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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:38:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:34:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


krw@attt.bizz wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It's a lot less disruption to the class. I saw them during the
lasthurricane, when the building was used as a shelter for the
disabled and senior citizens.

Less interruption? How so? When we were in high school (long before)
there were no "bathroom passes". Classes were 50 minutes with 10
minutes between. Young adults were expected to be potty trained.

By letting them get up and use it quickly without interrupting the
class to ask for the pass and the time it took to return it. Some people
have medical problems, and the need arises without much warning.

*Exceedingly* few high school students have such problems. There are
ways to deal with those few. IOW, a red herring.

We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.

Your principal and the entire faculty, in fact, were morons. Maybe
they were just ahead of their time. It also must have been a very
small high school.

1400

That's about the same size as our HS. I can't believe any principal
would be so stupid as to believe classrooms could be emptied, people
jam halls, all mixing on their way to the next class, and file into
the next class in 3 minutes, particularly when the clocks don't work
(ours almost always did - Simplex and IBM, same clocks). Add to that
the "need" for bathroom passes, and he must have been someone current
administrations could look up to.

 

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 08:59:41 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayoung61@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 11/1/2014 8:15 AM, Danny D. wrote:

San Jose high school classes are an
hour and 45 minutes long, which is
double your class periods. On Mondays,
they're very short. About an hour.


That sounds like a lot too long to keep
students at a desk. Half hour to 45 mins
would make more sense. Need to get up and
walk around. I don't think this sounds
practical.

+1

An hour is about all one can expect for an attention span. My son had
classes that went two hours but they were really a combination of two
(English and history, or some the like). They were combined classes
with about twice the size, with two teachers. They had plenty of
breaks and changes of topics during the classes.

Add in the current ADD "epidemic" and it can't work.

 

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 03:12:25 -0400, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:

On 10/31/14, 7:01 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:19:25 -0400, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com
wrote:

On 10/30/14, 10:49 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.

When I was a kid, schools didn't have bathrooms. At home, my mother
made us bathe every week.

OK, Abe. ;-)

Now I remember. Starting around 7th grade, my schools did have
bathrooms. No tubs, just communal showers. It was compulsory to bathe
together twice a week.

Hmm, perhaps you're not Abe. Et tu Brute? ;-)

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

Your principal and the entire faculty, in fact, were morons. Maybe
they were just ahead of their time. It also must have been a very
small high school.

1400

That's about the same size as our HS. I can't believe any principal
would be so stupid as to believe classrooms could be emptied, people
jam halls, all mixing on their way to the next class, and file into
the next class in 3 minutes, particularly when the clocks don't work
(ours almost always did - Simplex and IBM, same clocks). Add to that
the "need" for bathroom passes, and he must have been someone current
administrations could look up to.

He was a liberal loon. You couldn't get from one end of the campus to
the other in three minutes, with the crowded hallways. I averaged 4:15
from science class, to electronics, then 4:00 back to the new wing for
the next class.


This was an IBM clock system, but parts of it were over 50 years old.
The oldest part of the school was built in the 1800s.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

J Burns wrote:

On 10/31/14, 7:34 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.

Our school had a Western Union clock system governed by a grandfather
clock in the office. Occasionally we'd see classroom clocks jump because
the principal was adjusting the grandfather clock.

I believed in punctuality, being neither late nor early. I'd generally
reach my desk 10 seconds before the bell. All we had at home was a 3"
electric clock on the stove. That couldn't be read precisely, so I
relied on my internal clock.

Sometimes on a Monday morning I'd be 10 seconds late instead of 10
seconds early. I couldn't reset my internal clock on the principal's
whim, so I'd be 10 seconds late every day. By Friday, teachers would be
complaining about my continuing presence in detention. The principal
would fix his clock and Monday the school would be back in sync with me.

He could have saved detention teachers a lot of unpleasantness if he'd
checked with me or the Naval Observatory before tampering with the
grandfather clock.

That situation didn't last. Everyone was pissed off about it, and I'm
sure that the school board heard from a lot of parents over it.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Danny D.]

Bill wrote, on Sat, 01 Nov 2014 18:19:12 -0400:

Even an hour is a long time for students to listen to a lecture. One
secret to making it work is to include some group activity such as a
worksheet, so that the students are not just (not) listening to a
lecture.

