Trevor Tosspot admits he seeks a total ban on the private ow

[SaPeIsMa]

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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the
better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own



It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

Liar , the desire to protect ones self and family IS the very reason to
own small arms , passing a fair test for carry is terribly difficult and
determines well that the permit holder is reliable and safe in ownership

I don't think chucklehead is lying
I truly believe that in his fantasy world ANYONE one who buys into the idea
that a gun can be used for self defense is "unsuitable to hold a gun
license"
Apparently to him, it's perfectly OK for civilians to be defenseless
The MORE defenseless, the better it is.

Totally ignores the VERY BASIC right of ANY individual to self-defense

But, it's a very perverted point-of-view

 

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On 4/24/2012 4:28 PM, dechucka wrote:

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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the
better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't own a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why don't we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and give all
the crims a better advantage ??".

Guns in general are not licensed for self defense in Australia

That's true and with the increase in armed invasions I reckon it
should be reconsidered.

You really want to walk around in your home all the time with a loaded
gun? Should it be compulsory?

It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

It's not for me to judge but I really think you should get out more.

I doubt that would help
The very notion that someone being in fear for their lives would make them
"unsuitable to hold a gun license ", is such a perverse and immoral
position, that it shows far deeper psychological problems.

 

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

On 4/24/2012 4:28 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/24/2012 5:01 AM, dechucka wrote:

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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't own a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why don't we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and give all
the crims a better advantage ??".

Guns in general are not licensed for self defense in Australia

That's true and with the increase in armed invasions I reckon it
should be reconsidered.

You really want to walk around in your home all the time with a loaded
gun? Should it be compulsory?

It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

It's not for me to judge but I really think you should get out more.

Of COURSE it's for you to judge. You're the government!

You don't have any problem deciding if someone "needs" a gun, so why
would you have a problem deciding if someone "needs" to get out more?

Isn't that the government's FUNCTION? To decide what we all "need?"

How are we supposed to decide that by ourselves? We're not experts. We
"need" government help.

 

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On Apr 24, 12:30 pm, "dechucka" <dechuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?

The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc

the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming

Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they
have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate
their irrational fear about that particular inanimate object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current
gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is a bit
silly.
Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so licensing should
be
on a needs basis as it is now. One group who should never be allowed to
own
guns imho is the "self defense lobby".


Just wondering why, as adults, people seem to think it to be ok not be
allowed the right to make their own decisions, instead want to pay a
group of officials (mostly corrupt/criminal types who do NOT represent
them) for permission as to whether or not they can own or use
something ?

The far more important point you missed is the perverted and immoral
position that ANYONE who desires to prepare for their defense, or actually
is in NEED of being able to defend themselves somehow makes them "unsuitable
to hold a gun license".
In his perverted world, to him it's far better:
for a woman to be found raped and strangled, that to be standing over
her dead attacker with a smoking gun in her hand.
for someone to hide in fear in their closet, that to meet their stalker
at the door with a loaded gun.
to walk down the street at the mercy of criminals than to go where you
want with the knowledge that a criminal has a good chance of not surviving
if they try to ply their trade on you.

It should be noted that in the US, about 1,500,000 crimes are attempted
annually with a gun, in the illegal possession of a criminal.
IT should also be noted that there are about 2,500,000 DGUs (Defensive Gun
Uses) where an armed law-abiding citizen, avoids being the victim of a
criminal because they are armed.
To chucklehead, it would be far better to have more than 4,000,000 victims
of criminals.

Can ANYONE see the IMMORALITY of that position ?

 

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In news:R5CdnV9Xvrrf-wnSnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@westnet.com.au "dechucka"
dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Haven't seen any long arm massacres since Port Arthur iirc


How many did you see before?

Bert, bert...
To such as dechuckles, that is an irrelevant issue.
Making a false claim of causation to push his gun-control agenda is all
that it takes to justify such a lie.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 4/24/2012 11:56 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

Rheilly Phoull<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

On 4/24/2012 4:28 PM, dechucka wrote:

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On 4/24/2012 5:01 AM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't own a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why don't we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and give all
the crims a better advantage ??".

Guns in general are not licensed for self defense in Australia

That's true and with the increase in armed invasions I reckon it
should be reconsidered.

You really want to walk around in your home all the time with a loaded
gun? Should it be compulsory?

It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

It's not for me to judge but I really think you should get out more.

Of COURSE it's for you to judge. You're the government!

You don't have any problem deciding if someone "needs" a gun, so why
would you have a problem deciding if someone "needs" to get out more?

Isn't that the government's FUNCTION? To decide what we all "need?"

How are we supposed to decide that by ourselves? We're not experts. We
"need" government help.



OK, everybody get out more. That's an order from me, the government.

