The Tesla is SLOOOOOWWWWWWWW!...

[rbowman]

On 06/06/2022 09:55 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

rbowman wrote:
On 06/05/2022 10:15 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 00:12:41 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/04/2022 09:06 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
IIRC there was a small Audi that came out a bit before the 128, with
the
same layout. Mine had a dash-mounted choke _and_ a dash-mounted
throttle, so you could do the Italian cruise control thing without
needing a cinder block to put on the gas pedal.

I think the first Audi badged car was the F103 derived from a DKW by
replacing the 2 stroke with a 4 stroke longitudinal engine FWD. I
don\'t
think it made it to the US. I bought a 100LS in \'71 and I think
that was
the first US model before the smaller F80 Fox. It was longitudinal
too.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/36535/this-1975-audi-100-has-a-rare-engine-layout-thats-uncommon-for-a-reason



https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-european/curbside-classic-1970-audi-100-ls-ingolstadts-table-setter/



The second link is much longer but has a view of the drive train.
Everything they say in both articles is true. I almost killed myself
before I got it sorted out. Not only was it the first FWD car I\'d
driven
but the extremely nose heavy weight distribution meant it was happiest
going in a straight line, telephone poles and maple trees be
damned. It
also had a number of electrical and mechanical issues. When we
split my
wife got the Audi and I got the Lincoln. She later got a few hundred
bucks on a trade-in for a Rabbit which was a vast improvement.

I can only assume Audis have greatly improved. Oh, and there were the
ergonomic seats designed for somebody else\'s ergo. I\'ve driven
everything from a $35 \'51 Chevy on up to Kenworths and it was the most
uncomfortable thing of the pack.

I\'d really went in to buy a Porsche 914 but just sitting in one in the
showroom convinced me it wouldn\'t work so I wound up with the Audi. It
is telling that in \'71 it was a mid-sized executive car; today it
would
barely make it into the compact class.

I think one of the first transverse-4 front-wheel drive cars was the
Austin America. Innvative but still British.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/austin-america

The 914 was a killer. The 914/6 would actually do a wheelie. During a
wheelie, it was hard to steer.

My MGs had a lot of oversteer (not power oversteer of course!) but
that was sort of controllable and kinda fun.

And of course leaked oil. Everything designed in England in the 1960s
was legally required to leak oil. The Concorde, the QE2, Triumphs, MGs,
Astons, tea pots, garden hosepipes, all of them.

Oil was cheap... The Brits were pining for the days of total loss
lubrication systems.

Triumph as in TR3/TR4 or Bonneville? Not that it makes a difference
when it comes to marking its territory.


Mine was a TR7 with four- and five-speed transmissions at various times.

The four was made of glass, so when it went, I had a local shop put a
5-speed transmission and matching bell housing on. The rear end stayed
the same, so it needed a Frankenstein drive shaft, which worked fine. I
sold it when I got married and went to grad school.

I lusted after the TR3. Like the MGA to MGB I thought they lost their
charm when they tried to modernize. The MGA\'s were nice but the TR3\'s
were a little faster. For real style there were the MG TD\'s but they
were barely road worthy.

I almost bought a MGA but my father noticed all 4 wheels weren\'t exactly
pointed in the same direction.

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:03:08 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:

On 06/06/2022 09:55 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 06/05/2022 10:15 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 00:12:41 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 06/04/2022 09:06 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
IIRC there was a small Audi that came out a bit before the 128, with
the
same layout. Mine had a dash-mounted choke _and_ a dash-mounted
throttle, so you could do the Italian cruise control thing without
needing a cinder block to put on the gas pedal.

I think the first Audi badged car was the F103 derived from a DKW by
replacing the 2 stroke with a 4 stroke longitudinal engine FWD. I
don\'t
think it made it to the US. I bought a 100LS in \'71 and I think
that was
the first US model before the smaller F80 Fox. It was longitudinal
too.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/36535/this-1975-audi-100-has-a-rare-engine-layout-thats-uncommon-for-a-reason



https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-european/curbside-classic-1970-audi-100-ls-ingolstadts-table-setter/



The second link is much longer but has a view of the drive train.
Everything they say in both articles is true. I almost killed myself
before I got it sorted out. Not only was it the first FWD car I\'d
driven
but the extremely nose heavy weight distribution meant it was happiest
going in a straight line, telephone poles and maple trees be
damned. It
also had a number of electrical and mechanical issues. When we
split my
wife got the Audi and I got the Lincoln. She later got a few hundred
bucks on a trade-in for a Rabbit which was a vast improvement.

I can only assume Audis have greatly improved. Oh, and there were the
ergonomic seats designed for somebody else\'s ergo. I\'ve driven
everything from a $35 \'51 Chevy on up to Kenworths and it was the most
uncomfortable thing of the pack.

I\'d really went in to buy a Porsche 914 but just sitting in one in the
showroom convinced me it wouldn\'t work so I wound up with the Audi. It
is telling that in \'71 it was a mid-sized executive car; today it
would
barely make it into the compact class.

