakes are always whining and encouraging others
to whine even when there is nothing wrong

TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died
of it.

Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.

What an unbelievably stupid comment.

--
\"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them.\"

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 16:41, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-30, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:14:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-30, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed
to eliminate TB. That\'s in the Herriot books and the PBS series.

Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well.  It\'s mostly passed by
drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected
milk.

\"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may
include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis,
optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders
collectively known as neurobrucellosis.\"

No, thanks.

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of
cholera.

The lesson from that novel would be that a disability can be cured by a
magic garden.

It\'s been a long time since I read \"The Secret Garden\", but wasn\'t
it the case that the boy who was cured by the \"magic\" garden in
fact wasn\'t disabled at all? Purely psychosomatic.

Correct.
And the garden wasn\'t magic. Merely locked up.

TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died of it.

Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.

Heh. Good one.

Rather stupid one.
If you are interested in the real facts rather than snide comments try this

https://aeon.co/ideas/how-a-generation-of-consumptives-defined-19th-century-romanticism

I accept that Romanticism was largely a European movement, so you can be
excused not knowing what I was talking about


--
\"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.\"

Jonathan Swift.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 30/05/2023 17:00, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:46:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:24:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.


Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.

https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf
Confirms what I said


https://www.getty.edu/news/what-did-ancient-romans-eat/

Confirms what I said

https://www.inromecooking.com/blog/recipes/ancient-roman-food-what-did-the-romans-use-to-eat/

Confirms what I said
It\'s fairly easy to google this.

We can see why you don\'t post under your real name.

I am surprised you are not ashamed to post under yours. Assuming it is

All of my references mention carbs. Bread has lots of carbs.

I mentioned carbs too. I just made the point that the elites didnt eat
that many. But you snipped the part where I said the Roman Empires plebs
ran on bread and circuses and that wheat and indeed rice from eqypt were
major imports

The only think you links added to that was that legumes and leeks were
also popular.




--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man\'s best friend. Inside of a dog it\'s
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 17:23:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 17:00, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 15:46:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 15:21, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:24:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 30/05/2023 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:31 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Western countries certainly benefited from the decimal system, and the
concepts of fireworks and sushi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom

Hard to believe but there once was culture in Afghanistan.

https://www.mei.edu/publications/death-buddhas-bamiyan


What did Italians eat before Marco Polo brought pasta from asia and
someone imported tomatoes from the new world?

I was going to say polenta but that\'s out too. Maybe they ignored the
Pythagoreans and lived on fava beans.


Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats,
mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.

https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf
Confirms what I said


https://www.getty.edu/news/what-did-ancient-romans-eat/

Confirms what I said

https://www.inromecooking.com/blog/recipes/ancient-roman-food-what-did-the-romans-use-to-eat/

Confirms what I said
It\'s fairly easy to google this.

We can see why you don\'t post under your real name.

I am surprised you are not ashamed to post under yours. Assuming it is

All of my references mention carbs. Bread has lots of carbs.



I mentioned carbs too. I just made the point that the elites didnt eat
that many. But you snipped the part where I said the Roman Empires plebs
ran on bread and circuses and that wheat and indeed rice from eqypt were
major imports

You said \"No carbs at all\"

That\'s silly. Everybody eats carbs. Roman street vendors sold veggie
and meat handpies, the ancient version of fast food.