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[Michael A. Terrell]

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:23:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


"Danny D." wrote:

John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom management
is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose schools.

One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall pass
is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.

We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other times,
but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other friends,
if they're clever).


The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.

When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.

It's a lot less disruption to the class. I saw them during the last
hurricane, when the building was used as a shelter for the disabled and
senior citizens.



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[Mike Marlow]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.

How are ya supposed to grab a quick cigarette without getting caught that
way?

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 10/30/2014 10:25 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've suspected since the beginning that the
bathroom pass is just a bandaid on a larger
problem. This supports my guess.


Parents dumping defective kids on the school system.

CA is noted for the liberal left leaning culture.
Very possible the entire school system is run on
self esteem, and fragile feelings, instead of old
fashioned tried and true.

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..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
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[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:52:10 -0400:

CA is noted for the liberal left leaning culture.
Very possible the entire school system is run on self esteem, and
fragile feelings, instead of old fashioned tried and true.

Does anyone here have high school kids?
Would you ask *them* what they use for a bathroom pass?
I'd be interested in the results.

 

[J Burns]

On 10/31/14, 6:14 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.

How are ya supposed to grab a quick cigarette without getting caught that
way?

Just holler to the teacher to turn on the ventilator because you just
stunk up the bathroom.

 

[J Burns]

On 10/30/14, 10:49 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.

When I was a kid, schools didn't have bathrooms. At home, my mother
made us bathe every week.

 

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:25:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:23:56 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


"Danny D." wrote:

John Paquay wrote, on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:51:58 -0400:

My knee jerk reaction to the original posting in this thread was not
"What's wrong with these kids?", but rather, "What's wrong with this
teacher?"

She's brand new to teaching, but, it turns out that classroom management
is a standard problem in these multi-ethnic San Jose schools.

One teacher uses a bathroom plunger, as his bathroom pass.

To me, the whole idea of using some (any) ginormous item as a hall pass
is stupid, demeaning, and completely counterproductive... not to
mention, an exercise in futility. What does this really accomplish?

What it (attempts to) accomplish is the reduce undue interruptions of
the classroom environment.

We all know that the kids can go to the bathroom plenty of other times,
but, all kids will take advantage of a "free pass" out of jail, if
even for only 10 minutes (which they can synchronize with other friends,
if they're clever).


The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.

When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.


It's a lot less disruption to the class. I saw them during the last
hurricane, when the building was used as a shelter for the disabled and
senior citizens.

Less interruption? How so? When we were in high school (long before)
there were no "bathroom passes". Classes were 50 minutes with 10
minutes between. Young adults were expected to be potty trained.

 

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:19:25 -0400, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
wrote:

On 10/30/14, 10:49 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.

When I was a kid, schools didn't have bathrooms. At home, my mother
made us bathe every week.

OK, Abe. ;-)

 

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:14:15 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


The local high school has a single person restroom in each classroom.
Problem, solved.

How are ya supposed to grab a quick cigarette without getting caught that
way?

Wait for the class to get over, then skip the next.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It's a lot less disruption to the class. I saw them during the
lasthurricane, when the building was used as a shelter for the
disabled and senior citizens.

Less interruption? How so? When we were in high school (long before)
there were no "bathroom passes". Classes were 50 minutes with 10
minutes between. Young adults were expected to be potty trained.

By letting them get up and use it quickly without interrupting the
class to ask for the pass and the time it took to return it. Some people
have medical problems, and the need arises without much warning.


We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.


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Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:34:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It's a lot less disruption to the class. I saw them during the
lasthurricane, when the building was used as a shelter for the
disabled and senior citizens.

Less interruption? How so? When we were in high school (long before)
there were no "bathroom passes". Classes were 50 minutes with 10
minutes between. Young adults were expected to be potty trained.

By letting them get up and use it quickly without interrupting the
class to ask for the pass and the time it took to return it. Some people
have medical problems, and the need arises without much warning.

*Exceedingly* few high school students have such problems. There are
ways to deal with those few. IOW, a red herring.

We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.

Your principal and the entire faculty, in fact, were morons. Maybe
they were just ahead of their time. It also must have been a very
small high school.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:34:10 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


krw@attt.bizz wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It's a lot less disruption to the class. I saw them during the
lasthurricane, when the building was used as a shelter for the
disabled and senior citizens.

Less interruption? How so? When we were in high school (long before)
there were no "bathroom passes". Classes were 50 minutes with 10
minutes between. Young adults were expected to be potty trained.

By letting them get up and use it quickly without interrupting the
class to ask for the pass and the time it took to return it. Some people
have medical problems, and the need arises without much warning.

*Exceedingly* few high school students have such problems. There are
ways to deal with those few. IOW, a red herring.

We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.

Your principal and the entire faculty, in fact, were morons. Maybe
they were just ahead of their time. It also must have been a very
small high school.

1400
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Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[J Burns]

On 10/31/14, 7:01 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:19:25 -0400, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com
wrote:

On 10/30/14, 10:49 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
When I was a kid, the only classrooms with bathrooms were kindergarten
classrooms. I guess it does make sense that they all would now.

When I was a kid, schools didn't have bathrooms. At home, my mother
made us bathe every week.

OK, Abe. ;-)

Now I remember. Starting around 7th grade, my schools did have
bathrooms. No tubs, just communal showers. It was compulsory to bathe
together twice a week.