I think one of the first transverse-4 front-wheel drive cars was the
Austin America. Innvative but still British.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/austin-america

The 914 was a killer. The 914/6 would actually do a wheelie. During a
wheelie, it was hard to steer.

My MGs had a lot of oversteer (not power oversteer of course!) but
that was sort of controllable and kinda fun.

And of course leaked oil. Everything designed in England in the 1960s
was legally required to leak oil. The Concorde, the QE2, Triumphs, MGs,
Astons, tea pots, garden hosepipes, all of them.

Oil was cheap... The Brits were pining for the days of total loss
lubrication systems.

Triumph as in TR3/TR4 or Bonneville? Not that it makes a difference
when it comes to marking its territory.


Mine was a TR7 with four- and five-speed transmissions at various times..

The four was made of glass, so when it went, I had a local shop put a
5-speed transmission and matching bell housing on. The rear end stayed
the same, so it needed a Frankenstein drive shaft, which worked fine. I
sold it when I got married and went to grad school.

I lusted after the TR3. Like the MGA to MGB I thought they lost their
charm when they tried to modernize. The MGA\'s were nice but the TR3\'s
were a little faster. For real style there were the MG TD\'s but they
were barely road worthy.

I almost bought a MGA but my father noticed all 4 wheels weren\'t exactly
pointed in the same direction.

My brother had an MGA and an MGB-GT. The MGA has aluminum trunk, and possibly hood. It was hard to get paint to stick to them because people didn\'t know what they were doing at that time. I remember seeing the paint chip off the trunk in large pieces. I don\'t remember it being all that fast really. It did corner like it was on rails though. So you didn\'t have to slow down as much.

--

Rick C.

+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[David Eather]

On 30/05/2022 1:20 pm, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

Someone chooses a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does, so
is irrelevant to virtually all drivers, to use as a benchmark and says
\"see I told you it was no good\". That makes no sense at all.

And if you were going cross country it makes more sense to fly and then
rent a car at destination.

The lock you out thing and catching fire is a bit more, lets say
\"inconvenient\" - but I\'d like to look at the data first to see how often
per hour driven compared to other vehicles.

We used to have a thing in this country (the land of Oz) where every
time a car with LPG was in an accident it made the news, so giving the
impression they were unsafe. Checking the data in states with a decent
installation standard (not all states at the time) revealed they were
just as safe as any other car.

 

[Don Y]

On 6/8/2022 1:53 AM, David Eather wrote:

Someone chooses a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does, so is
irrelevant to virtually all drivers, to use as a benchmark and says \"see I told
you it was no good\". That makes no sense at all.

Sort of like flying ANYWHERE solo.

And if you were going cross country it makes more sense to fly and then rent a
car at destination.

Unless you were making a poor-man\'s *delivery* of said vehicle (someone
too cheap to have it shipped)

The lock you out thing and catching fire is a bit more, lets say \"inconvenient\"
- but I\'d like to look at the data first to see how often per hour driven
compared to other vehicles.

I wonder how often folks misplace their keys! Surely that\'s an argument
against locks on cars! <grin>

We used to have a thing in this country (the land of Oz) where every time a car
with LPG was in an accident it made the news, so giving the impression they
were unsafe. Checking the data in states with a decent installation standard
(not all states at the time) revealed they were just as safe as any other car.

Sort of like the coverage given to aircraft \"disasters\" making them seem
like a dreadfully risky way of traveling -- yet driving a car is considerably
riskier. And, closer to home!

People choose data/events to reinforce their opinions. (ever been to a casino
and listen to all the \"theories\" about how/when a player EXPECTS to win?)
Statisticians (and, more importantly, actuaries) just look at the numbers.

 

[David Eather]

On 8/06/2022 11:09 pm, Don Y wrote:

On 6/8/2022 1:53 AM, David Eather wrote:
Someone chooses a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does, so
is irrelevant to virtually all drivers, to use as a benchmark and says
\"see I told you it was no good\". That makes no sense at all.

Sort of like flying ANYWHERE solo.

Business trips?

And if you were going cross country it makes more sense to fly and
then rent a car at destination.

Unless you were making a poor-man\'s *delivery* of said vehicle (someone
too cheap to have it shipped)

\"Someone chooses a trip *virtually* no one does\"

The lock you out thing and catching fire is a bit more, lets say
\"inconvenient\" - but I\'d like to look at the data first to see how
often per hour driven compared to other vehicles.

I wonder how often folks misplace their keys!  Surely that\'s an argument
against locks on cars!  <grin

We used to have a thing in this country (the land of Oz) where every
time a car with LPG was in an accident it made the news, so giving the
impression they were unsafe. Checking the data in states with a decent
installation standard (not all states at the time) revealed they were
just as safe as any other car.

Sort of like the coverage given to aircraft \"disasters\" making them seem
like a dreadfully risky way of traveling -- yet driving a car is
considerably
riskier.  And, closer to home!