 

[SaPeIsMa]

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/24/2012 11:56 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
Rheilly Phoull<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

On 4/24/2012 4:28 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/24/2012 5:01 AM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor
Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are
banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the
better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned
immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't own
a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why don't
we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and give
all
the crims a better advantage ??".

Guns in general are not licensed for self defense in Australia

That's true and with the increase in armed invasions I reckon it
should be reconsidered.

You really want to walk around in your home all the time with a
loaded
gun? Should it be compulsory?

It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

It's not for me to judge but I really think you should get out more.

Of COURSE it's for you to judge. You're the government!

You don't have any problem deciding if someone "needs" a gun, so why
would you have a problem deciding if someone "needs" to get out more?

Isn't that the government's FUNCTION? To decide what we all "need?"

How are we supposed to decide that by ourselves? We're not experts. We
"need" government help.



OK, everybody get out more. That's an order from me, the government.

Wait
Give me a moment.
Need to check that my gun is loaded and then put on my holster.
OK. I'm ready..

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 4/25/2012 3:32 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/24/2012 11:56 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
Rheilly Phoull<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

On 4/24/2012 4:28 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/24/2012 5:01 AM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull"<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor
Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are
banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the
better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned
immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I
didn't
own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why
don't we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and
give all
the crims a better advantage ??".

Guns in general are not licensed for self defense in Australia

That's true and with the increase in armed invasions I reckon it
should be reconsidered.

You really want to walk around in your home all the time with a
loaded
gun? Should it be compulsory?

It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they
feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

It's not for me to judge but I really think you should get out more.

Of COURSE it's for you to judge. You're the government!

You don't have any problem deciding if someone "needs" a gun, so why
would you have a problem deciding if someone "needs" to get out more?

Isn't that the government's FUNCTION? To decide what we all "need?"

How are we supposed to decide that by ourselves? We're not experts. We
"need" government help.



OK, everybody get out more. That's an order from me, the government.

Wait
Give me a moment.
Need to check that my gun is loaded and then put on my holster.
OK. I'm ready..


Don't forget the dum dum's !!

 

[Bert]

In news:RMednYlT4vJRlQrSnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@westnet.com.au Rheilly Phoull
<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:

Don't forget the dum dum's !!

Impossible; the newsgroup's full of 'em.

--
bert@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

 

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:31:29 +1000, B J Foster
<bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

On 22/04/2012 10:01 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society (despite the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't own a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't own a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why don't we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and give all the
crims a better advantage ??".

Hey Twevor,
What's your plan for taking the weapons away from the crims?

Notice he doesn't respond......

 

[dechucka]

snip

3) There was NO argument on your part that I ignored
Ergo - NO "ad hominine"

Apparently you're not even smart enough to understand what a ad hom attack

is.

Google is your friend

snip

 

[dechucka]

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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?


The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc


the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming


Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate their irrational fear about that particular inanimate
object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is a
bit silly. Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so
licensing should be on a needs basis as it is now. One group who should
never be allowed to own guns imho is the "self defense lobby".

I see. So you are stating that self defense wouldn't be a legitimate need?

In the vast majority of cases yes and those needs are covered by current
laws

 

[Scout]

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On 4/24/2012 5:01 AM, dechucka wrote:

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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own
a semi-auto.
Then the come for the pump-actions, I didn't speak out, I didn't own
a
pump-action.
Then they come for the handguns, I didn't speak out, I didn't own a
handgun.

I think we all know the rest.


Yeah, what a political knee jerk that one was. "I know, why don't we
take all the licensed weapons 'cause we can find those and give all
the crims a better advantage ??".

Guns in general are not licensed for self defense in Australia

That's true and with the increase in armed invasions I reckon it
should be reconsidered.

You really want to walk around in your home all the time with a loaded
gun? Should it be compulsory?

It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license

Why?

 

[dechucka]

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"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?


The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc


the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming


Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate their irrational fear about that particular inanimate
object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is a
bit silly. Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so
licensing should be on a needs basis as it is now.

Yup
Most people around the world don't "need" guns UNTIL the shit hits the fan
And then it's usually far too late to get guns
Just look at ANY countries history.
Sooner or later the shit will hit the fan, and those who will survive
will usually be those who quickly figure out how to keep the goblins from
killing them.

more and more you are showing yourself to be a wacko. Do you have an "I fear
my Goverement" car sticker

One group who should never be allowed to own guns imho is the "self
defense lobby".

No big surprise that you would believe that.
So you would much prefer to have someone defenseless against a criminal
attack.
How considerate

The problems caused by having the population wandering around outways the
risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun us

I would suggest that you read the material on JPFrg
Start here:
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/about.htm
ANd then go here to read about how successful gun-control has been in the
killing of over 100,000,000 in the previous century
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

But a fatuous fool like you would naturally choose to ignore such with the
false argument that it can not happen where you are.
Go ask the Abos in your backyard, how true that notion is..
They are your prime example of a people who were NOT able to stand up
against the thugs who came to take their land and for all intents and
purposes enslave and destroy them.

