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[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 03:05:09 -0400:

Have the teacher example dat ass every time it comes
back, and if there are any letters missing, apply
the board of education to the seat of wisdom.

It's funny, but, apparently the teacher didn't want to tell me
that the spray-painted letters didn't last a week at the school.

She thought I would be upset.

I took it as a challenge, to see if I could keep a bunch of
high-school hoodlums at bay. You can't defeat them, but, you can
make it hard for them.

So, with the letters now deeply routered (is that a verb?), and
the knife marks in the back sanded out, and the back painted black
so that the gang graffiti is covered, I think I just made it
a bit harder for them to vandalize it.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3950/15018893163_fa337967da_b.jpg

Of course, the teacher told me they unscrewed her desk and hid it
two classes down the hall, so, they're formidable opponents.

But, they are kids, after all, and so, I hope that by the end of the
year, I'll have a system (titanium perhaps?) that they can't deface!

 

[Danny D.]

RobertMacy wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 05:38:54 -0700:

More likely, these children are raised without any concept of
accountability.

I think it's a small percentage of the overall class, and, I think,
over time, this dissatisfied percentage falls out of the system,
either as dropouts, or failures.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 10/27/2014 4:19 AM, Danny D. wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 03:05:09 -0400:

Have the teacher example dat ass every time it comes
back, and if there are any letters missing, apply
the board of education to the seat of wisdom.

It's funny, but, apparently the teacher didn't want to tell me
that the spray-painted letters didn't last a week at the school.

She thought I would be upset.

I took it as a challenge, to see if I could keep a bunch of
high-school hoodlums at bay. You can't defeat them, but, you can
make it hard for them.

So, with the letters now deeply routered (is that a verb?), and
the knife marks in the back sanded out, and the back painted black
so that the gang graffiti is covered, I think I just made it
a bit harder for them to vandalize it.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3950/15018893163_fa337967da_b.jpg

Of course, the teacher told me they unscrewed her desk and hid it
two classes down the hall, so, they're formidable opponents.

But, they are kids, after all, and so, I hope that by the end of the
year, I'll have a system (titanium perhaps?) that they can't deface!

Ideally, the kids are supposed to be learning obedience
to law, and some other things like that. If they are
defacing the potty pass, maybe they can hold it till
class is over? Are these illegal non citizens who started
their visit to our country by violating the border laws?

I'm not encouraged when our border agencies permit such
incredible disrespect for law.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/25/suspect-in-killing-of-two-california-sheriffs-deputies-was-twice-deported-to-mexico/

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

 

[RobertMacy]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 05:05:51 -0700, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61@hotmail.com>
wrote:

..snip....

Ideally, the kids are supposed to be learning obedience
to law, and some other things like that. If they are
defacing the potty pass, maybe they can hold it till
class is over? Are these illegal non citizens who started
their visit to our country by violating the border laws?

I'm not encouraged when our border agencies permit such
incredible disrespect for law.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/25/suspect-in-killing-of-two-california-sheriffs-deputies-was-twice-deported-to-mexico/

-
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Historically, [may be urban myth] first generation border crossing people
make better citizens than residents.

More likely, these children are raised without any concept of
accountability. The thought process is that any action that is not
'caught' is allowed, simply by definition. There is no higher concept of
accountability. No love of righteousness. They are actually 'practicing'
the principles they'll use in adulthood by emulating the examples
constantly being shown to them by the 'adults' who should know better.

 

[Oren]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:19:38 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

But, they are kids, after all, and so, I hope that by the end of the
year, I'll have a system (titanium perhaps?) that they can't deface!

8" Ball and Chain

- Made of Metal with an Iron Chain
- Ball Is about 8" in Diameter
- Chain Is about 26" Long - Shackle Is about 3.5" Wide

<https://tinyurl.com/naeexp4>

But get a "real" one
--
Somtimes you just have a bad day at the dungeon

 

[Oren]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

RobertMacy wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 05:38:54 -0700:

More likely, these children are raised without any concept of
accountability.

I think it's a small percentage of the overall class, and, I think,
over time, this dissatisfied percentage falls out of the system,
either as dropouts, or failures.

Use this for a pass:

<http://www.centaurforge.com/images/EMERSON50%20100_3471.jpg>
--
Somtimes you just have a bad day at the dungeon

 

[Danny D.]

Oren wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:23:28 -0700:

Use this for a pass:

http://www.centaurforge.com/images/EMERSON50%20100_3471.jpg

I'll betcha they won't (can't) deface that!

 

[Danny D.]

Oren wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:40:21 -0700:

Tell those little heathens, Oren will come to class and teach then how
to make little rocks out of big rocks.

The teacher told me most of the really bad kids have been suspended
by now.

I guess there's no way to not leave a child behind when they *want*
to be left behind.