 

[J Burns]

On 10/31/14, 7:34 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

We had five minutes between classes. Then the principal retired. His
replacement cut it to three minutes between classes and turned off the
bells even though the clock system needed a lot of work. It turned into
a real mess when hundreds of kids were sent to the principal's office
for being tardy for each class. The teachers used whatever their watch
said, and no two were the same.

Our school had a Western Union clock system governed by a grandfather
clock in the office. Occasionally we'd see classroom clocks jump because
the principal was adjusting the grandfather clock.

I believed in punctuality, being neither late nor early. I'd generally
reach my desk 10 seconds before the bell. All we had at home was a 3"
electric clock on the stove. That couldn't be read precisely, so I
relied on my internal clock.

Sometimes on a Monday morning I'd be 10 seconds late instead of 10
seconds early. I couldn't reset my internal clock on the principal's
whim, so I'd be 10 seconds late every day. By Friday, teachers would be
complaining about my continuing presence in detention. The principal
would fix his clock and Monday the school would be back in sync with me.

He could have saved detention teachers a lot of unpleasantness if he'd
checked with me or the Naval Observatory before tampering with the
grandfather clock.

 

[Danny D.]

krw wrote, on Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:00:31 -0400:

Less interruption? How so? When we were in high school (long before)
there were no "bathroom passes". Classes were 50 minutes with 10
minutes between. Young adults were expected to be potty trained.

San Jose high school classes are an hour and 45 minutes long, which is
double your class periods. On Mondays, they're very short. About an hour.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 11/1/2014 8:15 AM, Danny D. wrote:

San Jose high school classes are an
hour and 45 minutes long, which is
double your class periods. On Mondays,
they're very short. About an hour.

That sounds like a lot too long to keep
students at a desk. Half hour to 45 mins
would make more sense. Need to get up and
walk around. I don't think this sounds
practical.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

 

[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Sat, 01 Nov 2014 08:59:41 -0400:

That sounds like a lot too long to keep students at a desk. Half hour to
45 mins would make more sense. Need to get up and walk around. I don't
think this sounds practical.

As a matter of fact, the teacher (who is brand new to teaching) asked me
for advice on how to keep the kids *engaged* for the entire hour and
forty five minutes.

She, knowing I'm good at googling, asked me to find some math games, and
I also gave her a big bag of extra Halloween chocolate I had bought,
which she is going to use to "reward" the kids when she catches them
being good.

She also knows my strong feeling that math isn't taught correctly, which
is a very long story, but the short of it is that math needs to be taught
from the practical problem standpoint.

For example, I suggested she think from the perspective of two kids
throwing rocks into a lake. What happens, mathematically. Or two kids
trying to kick a soccer ball into a net, while clearing the height of the
other kids. Things like that might keep the kids engaged, if, I
suggested, she *start* a problem that the kids might be interested in,
and then, working backwards, she bring in the math, and, in the end, the
equation and graphs (and, ug, proofs).

I told her to think of all the math that applies to that problem (or any
problem involving two kids trying to figure something out that two kids
would want to figure out), and to teach that way. She told me that is
a *lot* of work, and I did not disagree.

So, that might take years.

In the meantime, there are always the math games we found, which might
help to exercise the kids' bodies, every 30 minutes, for a five-minute
game.

 

[Danny D.]

Ed Pawlowski wrote, on Sat, 01 Nov 2014 15:40:17 -0400:

Perfect opportunity for a pervert teacher, coach, or principle to get
his jollies.

When I wrestled, in high school, the coach taught us how to cheat on the
initial doctor's appointment (by not eating for days beforehand), so that
we could then lose even more weight than we were supposed to, and the
coach provided a list of the "bath houses" where we could go to in order
to take a 'sauna' with a full set of rubber clothes that the coach
supplied.

So, we'd exercise in this bath-house sauna, little knowing (heck, we were
only freshmen and sophomores in high school), that the bathhouses are
*filled* to the brim with gay old men.

When they started asking me to take off my sweatshirt and rubberized
gear, as I exercised in the sauna, another guy, I remember it clearly,
told the first guy to shut the heck up and leave me alone. I was
befuddled why these guys wanted me to take off my gear, as the whole
point was to sweat to lose weight (whether for the doctor's assessment or
for the match itself).

I only learned later what those encounters were all about.
Jeezus. And they say the sports environment today is all about cheating.
That was cheating, and, now that I had kids, I NEVER let them believe in
a coach like that (mine, an ex marine, told me "I'm your mother, your
father, and Jesus Christ ... and ... somehow ... I trusted him).

Kids are stupid. I was a kid. I was stupid.

 

[Danny D.]

J Burns wrote, on Sat, 01 Nov 2014 18:11:42 -0400:

> We didn't take our gym clothes home to wash, not even socks

I almost never had to go to gym, because I was on sports year round.
So, I missed that experience.

However, if you've ever *smelled* the varsity locker room, you'll know
the meaning of "gym socks" all too well!

 

[Danny D.]

John Grossbohlin wrote, on Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:19:24 -0400:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/10/24/
teacher-spends-two-days-as-a-student-and-is-shocked-at-what-
she-learned/?wpisrc=pdwmk

Here's a quick four-sentence takeaway ...
1. Those classes were short, at only 1 hour and 15 minutes.
2. Students don't move about, once in class.
3. It's mostly lecture.
4. The kids are constantly chastised.