The Tesla is SLOOOOOWWWWWWWW!...

[ke...@kjwdesigns.com]

On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 19:28:34 UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You didn\'t even read your own link. The EV record is a bit faster than that at 42:52.

\"In October 2021, the EV record was broken twice in the same rented 2021 Tesla Model S Long Range.[59] The first drive, from Los Angeles to New York City, by Ryan Levenson and Will Wood, lowered the EV record to 42:52.[60] The second drive occurred on October 22, 2021, leaving from the Red Ball Garage in Manhattan at 11:00am and arriving at the Portifino Inn in Redondo Beach, CA 42 hours, 17 minutes later.\"

But ok, you win. The next time I need to do a coast to coast speed run I\'ll use a gasoline vehicle.

kw

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 30 May 2022 12:55:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/30/2022 12:53 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?

Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

I guess whether it results in the best time to Safeway depends on how
much your route resembles a rally track

I\'m headed there now. The speed limit on Donner Pass Road is 35, 25 in
the school zone.

I\'m up in the mountains doing cabin repairs. A wind storm pushed some
tree limbs into wires and tore a chunk off the cabin and all the wires
came down. Power, cable, pots. I climbed a tree and disappeared the
old telephone pair. It hasn\'t been used in decades.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lt38qw0yxrulr6v/AABtcYQNALQjZFqOfHV291dea?dl=0

Albert Einstein couldn\'t invent a worse connector than an F.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[ke...@kjwdesigns.com]

On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to catch fire than EVs.
....
kw

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 19.43.51 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:

On 5/30/2022 1:30 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 18.53.42 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?
Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk..

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
Lots of people seem to love NASCAR can\'t say I really get a big thrill
out of watching cars go \'round in a circle though

I don\'t understand it either, but then I don\'t understand basketball
or football either. Maybe nascar is just a big beer blast.

I expect the beer helps definitely

sure, and standing right next to the track when +30 ginormous V8s at flat chat pass at 200mph I\'m sure is quite the visceral experience
There used to be a sprint car track near where I grew up I used to go to
as a kid, don\'t know if there\'s a similar sport in Europe but aside from
some modern safety equipment like the modern multi-point harnesses, roll
cages and fuel bladders these cars are seriously bare bones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_car_racing

Sort of like something from the movie \"Mad Max\"

maybe this: https://youtu.be/7tMy5fxZNO0
glasfiber bodies, 5/8 scale old american car style and a 1200cc motorcycle engine

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-4, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:

On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!
Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

I know what you mean, because I drive one. But it\'s hard to explain to someone else. It\'s not just the lack of vibration, like it\'s not just the lack of noise either. It feels like you have infinite control over the power, effortlessly. It really is different from an ICE, fundamentally.


> In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

Yeah, again, until you have one, and use it for a while, getting used to it, this just doesn\'t seem to sink in with people. As Bill is fond of pointing out, cars are parked 95% of the time. Charge anytime it\'s parked.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.
The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to catch fire than EVs.

Larkin isn\'t aware of any other BEVs than Teslas. He seems to have taken a dislike to Musk, and transferred that to Tesla. So now he can\'t reason around the idea that Teslas represent all BEVs and he must hate them. I haven\'t heard him complain about the lack of charging in Truckee, other than the two sites which he also complains are always free. Weird guy.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Phil Hobbs]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?


Lots of people seem to love NASCAR can\'t say I really get a big thrill
out of watching cars go \'round in a circle though

I don\'t understand it either, but then I don\'t understand basketball
or football either. Maybe nascar is just a big beer blast.

NASCAR is all about the tailgate party in the infield. (I\'ve never
been, but I\'m reliably informed by my Texas relatives.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[rbowman]

On 05/30/2022 11:43 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 5/30/2022 1:30 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 18.53.42 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics
who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV
record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m
with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to
get
the best times.

To Safeway?
Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
Lots of people seem to love NASCAR can\'t say I really get a big thrill
out of watching cars go \'round in a circle though

I don\'t understand it either, but then I don\'t understand basketball
or football either. Maybe nascar is just a big beer blast.

I expect the beer helps definitely

sure, and standing right next to the track when +30 ginormous V8s at
flat chat pass at 200mph I\'m sure is quite the visceral experience

There used to be a sprint car track near where I grew up I used to go to
as a kid, don\'t know if there\'s a similar sport in Europe but aside from
some modern safety equipment like the modern multi-point harnesses, roll
cages and fuel bladders these cars are seriously bare bones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_car_racing

Sort of like something from the movie \"Mad Max\"

https://americanhistory.si.edu/race-cars/stock-car-1952

That\'s what I grew up with. Most of the cars were coupes from the \'30s
and \'40s converted to a race car under the shade tree. The tracks were
1/4 mile dirt so speeds weren\'t excessive and they were outlaw tracks,
not NASCAR affiliated. Skill and balls, or insanity if you will, was
more important than equipment.