I think, in California, they can be emancipated at something like 16,
which is the age these kids are around.

 

[Danny D.]

Oren wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:16:36 -0700:

I left school at 16. Quit when I had the earliest chance. It really
wasn't the place for me. I moved out of our home too, went out into
the world and made my bones, retired at age 50 and have no regrets.
IMHO some kids should not be in government mandated skewls, er,
schools.

I'm sorry about that Oren. Unless you're happy about it. School isn't
for all kids, especially the kind of kid who likes to do it his own
way, and the ones who don't like sitting down at a desk for 180 days
in a row.

 

[Oren]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:16:08 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

Oren wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:23:28 -0700:

Use this for a pass:

http://www.centaurforge.com/images/EMERSON50%20100_3471.jpg

I'll betcha they won't (can't) deface that!

Tell those little heathens, Oren will come to class and teach then how
to make little rocks out of big rocks.
--
Somtimes you just have a bad day at the dungeon

 

[Oren]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:48:28 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

Oren wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:40:21 -0700:

Tell those little heathens, Oren will come to class and teach then how
to make little rocks out of big rocks.

The teacher told me most of the really bad kids have been suspended
by now.

I guess there's no way to not leave a child behind when they *want*
to be left behind.

I think, in California, they can be emancipated at something like 16,
which is the age these kids are around.

I left school at 16. Quit when I had the earliest chance. It really
wasn't the place for me. I moved out of our home too, went out into
the world and made my bones, retired at age 50 and have no regrets.
IMHO some kids should not be in government mandated skewls, er,
schools.

 

[J Burns]

On 10/27/14, 8:16 PM, Oren wrote:

I left school at 16. Quit when I had the earliest chance. It really
wasn't the place for me. I moved out of our home too, went out into
the world and made my bones, retired at age 50 and have no regrets.
IMHO some kids should not be in government mandated skewls, er,
schools.

My best day at school came when I was 15. It was English class. I tore
open a ream of paper and tossed it out the third-floor window. The wind
scattered the sheets like tickertape, all over the huge lawn. It was
the most beautiful sight I'd ever seen.

The teacher told me to pick it up. I felt like Br'er Rabbit: "Don't
throw me in the briar patch!" It was great! I wished I'd been allowed
to spend all day every day out picking up papers, from the time I was 5.

I had another good day at 17 when I whipped out my toothbrush and
toothpaste and started brushing my teeth in Calculus. The teacher
turned pale and stood over my desk menacing me with karate chops and
karate kicks. Then he took me to The Office.

I thought it was turning into a bad day because if the principal
misunderstood the situation, that could tarnish my reputation. When he
sentenced me to 5 days' detention, I saw he was doing his best not to
bust out laughing, so I knew my sterling reputation was safe. I loved
detention. It was the only class where teachers kept their mouths shut.

That teacher didn't even know Calculus. Every day, I had to sit and
listen to him talk about how he adored Adolf Hitler.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

J Burns wrote:

On 10/27/14, 8:16 PM, Oren wrote:


I left school at 16. Quit when I had the earliest chance. It really
wasn't the place for me. I moved out of our home too, went out into
the world and made my bones, retired at age 50 and have no regrets.
IMHO some kids should not be in government mandated skewls, er,
schools.

My best day at school came when I was 15. It was English class. I tore
open a ream of paper and tossed it out the third-floor window. The wind
scattered the sheets like tickertape, all over the huge lawn. It was
the most beautiful sight I'd ever seen.

The teacher told me to pick it up. I felt like Br'er Rabbit: "Don't
throw me in the briar patch!" It was great! I wished I'd been allowed
to spend all day every day out picking up papers, from the time I was 5.

I had another good day at 17 when I whipped out my toothbrush and
toothpaste and started brushing my teeth in Calculus. The teacher
turned pale and stood over my desk menacing me with karate chops and
karate kicks. Then he took me to The Office.

I thought it was turning into a bad day because if the principal
misunderstood the situation, that could tarnish my reputation. When he
sentenced me to 5 days' detention, I saw he was doing his best not to
bust out laughing, so I knew my sterling reputation was safe. I loved
detention. It was the only class where teachers kept their mouths shut.

That teacher didn't even know Calculus. Every day, I had to sit and
listen to him talk about how he adored Adolf Hitler.

One of mine was walking down the hallway, past open classroom doors
while carrying the front of a wall locker under my arm. The looks were
priceless! The school board's maintenance crew was going to order a new
panel of three doors because of broken spot welds. I told them to let
me take it to the metal shop, to repair it so three kids wouldn't be
without lockers for weeks. I brought it back 15 minutes later, with
some nice burn marks in the ugly brown paint. The other kids gave me
strange looks for months after that.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Oren]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:39:33 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

Oren wrote, on Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:16:36 -0700:

I left school at 16. Quit when I had the earliest chance. It really
wasn't the place for me. I moved out of our home too, went out into
the world and made my bones, retired at age 50 and have no regrets.
IMHO some kids should not be in government mandated skewls, er,
schools.

