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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution
states

However, he is wrong. There is no requirement for militia membership for
the right to keep and bear arms. Yes, the Second Amendment addresses the
state militias (the national militia is addressed in ArtI(8)(16)) but
what it is is a statement that gives *a* reason for the protection of
that right.

I agree and understand that the courts have taken a very liberal view of
what a militia is

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+512+2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense, you
have effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making
it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

What a limped-dicked attempt to change the subject

that is what this part of the thread is discussing


hard to get to a gun and ammo that are locked away during an emergency
Apparently to moronic chuckleheads like you the solution is to ask the
crim to "wait a mo.., while I get my gun and ammo out, load up, and then
am able to defend myself".

Your claim is incorrect as is your data on crime rates in Aus, cite given
'

you're a stupid and willfully ignorant parrot
Stupid

 

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Too bad you are unable to repudiate ANY of the facts that have been
provided so far

supply some and I'll repudiate them

Keep dancing shithead

no facts?

yes shithead, you have not facts
Just willful ignorance

 

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The problems caused by having the population wandering
around outways the risks of an individual benefiting from
defensive gun us

Ok....let's see your evidence for that then.

----> Insert facts, figures, other evidence, and cites for
all of it here.

US verses Australia overall homicide rate and injury and
death
by gunshot

Sorry, at best that establishes a correlation, and a cherry
picked one at that.

Let's throw Mexico in there and see if your claims hold up.

Why do you want to compare the US to some 3rd world shithole

Because you claim it's all about the gun control. As such it
shouldn't matter what sort of country it is.

Are you saying your theories only work if you cherry pick the
countries?

But since you want to use 1st world countries...

Then let's compare to South Africa then.

It's a first world nation with strict gun control and another
example of the wonderfully low murder rates you claim always
results from that.

Classic cherry picking on your part. You seem to enjoy the
exceptions not the norms


It's no more cherry-picking than you trying to cherry-pick with
Australia or Canada
In this case, South Africa, as a First-World country, CLEARLY
counters your objection to Mexico.
It also CLEARLY blows out your claim that gun-laws will make you
safer You can also use Switzerland or Finland, 2 other
First-World
countries with loose gun laws and low crime and homicide rates.

much much tighter than the US's

Repeating that false comparison is just proof you lie.

Comparing Australia and Switzerland shows that Switzerland HAS FAR
LESS Crime than AUSTRALIA

so

And in Australia, militia members do NOT keep FULL AUTO ASSAULT
RIFLES + AMMO in their houses.

under strict controls unlike in the US



Not many US households have full auto assault rifles in them.


And NO ONE in the services has one issued to them to take home, that
I know of..

so?

Fuck off stupid

you've lost it haven't you?

Nope
But I have demonstrated you both stupid and ignorant

and you're now delusional

snip

DO the world a favor and snip yourself
That would immediately increase the average IQ for the planet by a couple of
points

 

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I gave you the cite please read it and learn something


Actually, YOU DID NOT
You gave some second-hand opinion piece in a leftist rag

who cited the information, please read it and learn something


I read it and there was nothing to lean from that "opinion piece"

none so blind etc

Indeed you are a perfect example of that

 

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution states

You're a fucking ignoramus who can't read for comprehension
The only thing that "sucks" around here is the vacuum between your ears

 

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution
states

However, he is wrong. There is no requirement for militia membership for
the right to keep and bear arms. Yes, the Second Amendment addresses the
state militias (the national militia is addressed in ArtI(8)(16)) but
what it is is a statement that gives *a* reason for the protection of
that right.

I agree and understand that the courts have taken a very liberal view of
what a militia is

No they have not
That's just YOUR ignorant (as usual) interpretation

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help much.

but not really needed in Aus and the consequences of "carry for
protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in.
Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun use in the US,
one figure put around is 2.5 million per year but the crimes that led to
guns being drawn don't seem to be reported to the authorities

How do you know?

Cite your study.

 

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution
states

However, he is wrong. There is no requirement for militia membership for
the right to keep and bear arms. Yes, the Second Amendment addresses the
state militias (the national militia is addressed in ArtI(8)(16)) but
what it is is a statement that gives *a* reason for the protection of
that right.

I agree and understand that the courts have taken a very liberal view of
what a militia is

Really? So what exactly do you think a militia is?

 

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you have epilepsy

And you're fool enough to imagine that is a funny comment.