I did help her create some worksheets, as she was unfamiliar with
manipulating Microsoft Office to make graphs.

I ended up making tables, and it took a while to figure out how to make
the boxes the same with and length, and then how to add the x and y axis,
as I couldn't get the tables to "group" with the drawn axis even myself.

In the end, I gave up on Microsoft Word simply because I couldn't get the
non-groupable items to move together, as a single unit, when text was
changed.

So, I opted for PowerPoint, instead of Word, and made a few templates for
her for her worksheets. She put the kids in groups, and they moved the
chairs together (forcing them to stand up) and they worked together.

That gives the kids "some" exercise.

 

[John Grossbohlin]

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message news:1P45w.55721$uw3.5982@fx10.iad...

That sounds like a lot too long to keep
students at a desk. Half hour to 45 mins
would make more sense. Need to get up and
walk around. I don't think this sounds
practical.

Along those lines...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/10/24/teacher-spends-two-days-as-a-student-and-is-shocked-at-what-she-learned/?wpisrc=pdwmk

Saw this article in other publications too...

 

[J Burns]

On 11/1/14, 6:30 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

J Burns wrote:

On 10/31/14, 7:34 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.

Our school had a Western Union clock system governed by a grandfather
clock in the office. Occasionally we'd see classroom clocks jump because
the principal was adjusting the grandfather clock.

I believed in punctuality, being neither late nor early. I'd generally
reach my desk 10 seconds before the bell. All we had at home was a 3"
electric clock on the stove. That couldn't be read precisely, so I
relied on my internal clock.

Sometimes on a Monday morning I'd be 10 seconds late instead of 10
seconds early. I couldn't reset my internal clock on the principal's
whim, so I'd be 10 seconds late every day. By Friday, teachers would be
complaining about my continuing presence in detention. The principal
would fix his clock and Monday the school would be back in sync with me.

He could have saved detention teachers a lot of unpleasantness if he'd
checked with me or the Naval Observatory before tampering with the
grandfather clock.


That situation didn't last. Everyone was pissed off about it, and I'm
sure that the school board heard from a lot of parents over it.

I guess we had three minutes, with synchronized clocks. Nobody stayed
after class to ask the teacher a question because there wasn't time. I
didn't use my locker for books because there wasn't time between classes.

Gym was the dangerous class. The teacher's wristwatch wasn't wired to
the school clocks, so we might be dismissed a little late. It took time
to open our locker, undress, close our locker, grab a towel, shower,
dry, open our locker, dress, close our locker, throw our towel in the
bin, walk to the classroom building, and climb a couple of flights of
stairs.

The yearbook hyped our monitors, maintaining law and order. Being a
monitor was an excuse to arrive late and leave early, but I didn't see
their purpose. Nobody had time to misbehave between classes. I wondered
if they got the idea for the armbands from the Hitler Youth.

 

[J Burns]

On 11/1/14, 6:20 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 03:12:25 -0400, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com
wrote:

On 10/31/14, 7:01 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:19:25 -0400, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com
wrote:

On 10/30/14, 10:49 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.

When I was a kid, schools didn't have bathrooms. At home, my mother
made us bathe every week.

OK, Abe. ;-)

Now I remember. Starting around 7th grade, my schools did have
bathrooms. No tubs, just communal showers. It was compulsory to bathe
together twice a week.

Hmm, perhaps you're not Abe. Et tu Brute? ;-)

You would have been safe at our school. Strict policy against knives in
the shower. Most blades were carbon steel, which could rust.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 11/1/2014 8:36 PM, J Burns wrote:

Now I remember. Starting around 7th grade, my schools did have
bathrooms. No tubs, just communal showers. It was compulsory to bathe
together twice a week.

Hmm, perhaps you're not Abe. Et tu Brute? ;-)

You would have been safe at our school. Strict policy against knives in
the shower. Most blades were carbon steel, which could rust.

When showers are outlawed, only perverts
will have showers.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

 

[J Burns]

On 11/1/14, 7:19 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
news:1P45w.55721$uw3.5982@fx10.iad...


That sounds like a lot too long to keep students at a desk. Half
hour to 45 mins would make more sense. Need to get up and walk
around. I don't think this sounds practical.


Along those lines...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/10/24/teacher-spends-two-days-as-a-student-and-is-shocked-at-what-she-learned/?wpisrc=pdwmk




Saw this article in other publications too...

