The Tesla is SLOOOOOWWWWWWWW!...

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 12:33:58 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:33:59 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:23:15 PM UTC-7, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 00:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
If batteries were standardised (not gonna happen as Ricky points out)
then you don\'t need to own one, and you definitely don\'t need two for
each car - just a swap&go rental system like BBQ gas cylinder exchange.

But since cars are a vanity item (like clothes and accessories) there\'s
no way to standardise a format that imposes strict dimensional and
structural requirements on the chassis.

Clifford Heath
The fixed one can never be standardized, but the removable one can. All we need is a common connector. All other features (charging, moving) are still tie to the fixed one.
Ed, only you would not even understand the concept of a swappable battery, thinking there was some utility to only swapping half of your charging capacity, meaning you have to stop twice as often. But for you, that would be a 400% improvement over what you are doing now.

I do understand and I do need to provide a separate charging path (OBC mod DC/CCS). My mobile battery has separate BMS and can be charged from AC 110V/220V, DC 400V or 12V (from emergency vehicle). Mobile battery is like a luggage. It can be any size or shape. but a standard interface cord. I have several different form factors. One 10kwh is 28\"x24\"x16\" in 150 pounds, just siting in the back seat area.
 
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 11:48:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

Especially ugly vehicles seem to have a niche market. The designers
must giggle a lot.




--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

Don\'t get me started on Volvos.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:55:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/1/2022 10:36 PM, rbowman wrote:

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

Yeah, they tried making the minivan cool by giving them an \"aggressive\"
front end, four doors and a slight lift (not nearly enough for real
offroading, though) and calling them a \"crossover activity vehicle\" or
\"outdoor lifestyle vehicle\" or something.

It\'s a minivan I\'m sorry

The designers of one Cadillac SUV admitted that the image that they
wanted was \"menacing.\"



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On 2/6/22 23:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

It is a spectacularly rare event that an American car company produces
anything even vaguely aesthetic. But then I have Italian cars in the blood.
 
On 06/02/2022 07:43 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

Don\'t get me started on Volvos.

Someone at work drove a Subaru Forester. I knew the car but every time I
saw it I had to convince myself it hadn\'t been sideswiped. There was
something about the panels that looked bent.
 
On 06/02/2022 07:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:55:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/1/2022 10:36 PM, rbowman wrote:

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

Yeah, they tried making the minivan cool by giving them an \"aggressive\"
front end, four doors and a slight lift (not nearly enough for real
offroading, though) and calling them a \"crossover activity vehicle\" or
\"outdoor lifestyle vehicle\" or something.

It\'s a minivan I\'m sorry

The designers of one Cadillac SUV admitted that the image that they
wanted was \"menacing.\"

There were a few years when a third gen black Dodge Challenger looked
like something James Cagney would drive in a gangster movie. I\'ve always
had a weakness for cars that looked evil. There are a couple Traction
Avant models I\'d love to have.
 
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:17:07 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:50:31 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 10:28 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge


AFAIK there\'s no officially accredited body that sanctions such a race
and to even get a decent time you have to break most every traffic law
in the book, so who cares? The whole endeavor seems ripe for fraud in
the first place.

Cannonball: \"Flat out between tickets.\"

I feel about it about the same as I do about these jamokes:

https://youtu.be/RWPf9rqPAB4

Why not take your Dad\'s money and your Daddy\'s car and enter a real
race? Nobody thinks you\'re cool.

This is what the Left does when they are on the short side of logical arguments: they start talking about your family heritage.
 
On 06/02/2022 10:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 23:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record


The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional
vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

It is a spectacularly rare event that an American car company produces
anything even vaguely aesthetic. But then I have Italian cars in the blood.

I had an Italian car in my blood when a friend rolled his Alfa Romeo. 50
years later a doctor remarked on the odd scars around my eye.

I had a Fiat Spyder briefly. It had to be admired for its aesthetics
since it rarely was operational. I got to like the Mustang loaner so
much I traded the Fiat for it.
 
On 6/3/2022 12:24 AM, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:17:07 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:50:31 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 10:28 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge


AFAIK there\'s no officially accredited body that sanctions such a race
and to even get a decent time you have to break most every traffic law
in the book, so who cares? The whole endeavor seems ripe for fraud in
the first place.