I never got into NASCAR with its purpose built \'stock cars\' costing
thousands of dollars. I went to a Gran Prix race at Watkins Glen once
and that was even more boring than NASCAR.

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:20:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

Uh... that describes every car on the road that has locks.
Driving isn\'t the glorious unicorns-and-rainbows experience
that you imagined at age four. Esthetically, I\'m told
this is a superb teapot

<https://www.yuuki-cha.com/japanese-teapots/nasu-banko-yaki-teapot>

but tastes may vary.

 

[rbowman]

On 05/30/2022 12:06 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 19.43.51 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 5/30/2022 1:30 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 18.53.42 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?
Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
Lots of people seem to love NASCAR can\'t say I really get a big thrill
out of watching cars go \'round in a circle though

I don\'t understand it either, but then I don\'t understand basketball
or football either. Maybe nascar is just a big beer blast.

I expect the beer helps definitely

sure, and standing right next to the track when +30 ginormous V8s at flat chat pass at 200mph I\'m sure is quite the visceral experience
There used to be a sprint car track near where I grew up I used to go to
as a kid, don\'t know if there\'s a similar sport in Europe but aside from
some modern safety equipment like the modern multi-point harnesses, roll
cages and fuel bladders these cars are seriously bare bones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_car_racing

Sort of like something from the movie \"Mad Max\"

maybe this: https://youtu.be/7tMy5fxZNO0
glasfiber bodies, 5/8 scale old american car style and a 1200cc motorcycle engine

I saw one Legends race and it was fun. There were more body styles so it
looked more like a \'50s stock car race.

There was a micro sprint track here that was also interesting. They\'re
karts on steroids with 600cc bike engines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlOTHz5GZ1o

Both are attempts to have races that don\'t require hundreds of thousands
to get into sort of like the Formula Vee for that style of racing.
Somehow cubic cash always beats cubic inches though.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.21 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:

On 05/30/2022 11:43 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:30 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 18.53.42 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics
who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV
record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m
with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to
get
the best times.

To Safeway?
Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
Lots of people seem to love NASCAR can\'t say I really get a big thrill
out of watching cars go \'round in a circle though

I don\'t understand it either, but then I don\'t understand basketball
or football either. Maybe nascar is just a big beer blast.

I expect the beer helps definitely

sure, and standing right next to the track when +30 ginormous V8s at
flat chat pass at 200mph I\'m sure is quite the visceral experience

There used to be a sprint car track near where I grew up I used to go to
as a kid, don\'t know if there\'s a similar sport in Europe but aside from
some modern safety equipment like the modern multi-point harnesses, roll
cages and fuel bladders these cars are seriously bare bones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_car_racing

Sort of like something from the movie \"Mad Max\"
https://americanhistory.si.edu/race-cars/stock-car-1952

That\'s what I grew up with. Most of the cars were coupes from the \'30s
and \'40s converted to a race car under the shade tree. The tracks were
1/4 mile dirt so speeds weren\'t excessive and they were outlaw tracks,
not NASCAR affiliated. Skill and balls, or insanity if you will, was
more important than equipment.

I never got into NASCAR with its purpose built \'stock cars\' costing
thousands of dollars. I went to a Gran Prix race at Watkins Glen once
and that was even more boring than NASCAR.

thousands? a Nascar cup team probably spends tens of millions a year

 

[rbowman]

On 05/30/2022 10:53 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?

Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal

I stumbled onto a drift meet in the parking lot of an abandoned lumber
mill (followed the sound of screeching tires). At first I thought it
was a time trial with exceeding poor drivers until I realized spinning
out on every turn was sort of the point. I\'m too frugal with tires to
get into that.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 23.42.06 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:

On 05/30/2022 10:53 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?

Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
I stumbled onto a drift meet in the parking lot of an abandoned lumber
mill (followed the sound of screeching tires). At first I thought it
was a time trial with exceeding poor drivers until I realized spinning
out on every turn was sort of the point. I\'m too frugal with tires to
get into that.

sometimes sideways is fast https://youtu.be/XzH0etg-UvQ

 

[rbowman]

On 05/30/2022 03:32 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 23.05.21 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:
On 05/30/2022 11:43 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:30 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 18.53.42 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics
who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV
record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m
with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge.
For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to
get
the best times.

To Safeway?
Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
Lots of people seem to love NASCAR can\'t say I really get a big thrill
out of watching cars go \'round in a circle though

I don\'t understand it either, but then I don\'t understand basketball
or football either. Maybe nascar is just a big beer blast.

I expect the beer helps definitely

sure, and standing right next to the track when +30 ginormous V8s at
flat chat pass at 200mph I\'m sure is quite the visceral experience

There used to be a sprint car track near where I grew up I used to go to
as a kid, don\'t know if there\'s a similar sport in Europe but aside from
some modern safety equipment like the modern multi-point harnesses, roll
cages and fuel bladders these cars are seriously bare bones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_car_racing

Sort of like something from the movie \"Mad Max\"
https://americanhistory.si.edu/race-cars/stock-car-1952

That\'s what I grew up with. Most of the cars were coupes from the \'30s
and \'40s converted to a race car under the shade tree. The tracks were
1/4 mile dirt so speeds weren\'t excessive and they were outlaw tracks,
not NASCAR affiliated. Skill and balls, or insanity if you will, was
more important than equipment.

