The Tesla is SLOOOOOWWWWWWWW!...

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.

The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record
The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.


The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.

Exactly, that\'s why it will never happen. The battery is where all the magic is going to happen over the next few years and no BEV maker worth their salt is going to adopt a standard that limits what they can achieve.

Also, no need really. I realized some time ago, the only people complaining about the charging time are those who don\'t own BEVs. Well, and Ed Lee.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:38:15 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.


The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
Exactly, that\'s why it will never happen. The battery is where all the magic is going to happen over the next few years and no BEV maker worth their salt is going to adopt a standard that limits what they can achieve.

I just need a two pins coaxial plug with constant-on 400V, directly from the battery.

> Also, no need really. I realized some time ago, the only people complaining about the charging time are those who don\'t own BEVs. Well, and Ed Lee.

No, Ed Lee never complaint about charging time, just lack of chargers between way-points.
 
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 10:07:59 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

with the \'several weeks\' meaning that the megawatt lines deliver up to
700 MWh

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

However, the \'peak load\' can be less than four Tesla superchargers,
for the hypothetical \'rural gas station\' .

If you really need 20 miles of range, a simple
level 2 charger can deliver that in a little over a half hour, only needs
a dozen kilowatts (not a megawatt) and that gives you time
to enjoy the hot dog (that, hypothetically, is available nearby).

I\'m thinking these numbers are workable. Save the fuel-and-storage
option for REAL distances in uninhabited areas (Antarctica won\'t
be a good economic prospect for automobile chargers this year).
 
On 6/1/2022 12:40 PM, whit3rd wrote:
If you really need 20 miles of range, a simple
level 2 charger can deliver that in a little over a half hour, only needs
a dozen kilowatts (not a megawatt) and that gives you time
to enjoy the hot dog (that, hypothetically, is available nearby).

I\'m thinking these numbers are workable. Save the fuel-and-storage
option for REAL distances in uninhabited areas (Antarctica won\'t
be a good economic prospect for automobile chargers this year).

There are many places in the US where 20 miles wouldn\'t bring you
from one \"fill up\" to the next. E.g., a trip up the mountain and
back would require 60 miles of range -- assuming you could refuel
at the base going and coming. Likewise, you\'d need several stops
on the trip to feenigs.

Kansas? Nebraska? Montana? Idaho? Texas? (i.e., all the
\"big square states\")
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/1/2022 12:40 PM, whit3rd wrote:
If you really need 20 miles of range, a simple
level 2 charger can deliver that in a little over a half hour, only needs
a dozen kilowatts (not a megawatt) and that gives you time
to enjoy the hot dog (that, hypothetically, is available nearby).

I\'m thinking these numbers are workable. Save the fuel-and-storage
option for REAL distances in uninhabited areas (Antarctica won\'t
be a good economic prospect for automobile chargers this year).
There are many places in the US where 20 miles wouldn\'t bring you
from one \"fill up\" to the next. E.g., a trip up the mountain and
back would require 60 miles of range -- assuming you could refuel
at the base going and coming. Likewise, you\'d need several stops
on the trip to feenigs.

Kansas? Nebraska? Montana? Idaho? Texas? (i.e., all the
\"big square states\")

I guess there\'s nobody buying BEVs in Texas. That must be why Tesla moved headquarters there, to promote sales even if they can\'t have sales centers.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
onsdag den 1. juni 2022 kl. 22.43.57 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/1/2022 12:40 PM, whit3rd wrote:
If you really need 20 miles of range, a simple
level 2 charger can deliver that in a little over a half hour, only needs
a dozen kilowatts (not a megawatt) and that gives you time
to enjoy the hot dog (that, hypothetically, is available nearby).

I\'m thinking these numbers are workable. Save the fuel-and-storage
option for REAL distances in uninhabited areas (Antarctica won\'t
be a good economic prospect for automobile chargers this year).
There are many places in the US where 20 miles wouldn\'t bring you
from one \"fill up\" to the next. E.g., a trip up the mountain and
back would require 60 miles of range -- assuming you could refuel
at the base going and coming. Likewise, you\'d need several stops
on the trip to feenigs.