Better to have a fool believe I allegedly have epilepsy,
than an alleged epileptic know you're a fool !

sorry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonian_seizure

It's about time you clowns shut this one down !!

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port
Arthur, things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making
it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns
in Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help
much.

but not really needed in Aus

Ahhhh, no one is ever murdered or a victim of violent crime in OZ?
Methinks you are full of shit.

and the consequences of "carry for

protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in.

What mess is that?

Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun use in the
US, one figure put around is 2.5 million per year but the crimes that
led to guns being drawn don't seem to be reported to the authorities

You can look at Gary Kleck's study.....that is where the .25 million number
comes from.
You can look at the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Study) it comes up
with 80,000 to 108,000 per year and never asks about DGUs.
You can also look at the following surveys:

Field 1976 3,052,717
Burdua 1977 1,414,544
DM1a 1978 2,141,512
DM1b 1978 1,098,409
Hart 1981 1,797,461
Ohio 1982 771,043
Mauser 1990 1,487,342
Gallup 1991 777,153
Gallup 1993 1,621,682
LA Times 1994 3,609,682
Tarrance 1994 764,036

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snip

Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg
+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port
Arthur, things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self
defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making
it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using
that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most
guns in Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry
one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help
much.

but not really needed in Aus and the consequences of "carry for
protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in.
Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun use in
the US, one figure put around is 2.5 million per year but the crimes
that led to guns being drawn don't seem to be reported to the
authorities

How do you know?

Cite your study.

Many of them would not be.......when the scab fled, the incident was
over. Plus there other reasons why they aren't reported. Delaying your
trip........etc...

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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will
last if the turn on the very people they are supposed to
protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be
able to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that
for centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the
Winter War. Tell that to the Americans who did that to the
Brits at the beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their
revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to
recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious


Well, the difference is mostly demographics. Think that might have
a
tad to do with the differences?

I agree with you that there are differences but are you suggesting
that demographically the US is closer to Mexico than Canada?


Many parts of it are. Most of the US doesn't have a heavy duty
problem
with crime. Problem is that you only need to be a victim once to die.


that is not true of being a victim in Aus

What isn't true? They don't die? It takes more than once?

Please be specific or don't bother responding.

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution
states

However, he is wrong. There is no requirement for militia membership
for the right to keep and bear arms. Yes, the Second Amendment
addresses the state militias (the national militia is addressed in
ArtI(8)(16)) but what it is is a statement that gives *a* reason for
the protection of that right.

I agree and understand that the courts have taken a very liberal view
of what a militia is

Actually, the militia is defined in federal and state statutes. Here is
the federal definition of its militia. It is in 10 USC 311:

CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-MISC1-
Sec.
311. Militia: composition and classes.
312. Militia duty: exemptions.

-CITE-
10 USC Sec. 311
01/03/2012 (112-90)

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-HEAD-
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

-SOURCE-
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85-861, Sec. 1(7),
Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103-160, div. A, title V,
Sec. 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

Now, the different states may have different definitions of their state
militias but, in general, they will agree with the federal statute.



Additionally, our Supreme Court has said that militia membership is NOT
required and has nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms.

Here is their statement in DC v Heller:

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp.
2–53.

(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but
does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative
clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation
of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically
capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists
feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to
disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a
select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to
abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that
the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-
bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately
followed the Second Amendment . Pp. 28–30.

(d) The Second Amendment ’s drafting history, while of dubious
interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that
unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.

(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts
and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late
19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.


Hope this helps.

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port Arthur,
things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making it
IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns in
Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help much.

but not really needed in Aus and the consequences of "carry for
protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in.
Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun use in the
US, one figure put around is 2.5 million per year but the crimes that led
to guns being drawn don't seem to be reported to the authorities

How do you know?

Cite your study.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/kleckandgertz1.htm

http://www.bmsg.org/pdfs/myths.pdf

happy reading

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port
Arthur, things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making
it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most guns
in Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help
much.

but not really needed in Aus

Ahhhh, no one is ever murdered or a victim of violent crime in OZ?
Methinks you are full of shit.

and the consequences of "carry for
protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in.

What mess is that?

Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun use in the
US, one figure put around is 2.5 million per year but the crimes that
led to guns being drawn don't seem to be reported to the authorities

You can look at Gary Kleck's study.....that is where the .25 million
number
comes from.
You can look at the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Study) it comes up
with 80,000 to 108,000 per year and never asks about DGUs.
You can also look at the following surveys:

Field 1976 3,052,717
Burdua 1977 1,414,544
DM1a 1978 2,141,512
DM1b 1978 1,098,409
Hart 1981 1,797,461
Ohio 1982 771,043
Mauser 1990 1,487,342
Gallup 1991 777,153
Gallup 1993 1,621,682
LA Times 1994 3,609,682
Tarrance 1994 764,036

so it isn't really that big a safeguard

 

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I think the armed forces given their experience may know
about these
dangers

They may know about them, but since they rely on the local
suppliers to supply them, how long do you think they will
last if the turn on the very people they are supposed to
protect ?

come on a capitalist society like the US they'll always be
able to buy supplies

From whom?

How will they get it to where it is needed?

Do you think they can protect EVERYTHING 24/7/365?

I think they stand a better chance than some comparatively
lightly lightly armed militia

LOL
Tell that to the Swiss who have successfully done exactly that
for centuries
Tell that to the Fins when the stood up the Soviets in the
Winter War. Tell that to the Americans who did that to the
Brits at the beginning of their Revolution.
Tell that to Castro in Cuba
Tell that to the Costa Ricans in 2 if not 3 of their
revolutions.

do you want to go through the differences

Why don't you start with the similarities, moron.

there aren't any

Actually they are, but clearly you're not smart enough to
recognize
them

coming from a bloke who compares the US with Mexico but discounts
Canada that is hilarious


Well, the difference is mostly demographics. Think that might have
a
tad to do with the differences?

I agree with you that there are differences but are you suggesting
that demographically the US is closer to Mexico than Canada?


Many parts of it are. Most of the US doesn't have a heavy duty
problem
with crime. Problem is that you only need to be a victim once to die.


that is not true of being a victim in Aus



What isn't true? They don't die? It takes more than once?

because the most crime in Aus does not result in death. If you get killed it
is most likely by someone you know using something readily on hand

Please be specific or don't bother responding.

 

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Too bad you are unable to repudiate ANY of the facts that have been
provided so far

supply some and I'll repudiate them

Keep dancing shithead

no facts?



yes shithead, you have not facts
Just willful ignorance

comprehension not your strong point banjo boy?

 

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Isn't the 2nd amendment all about the militia ;-)

Get back under your rock you stupid troll

it is isn't it

Get back under your rock, you stupid AND ignorant troll.

must suck for an aussie to point out to you what your constitution
states

However, he is wrong. There is no requirement for militia membership
for
the right to keep and bear arms. Yes, the Second Amendment addresses
the
state militias (the national militia is addressed in ArtI(8)(16)) but
what it is is a statement that gives *a* reason for the protection of
that right.

I agree and understand that the courts have taken a very liberal view of
what a militia is

No they have not

yes they have

That's just YOUR ignorant (as usual) interpretation

no that is the courts.

Must suck to have an Aussie telling you about the constitution as you are to
ignorant
>

 

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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with vague
generalizations.

that is specific as one can get

I'll accept that as an admission you don't know

as a gun owner I do and those are the laws

fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordle
g+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N

LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post Port
Arthur, things have gotten worse.

have they?

Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning
most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).

I'll stop there because that statement is BS

Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self
defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by making
it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for using
that
gun
defensively.


it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia, most
guns in Aus were not banned post 1996

While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to carry
one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.

correct in all but very limited cases

With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't help
much.

but not really needed in Aus

Ahhhh, no one is ever murdered or a victim of violent crime in OZ?
Methinks you are full of shit.

and the consequences of "carry for
protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are in.

What mess is that?

Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun use in
the US, one figure put around is 2.5 million per year but the crimes
that led to guns being drawn don't seem to be reported to the
authorities

You can look at Gary Kleck's study.....that is where the .25 million
number
comes from.
You can look at the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Study) it
comes up with 80,000 to 108,000 per year and never asks about DGUs.
You can also look at the following surveys:

Field 1976 3,052,717
Burdua 1977 1,414,544
DM1a 1978 2,141,512
DM1b 1978 1,098,409
Hart 1981 1,797,461
Ohio 1982 771,043
Mauser 1990 1,487,342
Gallup 1991 777,153
Gallup 1993 1,621,682
LA Times 1994 3,609,682
Tarrance 1994 764,036

so it isn't really that big a safeguard

Oh, I don't know. I would much rather be part of those in the surveys
above than one of the 10-12,000 who die from some street scab with a gun.

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It's too bad the people who really know how to run this
country are so busy cutting hair and driving taxis!!

George Burns


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)