You should also ask why the Romans and Greeks defined the difference
between slave and freemen was simply based on who could be armed, and who
could not.

You are a proponent to enslaving yourself, chuckles
How stupid is that ?

It now comes out you are a paranoid gun nutter

Back to your rocking chair and banjo outside side your trailer Boy

 

[dechucka]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 24, 12:30 pm, "dechucka" <dechuc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

"F Murtz" <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?

The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc

the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming

Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they
have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate
their irrational fear about that particular inanimate object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current
gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is a bit
silly.
Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so licensing should
be
on a needs basis as it is now. One group who should never be allowed to
own
guns imho is the "self defense lobby".

Just wondering why, as adults, people seem to think it to be ok not be
allowed the right to make their own decisions, instead want to pay a
group of officials (mostly corrupt/criminal types who do NOT represent
them) for permission as to whether or not they can own or use
something ?

------------------------------------------------------

I don't know it is just that society seems to work better with some rules.

 

[dechucka]

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On 24/04/2012 6:28 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/24/2012 5:01 AM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 3:35 PM, dechucka wrote:

"Rheilly Phoull" <rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote in message
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On 4/22/2012 7:30 AM, John-Melb wrote:
On Apr 22, 4:33 am, Trevor Wilson<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**No, we do not. Handguns are unnecessary in modern society
(despite
the
delusions that afflict your good wife). The sooner they are banned
completely and possession laws can then be stengthened, the
better.
Naturally, semi-auto and auto handguns must be banned immediately.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

With apologies to the Reverend Neimoller.

First they come for the semi-auto's, I didn't speak out, I didn't
own



It should be up to the individual to have that choice should they feel
the need.

No it shouldn't because by feeling the need they automatically show
themselves to unsuitable to hold a gun license
Liar , the desire to protect ones self and family IS the very reason to
own small arms , passing a fair test for carry is terribly difficult and
determines well that the permit holder is reliable and safe in ownership

So those who don't pass this test don't have the right to protect their
families? That is sick. Kid down my way nearly got abducted should he have
the right to carry for protection? Come on it is all in if guns are for
protection

 

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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?


The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc


the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming


Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate their irrational fear about that particular inanimate
object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is
a bit silly. Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so
licensing should be on a needs basis as it is now. One group who should
never be allowed to own guns imho is the "self defense lobby".

I see. So you are stating that self defense wouldn't be a legitimate
need?

In the vast majority of cases yes and those needs are covered by current
laws

I see....so in the vast numbers of cases in which someone is legitimately in
fear for their lives or serious injury....nothing happens?

Somehow, I doubt that is the case.

 

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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?


The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc


the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming


Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate their irrational fear about that particular inanimate
object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is
a bit silly. Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so
licensing should be on a needs basis as it is now.

Yup
Most people around the world don't "need" guns UNTIL the shit hits the
fan
And then it's usually far too late to get guns
Just look at ANY countries history.
Sooner or later the shit will hit the fan, and those who will survive
will usually be those who quickly figure out how to keep the goblins from
killing them.

more and more you are showing yourself to be a wacko. Do you have an "I
fear my Goverement" car sticker



One group who should never be allowed to own guns imho is the "self
defense lobby".

No big surprise that you would believe that.
So you would much prefer to have someone defenseless against a criminal
attack.
How considerate

The problems caused by having the population wandering around outways the
risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun us

Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.

----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of it here.

 

[dechucka]

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dechucka wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dechucka wrote:
Would pre Howard gun laws done anything to stop the current
violence?


The current ones have not, so why were they changed?

You forgot to answer the question. Haven't seen any long arm
massacres
since Port Arthur iirc


the total homicides are not decreasing by any appreciable amount.

keep squirming


Don't need to, statistics beats phobic paranoid rhetoric.

Main statistic is no massacres using long arms since Port Arther,
rather
destroys your pov don't you think

people who seem to think that removal of the method of homicide that
they have a phobia about without altering the total homicides just
demonstrate their irrational fear about that particular inanimate
object.
What we have to do as a people is concentrate on the real causes of
homicide not what is used to commit them.

I totally agree with you. As a gun owner I am happy enough with the
current gun law but actually think that the "ban" on semi automatics is
a bit silly. Lets face it most people in Australia don't need guns so
licensing should be on a needs basis as it is now. One group who should
never be allowed to own guns imho is the "self defense lobby".

I see. So you are stating that self defense wouldn't be a legitimate
need?

In the vast majority of cases yes and those needs are covered by current
laws

I see....so in the vast numbers of cases in which someone is legitimately
in fear for their lives or serious injury....nothing happens?

Yep

 

[dechucka]

The problems caused by having the population wandering around outways the
risks of an individual benefiting from defensive gun us

Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.

----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for all of it here.

US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and death by gunshot