Kansas? Nebraska? Montana? Idaho? Texas? (i.e., all the
\"big square states\")
I guess there\'s nobody buying BEVs in Texas. That must be why Tesla moved headquarters there, to promote sales even if they can\'t have sales centers.

more likely they got a tax break for doing it ....
 
On 2/6/22 00:19, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.

If batteries were standardised (not gonna happen as Ricky points out)
then you don\'t need to own one, and you definitely don\'t need two for
each car - just a swap&go rental system like BBQ gas cylinder exchange.

But since cars are a vanity item (like clothes and accessories) there\'s
no way to standardise a format that imposes strict dimensional and
structural requirements on the chassis.

Clifford Heath
 
On 06/01/2022 08:19 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
Based on years of experience standard sizes are anathema to the
automotive industry. For a brief period DIN radios almost succeeded even
if the harness connections were idiosyncratic but I think the
infotainment devices took care of that.
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:23:15 PM UTC-7, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 00:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
If batteries were standardised (not gonna happen as Ricky points out)
then you don\'t need to own one, and you definitely don\'t need two for
each car - just a swap&go rental system like BBQ gas cylinder exchange.

But since cars are a vanity item (like clothes and accessories) there\'s
no way to standardise a format that imposes strict dimensional and
structural requirements on the chassis.

Clifford Heath

The fixed one can never be standardized, but the removable one can. All we need is a common connector. All other features (charging, moving) are still tie to the fixed one.
 
On 06/01/2022 09:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 5/30/2022 1:56 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 29 May 2022 at 20:20:21 UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2022 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Under the Tesla is Fast thread I posited the question of what the
speed would be of an EV run in the Cannonball Run (coast to coast
speed run). NO ONE answered! Not even the hardcore EV fanatics who
know everything about EVERYTHING. So, I looked it up: the EV record
for the Cannonball Run is held by a Tesla at 51 h 47 m with an
average speed of 56 mph:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/9/15938028/tesla-model-s-cannonball-run-record

The current fossil fuel record is HALF of that time at 25 h 39 m
with an average speed of 110 mph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannonball_Run_challenge
You just don\'t appreciate the charm of insane acceleration alternated
with frantic braking and then waiting a couple of hours to charge. For
FREE!

Actually, the beauty of electric propulsion is that you get much
smoother acceleration and deceleration than with a conventional vehicle.

In most circumstances I don\'t wait for the car to charge at all, it
charges while I\'m asleep or doing something else.

And you don\'t understand how hip it is to drive an ugly car that
occasionally locks you out and catches fire.

The aesthetics of many modern EVs are hardly distinguishable from
conventional vehicles as they have the same goals and we\'ve already
posted evidence that conventional vehicles are much more likely to
catch fire than EVs.
...
kw

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.
 
On 6/1/2022 10:36 PM, rbowman wrote:

It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

For my money some of the \'aggressive\' front end treatments look like the
car was pre-wrecked.

Yeah, they tried making the minivan cool by giving them an \"aggressive\"
front end, four doors and a slight lift (not nearly enough for real
offroading, though) and calling them a \"crossover activity vehicle\" or
\"outdoor lifestyle vehicle\" or something.

It\'s a minivan I\'m sorry
 
On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 16:23:15 UTC-7, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 00:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load.
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
If batteries were standardised (not gonna happen as Ricky points out)
then you don\'t need to own one, and you definitely don\'t need two for
each car - just a swap&go rental system like BBQ gas cylinder exchange.

But since cars are a vanity item (like clothes and accessories) there\'s
no way to standardise a format that imposes strict dimensional and
structural requirements on the chassis.