I'm sorry about that Oren. Unless you're happy about it. School isn't
for all kids, especially the kind of kid who likes to do it his own
way, and the ones who don't like sitting down at a desk for 180 days
in a row.

I was told I would be drafted and it did happen, I went early by
unsung my draft notice. IOW I enjoyed some time before any chance
that I would killed in a war that was controlled by politicians.

I went back to school when I later became interested

 

[Danny D.]

John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom management
is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose schools.

One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall pass
is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.

We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other times,
but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other friends,
if they're clever).

What the pass does, first and foremost, is it discourages such intents.
Also, it allows the teacher to continue teaching, uninterrupted, as
the students just get up, grab the pass, and return, unannounced.

It also is very clear to everyone, what the purpose of the kid is,
whether grabbing the pass or walking the hallways. It's also not
something they can leave hidden in the hallway while they surreptitiously
run a'muck about the hallways or outdoors to catch a smoke or whatever.

Likewise, it prevents multiple kids (from the same classroom anyway)
leaving the room at any one time.

Furthermore, it's obvious to all whether the bathroom pass is in use or
not. It's like the red sign on an airplane bathroom door showing it's in
use, rather than what we have to do at a McDonalds, which is to jiggle
the doorknob repeatedly to find out if someone is in there.

And, being so large (on purpose), the kids, who almost certainly don't
like it, can't lose it easily.

At the very least, it's objectionable to carry (as you noted), which
would further discourage the unnecessary potty breaks.

Rest assured, this teacher has at least one kid a day out of her 200,
walk out on the class without excuse. She has kids banging on the table,
and calling her a b*ch, and plenty of disciplinary problems, all of which
are common through all the classes, as she told me most of these kids are
being weeded out of the system through their behavior in *all* their
classes.

I also find this behavior strange, as *my* kids have always had comments
on their report cards of "very polite", "always helpful", "pitches in to
volunteer every time I ask", and even once "raises hand to answer
questions too often!".

Heh heh ... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree ...

The good old days were certainly different, but they weren't necessarily
always that good. Still, if this is how our educators are now treating
our kids, what should we expect from the kids?

I think this teacher, who is brand new, is learning on the job. In
California, they go through 3 semesters of graduate training, to obtain a
preliminary teaching certificate, two semesters of which have on-the-job
training of sorts.

Then, they're thrown to the wolves for 2 more years, until they get their
preliminary teaching certificate cleared. At that point, they also get
tenure (which is kind'a soon, if you ask me), and then they're bona-fide
teachers.

The clearance process, apparently, starts with three weeks of training on
"classroom management", which I found odd when I saw that it's the
*first* thing they re-train the preliminary-credentialed teachers on.

I'm afraid she needs a kind of help that can't be found in a wood shop.
Clearly she is in the wrong profession, and a big chunk of wood is not
going to change that. Foolishness, yes. But it makes me a little sad for
the kids.

Out of 200 kids that she has, she estimated, to me, that about 10% are
the ones using the bathroom pass constantly. The rest sit and listen.

You have to remember these are Algebra classes, where probably only a
small percentage of the kids (maybe 1/3?) actually care to learn it. It's
a required class for the rest, which they hope to never see again during
the rest of their lives.

When is the last time you or I graphed a quadratic equation, for example?
Could each of us solve a binomial equation to save our lives?
(Building suspension bridges in the redwoods notwithstanding...
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7532/15647694115_c6aaeda78c_c.jpg

 

[Mike Marlow]

Danny D. wrote:

John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom
management is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose
schools.

Well - that's a big part of your problem. Rather than teaching kids things,
parents and teachers rally around excuses for what the things exist. I wish
you the best - deal with the problems you are creating.


> One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

Brilliant! Shear stupidity - so why shouldn't everyone else follow suit?

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall
pass is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.

Brain dead thinking. But that's fine - do that kind of thinking where you
live. What in the hell do you really think you are solving with this kind
of approach?

We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other
times, but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of
jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other
friends, if they're clever).

You just keep on letting those kids outsmart you. I'm sure you'll win that
way...

What the pass does, first and foremost, is it discourages such
intents.

Bullshit! Are you and the teachers at that school that stupid as to really
believe this? If so - muck in your own mire.

Also, it allows the teacher to continue teaching,
uninterrupted, as
the students just get up, grab the pass, and return, unannounced.

Really? Do you even think about the things like this that you post?