I never got into NASCAR with its purpose built \'stock cars\' costing
thousands of dollars. I went to a Gran Prix race at Watkins Glen once
and that was even more boring than NASCAR.

thousands? a Nascar cup team probably spends tens of millions a year

Well, I didn\'t say how many thousands... I knew it was a lot but was
too lazy to research it and didn\'t want to overstate it.

https://motorracingsports.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-run-a-team-in-nascar/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_(film)

It\'s an offbeat film with Jim Caviezel that I enjoyed based on a true
story. Madison IN is a river town that sponsors an unlimited hydroplane,
Miss Madison, on a shoestring budget. Blow an engine and it\'s done.
Budweiser sponsored the Miss Budweiser with very deep pockets.

They bring the boat to one meet and the scene shows about 8 identical
engines lined up to swap in if the Miss Budweiser blows one up.

They\'re still racing but they\'ve got real sponsors now.

 

[rbowman]

On 05/30/2022 04:00 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 23.42.06 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:
On 05/30/2022 10:53 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 11:24 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2022 08:55:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2022 11:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.


Insane acceleration followed by frantic braking is pretty much what
NASCAR is..in motorsport, at least, that\'s how you have to drive to get
the best times.

To Safeway?

Nah, in motorsports! To get the best times around a track you have to
either be accelerating or decelerating, \"do the math.\" No coasting! Or
at least as little as possible, maybe right at the apex of a turn, idk.

But flooring it out of turns, accelerating down the straight, then
jamming on the brakes (at just the right time) into a turn and then (at
just the right time) flooring it back out of the turn is basically what
a time trial is. When there other cars obviously you have to avoid
hitting them firstly, but that\'s the ideal
I stumbled onto a drift meet in the parking lot of an abandoned lumber
mill (followed the sound of screeching tires). At first I thought it
was a time trial with exceeding poor drivers until I realized spinning
out on every turn was sort of the point. I\'m too frugal with tires to
get into that.

sometimes sideways is fast https://youtu.be/XzH0etg-UvQ

I learned to drive on roads like that and am not adverse to a little
sideways. Fortunately with this Yaris I can turn of the traction and
stability control. I couldn\'t on the previous one and a couple of times
when I got playful I found myself parked in the middle of the road with
the car refusing to move until I drove like an adult. Toyota even has a
note in the owner\'s manual saying stability control doesn\'t work well on
dirt and traction control makes it impossible to rock the car out of snow.

Doing a controlled 4 wheel slide was what I always associated with
\'drift\'. It wasn\'t until I say Tokyo Drift that I realized it had become
an art form. I still think it\'s extreme to turn a FWD Corolla into RWD.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 5:50:40 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:

On 5/29/2022 10:28 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

AFAIK there\'s no officially accredited body that sanctions such a race
and to even get a decent time you have to break most every traffic law
in the book, so who cares? The whole endeavor seems ripe for fraud in
the first place.

So what? This demonstrates the dramatically lower cross-country speed that you can expect driving an EV (assuming that you can even find an EV charging station off of the main highways).

 

[server]

On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:49:28 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 5:50:40 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/29/2022 10:28 PM, Flyguy wrote:
Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge

AFAIK there\'s no officially accredited body that sanctions such a race
and to even get a decent time you have to break most every traffic law
in the book, so who cares? The whole endeavor seems ripe for fraud in
the first place.

So what? This demonstrates the dramatically lower cross-country speed that you can expect driving an EV (assuming that you can even find an EV charging station off of the main highways).

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

There\'s 20 miles of road in this story, too; power lines aren\'t the biggest
connection cost that was jusified here.

 

[server]

On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.





--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:07:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?
Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

It is truly amazing how far people have to reach to find reasons to hate BEVs.

It is hard to find a place where you would want to charge that doesn\'t have sufficient electric service to allow charging. People have to reach deep into the well to find something to complain about. It must be a very unhappy life that makes someone hate so much what others do. No one is making him do anything... at least, not yet. In 15 or so years he\'ll have trouble finding a gas station when they are mostly closed down or turned into laundromats.

Actually, that was something I thought about, might have posted here a few weeks ago. They used to have laundromats with bars for city dwellers. They could do the same thing, but include car charging! lol

I guarantee in just a few years, there will be some very creative businesses based around giving a free charge while you do something fun. Remember drive in movies? There were two in my city and my brother and I always wanted to go to the one that had a playground in front of the screen! They were actually pretty fun for kids. We often fell asleep during the movie though. I seem to recall they had a lot of double features and we hardly ever saw the second one. Even a single feature could put 60 miles on a BEV.

It\'s going to be an interesting BEV world.

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[rbowman]

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.