Yeah! What was I supposed to do in a 50-minute lecture when my
attention span was under a minute? The fact that lectures were endless
repetition showed that teachers knew we were unable to pay attention.
They were putting us in a position where we had to sit still and pretend
to pay attention all day long.

Each teacher would proudly tell us how many hours we were expected to
spend on daily homework for that class. Add it up, and if you did
nothing but attend classes and do your homework, there might be time for
4 hours' sleep at night.

It sure seemed abusive to me, but this article says teachers really are
that stupid.

 

"Our school had a Western Union clock system governed by a grandfather
clock in the office. Occasionally we'd see classroom clocks jump because
the principal was adjusting the grandfather clock. "

We'd LUUUUV to sae clocks jump !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

 

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[Stormin Mormon]

On 11/1/2014 7:19 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message news:1P45w.55721$uw3.5982@fx10.iad...


That sounds like a lot too long to keep
students at a desk. Half hour to 45 mins
would make more sense. Need to get up and
walk around. I don't think this sounds
practical.


Along those lines...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/10/24/teacher-spends-two-days-as-a-student-and-is-shocked-at-what-she-learned/?wpisrc=pdwmk


Saw this article in other publications too...

That's seriously incredible. What a major
learning moment. And to think, schools over
the whole great nation do that to kids every
school day? Time for the peasants to start
a number two pencil revolt. You have nothing
to lose but your desks in rows!


-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

 

[Genesys]

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 7:19:48 AM UTC-5, djne...@gmail.com wrote:
> IC601# IC PHOTOCOUPLER TLP781F(D4-FUNBLL F) QPEL781FBLLF Is whats listed in the service manual.

The original post is 14 years old...

 

[Maynard A. Philbrook Jr.]

In article <282ff2f9-d6a6-4159-8bc1-3cc7deeac6f6@googlegroups.com>,
wolstech@gmail.com says...

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 7:19:48 AM UTC-5, djne...@gmail.com wrote:
IC601# IC PHOTOCOUPLER TLP781F(D4-FUNBLL F) QPEL781FBLLF Is whats listed in the service manual.

The original post is 14 years old...

Better late than never, I say..:0

Jamie

 

[josephkk]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:17:07 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote:

Danny D. wrote:
John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom
management is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose
schools.


Well - that's a big part of your problem. Rather than teaching kids things,
parents and teachers rally around excuses for what the things exist. I wish
you the best - deal with the problems you are creating.


One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

Brilliant! Shear stupidity - so why shouldn't everyone else follow suit?

Mikw Marlow:
If you are so wise let's hear your solutions to each case where you
kvetched. There are several, let's hear what you would have the
teacher/school do.

?-/

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall
pass is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.


Brain dead thinking. But that's fine - do that kind of thinking where you
live. What in the hell do you really think you are solving with this kind
of approach?


We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other
times, but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of
jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other
friends, if they're clever).

You just keep on letting those kids outsmart you. I'm sure you'll win that
way...



What the pass does, first and foremost, is it discourages such
intents.

Bullshit! Are you and the teachers at that school that stupid as to really
believe this? If so - muck in your own mire.

Also, it allows the teacher to continue teaching,
uninterrupted, as
the students just get up, grab the pass, and return, unannounced.

Really? Do you even think about the things like this that you post?



It also is very clear to everyone, what the purpose of the kid is,
whether grabbing the pass or walking the hallways. It's also not
something they can leave hidden in the hallway while they
surreptitiously run a'muck about the hallways or outdoors to catch a
smoke or whatever.

Dear Parent...



Likewise, it prevents multiple kids (from the same classroom anyway)
leaving the room at any one time.

Really? The high paid teacher is this dumb as to not be aware of this
syndrome? Really?



Furthermore, it's obvious to all whether the bathroom pass is in use
or not. It's like the red sign on an airplane bathroom door showing
it's in use, rather than what we have to do at a McDonalds, which is
to jiggle the doorknob repeatedly to find out if someone is in there.

Yeah - when I was a kid I had a really hard time understanding a locked
door - are you really this stupid? How about facilities that accomodate 4
kids at once - where does that fit into your foolish thinking?


And, being so large (on purpose), the kids, who almost certainly don't
like it, can't lose it easily.

Oh man - that just can't be anymore stupid.


At the very least, it's objectionable to carry (as you noted), which
would further discourage the unnecessary potty breaks.