Cannonball: \"Flat out between tickets.\"

I feel about it about the same as I do about these jamokes:

https://youtu.be/RWPf9rqPAB4

Why not take your Dad\'s money and your Daddy\'s car and enter a real
race? Nobody thinks you\'re cool.

This is what the Left does when they are on the short side of logical arguments: they start talking about your family heritage.

Flyguy has definitely used the line \"Don\'t you know who my DAD is?!\"
before..
 
rbowman wrote:
On 06/02/2022 10:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 23:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record



The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration
alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional
vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like
the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

It is a spectacularly rare event that an American car company produces
anything even vaguely aesthetic. But then I have Italian cars in the
blood.

I had an Italian car in my blood when a friend rolled his Alfa Romeo. 50
years later a doctor remarked on the odd scars around my eye.

I had a Fiat Spyder briefly. It had to be admired for its aesthetics
since it rarely was operational. I got to like the Mustang loaner so
much I traded the Fiat for it.

My first car was a 1973 Fiat 128, which worked fine(*) till the rocker
panels completely rusted out in 1981.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


(*) For sufficiently-small values of \"fine\"--it blew a timing belt at
50k miles, taking out all eight valves.


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 08:19:08 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/02/2022 10:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 23:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record


The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional
vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

It is a spectacularly rare event that an American car company produces
anything even vaguely aesthetic. But then I have Italian cars in the blood.

I had an Italian car in my blood when a friend rolled his Alfa Romeo. 50
years later a doctor remarked on the odd scars around my eye.

I had a Fiat Spyder briefly. It had to be admired for its aesthetics
since it rarely was operational. I got to like the Mustang loaner so
much I traded the Fiat for it.

Alfas were wonderful, almost erotic, to drive, and about impossible to
work on.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:35:53 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

rbowman wrote:
On 06/02/2022 10:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 23:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record



The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration
alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional
vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like
the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

It is a spectacularly rare event that an American car company produces
anything even vaguely aesthetic. But then I have Italian cars in the
blood.

I had an Italian car in my blood when a friend rolled his Alfa Romeo. 50
years later a doctor remarked on the odd scars around my eye.

I had a Fiat Spyder briefly. It had to be admired for its aesthetics
since it rarely was operational. I got to like the Mustang loaner so
much I traded the Fiat for it.

My first car was a 1973 Fiat 128, which worked fine(*) till the rocker
panels completely rusted out in 1981.

Mine was an Austin-Healy Sprite. Great fun with the top down,
mechanically barbaric, fairly easy to fix, which was good given the
frequency of breakdowns. Kept a tool box in the tiny truck.

Didn\'t need jumper cables. I could push it, jump in, and dump the
clutch to start it. When the clutch worked. I drove from Mt Tam,
across the GG bridge home, without a clutch. My Filipino GF was
impressed.

The Sprite got totaled so I got an MG Midget, basically the same
thing.

I sold the MG to an artist who completely restored it and painted the
ocean on it as a canvass. He displayed it and rarely drove it.

https://adrianruyle.com/3-d-art/art-cars/mg-3/



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:22:15 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/02/2022 07:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:55:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/1/2022 10:36 PM, rbowman wrote:

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

Yeah, they tried making the minivan cool by giving them an \"aggressive\"
front end, four doors and a slight lift (not nearly enough for real
offroading, though) and calling them a \"crossover activity vehicle\" or
\"outdoor lifestyle vehicle\" or something.

It\'s a minivan I\'m sorry

The designers of one Cadillac SUV admitted that the image that they
wanted was \"menacing.\"




There were a few years when a third gen black Dodge Challenger looked
like something James Cagney would drive in a gangster movie. I\'ve always
had a weakness for cars that looked evil. There are a couple Traction
Avant models I\'d love to have.

My wife drives an adorable little orange Honda Fit but lusts after a
black Challenger. Maybe I\'ll rent her one to get it out of her system.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:16:02 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/02/2022 07:43 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

Don\'t get me started on Volvos.




Someone at work drove a Subaru Forester. I knew the car but every time I
saw it I had to convince myself it hadn\'t been sideswiped. There was
something about the panels that looked bent.

Maybe a tree fell on it.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 21:24:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:17:07 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:50:31 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 10:28 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge


AFAIK there\'s no officially accredited body that sanctions such a race
and to even get a decent time you have to break most every traffic law
in the book, so who cares? The whole endeavor seems ripe for fraud in
the first place.