It also is very clear to everyone, what the purpose of the kid is,
whether grabbing the pass or walking the hallways. It's also not
something they can leave hidden in the hallway while they
surreptitiously run a'muck about the hallways or outdoors to catch a
smoke or whatever.

Dear Parent...

Likewise, it prevents multiple kids (from the same classroom anyway)
leaving the room at any one time.

Really? The high paid teacher is this dumb as to not be aware of this
syndrome? Really?

Furthermore, it's obvious to all whether the bathroom pass is in use
or not. It's like the red sign on an airplane bathroom door showing
it's in use, rather than what we have to do at a McDonalds, which is
to jiggle the doorknob repeatedly to find out if someone is in there.

Yeah - when I was a kid I had a really hard time understanding a locked
door - are you really this stupid? How about facilities that accomodate 4
kids at once - where does that fit into your foolish thinking?

And, being so large (on purpose), the kids, who almost certainly don't
like it, can't lose it easily.

Oh man - that just can't be anymore stupid.

At the very least, it's objectionable to carry (as you noted), which
would further discourage the unnecessary potty breaks.

Really? What in the hell is the problem you are looking to solve? I think
you have a California mindset which just does not think at all.

Rest assured, this teacher has at least one kid a day out of her 200,
walk out on the class without excuse.

Really? Then fire the teacher. That is her or his responsibility to make
sure that kind of thing does not happen. Screw the 200 number - that's a
classic over-exageration - how many students in any one class session? The
total number is completely meaningless.

She has kids banging on the
table, and calling her a b*ch, and plenty of disciplinary problems,
all of which are common through all the classes, as she told me most
of these kids are being weeded out of the system through their
behavior in *all* their classes.

Guess you guys need to improve your school disciplines and forget looking at
magic tokens like stupid wood fobs for a key to the boys room. Do you
really belive that is going to fix the problems you guys have created in
your schools? Really? Are you really that dumb?

I also find this behavior strange, as *my* kids have always had
comments on their report cards of "very polite", "always helpful",
"pitches in to volunteer every time I ask", and even once "raises
hand to answer questions too often!".

Good for you! That's what is necessary - not stupid fobs.

I think this teacher, who is brand new, is learning on the job. In
California, they go through 3 semesters of graduate training, to
obtain a preliminary teaching certificate, two semesters of which
have on-the-job training of sorts.

Kudos to you for trying to help a new teacher but don't you see that the
problem is so much bigger than that?

Then, they're thrown to the wolves for 2 more years, until they get
their preliminary teaching certificate cleared. At that point, they
also get tenure (which is kind'a soon, if you ask me), and then
they're bona-fide teachers.

Well - you might want to take the problem up with your school district. You
guys created the problem and stupid ideas like wooden fobs is not going to
fix that problem.

The clearance process, apparently, starts with three weeks of
training on "classroom management", which I found odd when I saw that
it's the *first* thing they re-train the preliminary-credentialed
teachers on.

Oh well...

You have to remember these are Algebra classes, where probably only a
small percentage of the kids (maybe 1/3?) actually care to learn it.
It's a required class for the rest, which they hope to never see
again during the rest of their lives.

We have to remember? Really? Are you that stupid? They are in school.
They are there to learn what they are told to be taught. We have to
remember? I see the very root of this problem...

When is the last time you or I graphed a quadratic equation, for
example? Could each of us solve a binomial equation to save our lives?
(Building suspension bridges in the redwoods notwithstanding...

Competely irrelevent! We did do it when we were in school. What does it
matter at all when the last time was that we did it. I'll tell you that I
have used that knowledge throughout my life - though it may not have been on
a daily basis - but when I needed it, I could call on it. You are making
excuses for dumbing down our already stupid kids even more?

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 10/30/2014 12:20 PM, Danny D. wrote:

She has kids banging on the table,
and calling her a b*ch, and plenty of disciplinary problems, all of which
are common through all the classes, as she told me most of these kids are
being weeded out of the system through their behavior in *all* their
classes.

I've suspected since the beginning that the
bathroom pass is just a bandaid on a larger
problem. This supports my guess.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Danny D." wrote:

John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom management
is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose schools.

One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall pass
is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.

We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other times,
but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other friends,
if they're clever).

The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 10/30/2014 12:20 PM, Danny D. wrote:

She has kids banging on the table,
and calling her a b*ch, and plenty of disciplinary problems, all of which
are common through all the classes, as she told me most of these kids are
being weeded out of the system through their behavior in *all* their
classes.


I've suspected since the beginning that the
bathroom pass is just a bandaid on a larger
problem. This supports my guess.

Parents dumping defective kids on the school system.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:23:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

"Danny D." wrote:

John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom management
is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose schools.

One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall pass
is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.

We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other times,
but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other friends,
if they're clever).


The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.

When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.