Really? What in the hell is the problem you are looking to solve? I think
you have a California mindset which just does not think at all.



Rest assured, this teacher has at least one kid a day out of her 200,
walk out on the class without excuse.

Really? Then fire the teacher. That is her or his responsibility to make
sure that kind of thing does not happen. Screw the 200 number - that's a
classic over-exageration - how many students in any one class session? The
total number is completely meaningless.


She has kids banging on the
table, and calling her a b*ch, and plenty of disciplinary problems,
all of which are common through all the classes, as she told me most
of these kids are being weeded out of the system through their
behavior in *all* their classes.

Guess you guys need to improve your school disciplines and forget looking at
magic tokens like stupid wood fobs for a key to the boys room. Do you
really belive that is going to fix the problems you guys have created in
your schools? Really? Are you really that dumb?


I also find this behavior strange, as *my* kids have always had
comments on their report cards of "very polite", "always helpful",
"pitches in to volunteer every time I ask", and even once "raises
hand to answer questions too often!".

Good for you! That's what is necessary - not stupid fobs.



I think this teacher, who is brand new, is learning on the job. In
California, they go through 3 semesters of graduate training, to
obtain a preliminary teaching certificate, two semesters of which
have on-the-job training of sorts.


Kudos to you for trying to help a new teacher but don't you see that the
problem is so much bigger than that?

Then, they're thrown to the wolves for 2 more years, until they get
their preliminary teaching certificate cleared. At that point, they
also get tenure (which is kind'a soon, if you ask me), and then
they're bona-fide teachers.

Well - you might want to take the problem up with your school district. You
guys created the problem and stupid ideas like wooden fobs is not going to
fix that problem.



The clearance process, apparently, starts with three weeks of
training on "classroom management", which I found odd when I saw that
it's the *first* thing they re-train the preliminary-credentialed
teachers on.

Oh well...


You have to remember these are Algebra classes, where probably only a
small percentage of the kids (maybe 1/3?) actually care to learn it.
It's a required class for the rest, which they hope to never see
again during the rest of their lives.

We have to remember? Really? Are you that stupid? They are in school.
They are there to learn what they are told to be taught. We have to
remember? I see the very root of this problem...


When is the last time you or I graphed a quadratic equation, for
example? Could each of us solve a binomial equation to save our lives?
(Building suspension bridges in the redwoods notwithstanding...

Competely irrelevent! We did do it when we were in school. What does it
matter at all when the last time was that we did it. I'll tell you that I
have used that knowledge throughout my life - though it may not have been on
a daily basis - but when I needed it, I could call on it. You are making
excuses for dumbing down our already stupid kids even more?

 

[josephkk]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:52:10 -0400, Stormin Mormon <cayoung61@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 10:25 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've suspected since the beginning that the
bathroom pass is just a bandaid on a larger
problem. This supports my guess.


Parents dumping defective kids on the school system.

CA is noted for the liberal left leaning culture.
Very possible the entire school system is run on
self esteem, and fragile feelings, instead of old
fashioned tried and true.

-

It largely is/was since the 1970s. I saw it, i was there. About mid 2001
decade the parental rebellion about no schools for performance started to
get results. So far only tokenism such as charter schools. Real reform
won't happen until the teachers unions are broken. Which requires a
society of responsibility for your actions. Not something to hold your
breath for.

?-)

 

[Mike Marlow]

josephkk wrote:

Mikw Marlow:
If you are so wise let's hear your solutions to each case where you
kvetched. There are several, let's hear what you would have the
teacher/school do.

No need. If one cannot come up with anything more appropriate than a
bathroom plunger for a hall pass, then the same person would not understand
any higher level of thinking. Just let them go on with their foolishness.

BTW - learn how to trim a post instead of re-posting a ton of lines with
your own comment inserted within the first few lines.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

 

[josephkk]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 23:15:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote:

josephkk wrote:


Mikw Marlow:
If you are so wise let's hear your solutions to each case where you
kvetched. There are several, let's hear what you would have the
teacher/school do.


No need. If one cannot come up with anything more appropriate than a
bathroom plunger for a hall pass, then the same person would not understand
any higher level of thinking. Just let them go on with their foolishness.

BTW - learn how to trim a post instead of re-posting a ton of lines with
your own comment inserted within the first few lines.

I post to suit me.

?-)