Clifford Heath

Nio operates more than 1,400 battery swapping stations in China. A battery change takes about three minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Qsi_kSiNw

The car owner does not own the battery.

Tesla did promote battery swapping early on but they didn\'t get a positive response from customers.

kw
 
On 6/1/2022 8:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
> It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

Vehicles are for transportation, not fashion statements. Lots of panel
trucks on the road, should they be \"beautified\"? Pickups? Motorcycles
(c\'mon, can\'t you do something more than just those two/three wheels??)

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing anything
very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your rollerskate?

It\'s actually a station wagon. How many people do you think buy station
wagons for their aesthetic value? They are \"enclosed pickup trucks\";
the only difference being that, unlike pickup owners, SUV drivers actually
*use* that space/volume.
 
On 6/1/2022 11:20 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/1/2022 8:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

Vehicles are for transportation, not fashion statements.  Lots of panel
trucks on the road, should they be \"beautified\"?  Pickups?  Motorcycles
(c\'mon, can\'t you do something more than just those two/three wheels??)

When someone has the money to select a car as a fashion statement they
often tend to become fashion statements. Not everyone has the money to
do that, but BMW and Mercedes et al don\'t sell entirely on their driving
quality and the quality of their German engineering alone. Or Teslas for
that matter.

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your
rollerskate?

It\'s actually a station wagon.  How many people do you think buy station
wagons for their aesthetic value?  They are \"enclosed pickup trucks\";
the only difference being that, unlike pickup owners, SUV drivers actually
*use* that space/volume.

I was thinking more like a minivan but station wagon works.
 
On 6/1/2022 8:44 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/1/2022 11:20 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/1/2022 8:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
It\'s unfair to single out EVs when most vehicles sold are pretty ugly.

Vehicles are for transportation, not fashion statements. Lots of panel
trucks on the road, should they be \"beautified\"? Pickups? Motorcycles
(c\'mon, can\'t you do something more than just those two/three wheels??)

When someone has the money to select a car as a fashion statement they often
tend to become fashion statements. Not everyone has the money to do that, but
BMW and Mercedes et al don\'t sell entirely on their driving quality and the
quality of their German engineering alone. Or Teslas for that matter.

People think of eyeglasses as fashion statements. Q: Do you want to
\"look good\"? Or, \"see well\"?

People buy overpriced items as a show of affluence, not as \"value
statements\". I.e., \"I can afford to have this car perpetually in need
of repair...\"

A friend is thinking of selling/trading his Huracan -- it\'s got almost 1000
miles on it (OhMiGosh! Despair!!).

Would I like to drive it? No, thank you (the idea of someone hitting
me while behind the wheel and the hassles that would entail isn\'t
worth it!)

Would you like to go for a ride? No, thank you (I\'d have to sit on the
ground and LIFT myself into it!)

But, gee, isn\'t it pretty?? <rolls eyes>

The crossover/CUV form factor seems particularly refractory to doing
anything very aesthetically pleasing with. How would you like your rollerskate?

It\'s actually a station wagon. How many people do you think buy station
wagons for their aesthetic value? They are \"enclosed pickup trucks\";
the only difference being that, unlike pickup owners, SUV drivers actually
*use* that space/volume.

I was thinking more like a minivan but station wagon works.

Folks who buy minivans are looking for a different sort of vehicle.

A friend ribs me as SWMBO\'s vehicle has \"too many doors\". OTOH,
he\'d be hard-pressed to transport anything larger than a breadbox
in his vehicle!
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:53:52 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
onsdag den 1. juni 2022 kl. 22.43.57 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/1/2022 12:40 PM, whit3rd wrote:
If you really need 20 miles of range, a simple
level 2 charger can deliver that in a little over a half hour, only needs
a dozen kilowatts (not a megawatt) and that gives you time
to enjoy the hot dog (that, hypothetically, is available nearby).