Cannonball: \"Flat out between tickets.\"

I feel about it about the same as I do about these jamokes:

https://youtu.be/RWPf9rqPAB4

Why not take your Dad\'s money and your Daddy\'s car and enter a real
race? Nobody thinks you\'re cool.

This is what the Left does when they are on the short side of logical arguments: they start talking about your family heritage.

He probably just stole the car.

But yes, bitrex has wealth jealousy problems.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:22:15 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/02/2022 07:44 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:55:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/1/2022 10:36 PM, rbowman wrote:

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

Yeah, they tried making the minivan cool by giving them an \"aggressive\"
front end, four doors and a slight lift (not nearly enough for real
offroading, though) and calling them a \"crossover activity vehicle\" or
\"outdoor lifestyle vehicle\" or something.

It\'s a minivan I\'m sorry

The designers of one Cadillac SUV admitted that the image that they
wanted was \"menacing.\"




There were a few years when a third gen black Dodge Challenger looked
like something James Cagney would drive in a gangster movie. I\'ve always
had a weakness for cars that looked evil. There are a couple Traction
Avant models I\'d love to have.

My wife drives an adorable little orange Honda Fit but lusts after a
black Challenger. Maybe I\'ll rent her one to get it out of her system.

Well, then you\'d get to park in the garage. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 06/03/2022 09:35 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 06/02/2022 10:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 23:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV
record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record



The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration
alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional
vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty
ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look
like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

It is a spectacularly rare event that an American car company produces
anything even vaguely aesthetic. But then I have Italian cars in the
blood.

I had an Italian car in my blood when a friend rolled his Alfa Romeo.
50 years later a doctor remarked on the odd scars around my eye.

I had a Fiat Spyder briefly. It had to be admired for its aesthetics
since it rarely was operational. I got to like the Mustang loaner so
much I traded the Fiat for it.

My first car was a 1973 Fiat 128, which worked fine(*) till the rocker
panels completely rusted out in 1981.

It lasted longer than the Yugos it sired... I didn\'t care much for
Clinton but bombing the Yugo factory was a plus in his ledger.


(*) For sufficiently-small values of \"fine\"--it blew a timing belt at
50k miles, taking out all eight valves.

Ah, interference engines. The friend with a thing for Alfas was
rebuilding another one. DOHC driven by a chain with a tensioner that
could take your finger off if you released in incorrectly. He was an
excellent architect, a not so excellent mechanic and got the timing
marks wrong. At least it was still in the garage when it wiped the
valves out.

I\'d rebuilt one for a guy when I was in college. It was the only wet
liner engine I\'ve ever worked on. No oversized pistons, just replace the
whole liner/piston assembly.
 
On 06/03/2022 10:04 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Mine was an Austin-Healy Sprite. Great fun with the top down,
mechanically barbaric, fairly easy to fix, which was good given the
frequency of breakdowns. Kept a tool box in the tiny truck.

Ah, memories. I had a \'62. No bug-eye charm, a slightly larger engine,
and the semi-adequate brakes from \'61. Sudden rain storms were a
problem. By the time you got the frame out of the trunk, installed it in
the sockets, stretched the top over it, retrieved the side curtains, and
put them in place, you might as well have kept driving.


Didn\'t need jumper cables. I could push it, jump in, and dump the
clutch to start it. When the clutch worked. I drove from Mt Tam,
across the GG bridge home, without a clutch. My Filipino GF was
impressed.

I ran out of gas a few blocks from home. The city streets were level, so
I got out, walked beside it and pushed it along with no problem. Until I
got to an intersection where a cop was directing traffic. \"Do you
always take your car for a walk?\" At least cops still had a sense of
humor then.
 
On 06/03/2022 12:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:16:02 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/02/2022 07:43 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:36:47 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

And silly side creases. And random slabs of chrome. And bizarre rear
lights.

Don\'t get me started on Volvos.




Someone at work drove a Subaru Forester. I knew the car but every time I
saw it I had to convince myself it hadn\'t been sideswiped. There was
something about the panels that looked bent.

Maybe a tree fell on it.

Never can tell around here. A friend was out getting firewood and
reasoned if he fell a tree on the upside of the road he could saw
lengths off and roll them down to the road. Worked well until one log
bounced off a rock, altered course, and took out the front quarter of
his pickup.

Around here there are a lot of comedy routines about the economics of
burning \'free\' firewood.
 

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