People choose data/events to reinforce their opinions.  (ever been to a
casino
and listen to all the \"theories\" about how/when a player EXPECTS to win?)
Statisticians (and, more importantly, actuaries) just look at the numbers.

 

[Don Y]

On 6/9/2022 6:02 AM, David Eather wrote:

On 8/06/2022 11:09 pm, Don Y wrote:
On 6/8/2022 1:53 AM, David Eather wrote:
Someone chooses a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does, so is
irrelevant to virtually all drivers, to use as a benchmark and says \"see I
told you it was no good\". That makes no sense at all.

Sort of like flying ANYWHERE solo.

Business trips?

You\'d fly a private aircraft, with no other passengers, just to
attend a \"business trip\"? I\'d rather assume you\'d fly *commercial*
and not bother dealing with the hassle of filing a flight plan,
fueling the vehicle, etc.

And if you were going cross country it makes more sense to fly and then rent
a car at destination.

Unless you were making a poor-man\'s *delivery* of said vehicle (someone
too cheap to have it shipped)

\"Someone chooses a trip *virtually* no one does\"

Lots of people hire folks to drive vehicle cross country -- or do so
themselves.

<https://nationwideautotransportation.com/blog/drive-away-service/>
<https://www.gonomad.com/1562-drive-across-the-usa-with-auto-driveaway-cars>
<https://www.dollarbreak.com/get-paid-to-drive-cars-across-country/>

I suspect it is cheaper (and possibly less of a hassle) than
shipping a vehicle. And, much more convenient than driving it,
yourself.

But, driving across the country in an effort to see how QUICKLY
you can do it is truly something that DAMN NEAR NOONE does!

 

[Cydrome Leader]

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

But they look like a ransom notes. None of panels, trim, pillars or even
windows line up on a tesla. They must be assembled by blind folks with
nerve damaged to their hands.

 

[David Eather]

On 11/06/2022 5:48 am, Don Y wrote:

On 6/9/2022 6:02 AM, David Eather wrote:
On 8/06/2022 11:09 pm, Don Y wrote:
On 6/8/2022 1:53 AM, David Eather wrote:
Someone chooses a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does,
so is irrelevant to virtually all drivers, to use as a benchmark and
says \"see I told you it was no good\". That makes no sense at all.

Sort of like flying ANYWHERE solo.

Business trips?

You\'d fly a private aircraft, with no other passengers, just to
attend a \"business trip\"?  I\'d rather assume you\'d fly *commercial*
and not bother dealing with the hassle of filing a flight plan,
fueling the vehicle, etc.

Me? No. But there are people who do.

And if you were going cross country it makes more sense to fly and
then rent a car at destination.

Unless you were making a poor-man\'s *delivery* of said vehicle (someone
too cheap to have it shipped)

\"Someone chooses a trip *virtually* no one does\"

Lots of people hire folks to drive vehicle cross country -- or do so
themselves.

https://nationwideautotransportation.com/blog/drive-away-service/
https://www.gonomad.com/1562-drive-across-the-usa-with-auto-driveaway-cars

https://www.dollarbreak.com/get-paid-to-drive-cars-across-country/

I suspect it is cheaper (and possibly less of a hassle) than
shipping a vehicle.  And, much more convenient than driving it,
yourself.

But, driving across the country in an effort to see how QUICKLY
you can do it is truly something that DAMN NEAR NOONE does!

 

[Don Y]

On 6/14/2022 5:43 PM, David Eather wrote:

On 11/06/2022 5:48 am, Don Y wrote:
On 6/9/2022 6:02 AM, David Eather wrote:
On 8/06/2022 11:09 pm, Don Y wrote:
On 6/8/2022 1:53 AM, David Eather wrote:
Someone chooses a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does, so is
irrelevant to virtually all drivers, to use as a benchmark and says \"see I
told you it was no good\". That makes no sense at all.

Sort of like flying ANYWHERE solo.

Business trips?

You\'d fly a private aircraft, with no other passengers, just to
attend a \"business trip\"? I\'d rather assume you\'d fly *commercial*
and not bother dealing with the hassle of filing a flight plan,
fueling the vehicle, etc.


Me? No. But there are people who do.

I.e., \"a trip virtually no one does, in a way no one does\"?

And if you were going cross country it makes more sense to fly and then
rent a car at destination.

Unless you were making a poor-man\'s *delivery* of said vehicle (someone
too cheap to have it shipped)

\"Someone chooses a trip *virtually* no one does\"

Lots of people hire folks to drive vehicle cross country -- or do so
themselves.

https://nationwideautotransportation.com/blog/drive-away-service/
https://www.gonomad.com/1562-drive-across-the-usa-with-auto-driveaway-cars
https://www.dollarbreak.com/get-paid-to-drive-cars-across-country/

I suspect it is cheaper (and possibly less of a hassle) than
shipping a vehicle. And, much more convenient than driving it,
yourself.

But, driving across the country in an effort to see how QUICKLY
you can do it is truly something that DAMN NEAR NOONE does!