I\'m thinking these numbers are workable. Save the fuel-and-storage
option for REAL distances in uninhabited areas (Antarctica won\'t
be a good economic prospect for automobile chargers this year).
There are many places in the US where 20 miles wouldn\'t bring you
from one \"fill up\" to the next. E.g., a trip up the mountain and
back would require 60 miles of range -- assuming you could refuel
at the base going and coming. Likewise, you\'d need several stops
on the trip to feenigs.

Kansas? Nebraska? Montana? Idaho? Texas? (i.e., all the
\"big square states\")
I guess there\'s nobody buying BEVs in Texas. That must be why Tesla moved headquarters there, to promote sales even if they can\'t have sales centers.

more likely they got a tax break for doing it ....

I really need to start using sarcasm flags or something.

Tesla sells very well in Texas. Larkin is being his silly self. I don\'t know why he has such a hard on about Tesla. He has been dead set against them since day one. It can\'t have anything to do with the facts, because he literally is in total ignorance of them. He has said things before about how he doesn\'t like Musk. I really think he is jealous of him and so he has to denigrate everything Musk does that is successful... which is pretty much everything he does.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:33:59 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:23:15 PM UTC-7, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 00:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:46:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load..
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
If batteries were standardised (not gonna happen as Ricky points out)
then you don\'t need to own one, and you definitely don\'t need two for
each car - just a swap&go rental system like BBQ gas cylinder exchange.

But since cars are a vanity item (like clothes and accessories) there\'s
no way to standardise a format that imposes strict dimensional and
structural requirements on the chassis.

Clifford Heath
The fixed one can never be standardized, but the removable one can. All we need is a common connector. All other features (charging, moving) are still tie to the fixed one.

Ed, only you would not even understand the concept of a swappable battery, thinking there was some utility to only swapping half of your charging capacity, meaning you have to stop twice as often. But for you, that would be a 400% improvement over what you are doing now.

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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 11:18:07 PM UTC-4, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 16:23:15 UTC-7, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 2/6/22 00:19, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 07:55:30 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On 05/31/2022 11:07 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:10:34 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

At some dinky rural gas startion and hot dog emporium, a gas truck can
show up every few weeks and reload the tanks. It might not be good
economics to run 20 miles of megwatt power lines.

And the gas truck delivers how many megawatt-hours of energy in its
one load of fuel per \'few weeks\'?

Ballpark 200.

One advantage of gasoline is that it stores energy. An electric
charging station doesn\'t. So the feed line has to support peak load..
The gas truck only has to deliver the average load.

Easily replaceable battery packs would solve that problem but I don\'t
see that happening with the current skateboard chassis designs.



The lithium supply will be further stressed when all cars are electric
and there are two battery packs per car.

Swappable battery packs would have to be some standard size and
interface. Possibly several small packs per car or many per truck.
If batteries were standardised (not gonna happen as Ricky points out)
then you don\'t need to own one, and you definitely don\'t need two for
each car - just a swap&go rental system like BBQ gas cylinder exchange.

But since cars are a vanity item (like clothes and accessories) there\'s
no way to standardise a format that imposes strict dimensional and
structural requirements on the chassis.

Clifford Heath
Nio operates more than 1,400 battery swapping stations in China. A battery change takes about three minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Qsi_kSiNw

The car owner does not own the battery.

Tesla did promote battery swapping early on but they didn\'t get a positive response from customers.

Nio has proven that battery swapping could work, except for all the reasons why it doesn\'t. Yes, you can\'t own your battery with battery swapping. But you still have to buy it when you buy the car. Battery swapping has many issues. It\'s not all about the rapid swap. It\'s anathema to night charging because the batteries have to be charged as soon as they are taken out of a car, so they can be ready for their next use. I\'m sure Nio isn\'t going to stock a bazillion batteries, so they can sit around waiting for night utility rates.

This has all been discussed before. What Nio is doing is very much like having gas stations for just one make of autos. The financials just aren\'t there. But we will see. I believe Nio makes cars that do not swap as well, no?

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