PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:59:29 +1030, sijay <sijay@bean.net> wrote:

mark_newton wrote:
pedro wrote:

This idea that Howard is deliberately and maliciously screwing
the 'little people' is a nonsense. Why would he do, or even want
to do, such a thing? What would he hope to gain by it. How could
it benefit him, the Libs, or the country as a whole.

You're joking, yeah?

Lower wages > greater profits > corporate gratitude > more
donations to the Liberal Party...

Wake up to yourself.

You honestly think he is that self-serving and contemptuous of the
Australian public?

Yes. There isn't a pollie who isn't.

And it wouldn't matter how much was donated to the Libs if the public
gets pissed off and votes him out of office.

Big if. If the majority of voters think* as you do...

* I use that term loosely.

Huh? Its a bloody democracy? If IR doesnt work by the next election
Australians will vote his ass out, you dont need to be bloody laurie
oakes to see that coming? All the smear campaigns and multi million
dollar advertising wont save the liberals there - so surely you have to
concede that somewhere in all the policy the Libs think this is good for
the country as a whole?
Click to expand...
Do you really think he cares? He will retire just before the next
election and leave Costello to take the fall for the IR reforms.

---
Garbage In, Gospel Out
---

David Johnson
usenet.at.trainman.id.au
http://www.trainman.id.au
------------------------------------
These comments are made in a private
capacity and do not represent the
official view of RailCorp.
 
Horace Wachope . wrote:

Huh? Its a bloody democracy? If IR doesnt work by the next
election Australians will vote his ass out, you dont need to be
bloody laurie oakes to see that coming? All the smear campaigns
and multi million dollar advertising wont save the liberals there
- so surely you have to concede that somewhere in all the policy
the Libs think this is good for the country as a whole?

Do you really think he cares? He will retire just before the next
election and leave Costello to take the fall for the IR reforms.

That wasn't the question. "Surely you have to concede that somewhere
in all the policy THE LIBS think this is good for the country as a
whole?"
Click to expand...
The answer is still no. The Libs will do what's good for the Libs, and
the ALP will do what's good for the ALP. They'll both *fuck the country
good*, on the whole.
 
bruce varley wrote:
Hi, Trying to download datasheets from the Microchip website and getting
nowhere. I click on the PDF icon, the browser says it's downloading, but
nothing more happens for quite a while (up to hours). Is there something I
need to know or is this just a case of waiting longer? TIA
Click to expand...
You should be right clicking on the PDF link to save the file locally,
and then open with Acrobat reader once it's done. That way you get a
nice download progress display and no browser window hogging. If you
just click on the link then the PDF will open into the viewer in your
browser and that is notoriously bad for large files.
Best to keep a directory on your drive just for PDFs, and seperate into
categories etc, keeps'em nice and handy.

Dave :)
 
Try right clicking the icon and chosing Save As... you'll at least see a
progress bar showing what its up to .. that to me sounds like its stalled
the way it is tho ..


"bruce varley" <bxvarley@weqstnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:43be0e90@quokka.wn.com.au...
Hi, Trying to download datasheets from the Microchip website and getting
nowhere. I click on the PDF icon, the browser says it's downloading, but
nothing more happens for quite a while (up to hours). Is there something I
need to know or is this just a case of waiting longer? TIA
Click to expand...
 
bruce varley wrote:
Hi, Trying to download datasheets from the Microchip website and getting
nowhere. I click on the PDF icon, the browser says it's downloading, but
nothing more happens for quite a while (up to hours). Is there something I
need to know or is this just a case of waiting longer? TIA
Click to expand...
Something wrong at your end, works here - just d/l one in less than 30
sec....
 
"Parmin" <rajabetawi@hotmailspam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9743B5C92596FArt@203.26.24.228...
OMG
its the 6th of January.. and I have not leave Sydney

I must be dead :)
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Yep, that'd be the only reason to not leave Sydney.

Ken
 
"The Doctor" <doctor@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9743E0DE1BF11docwhoATbigpondDOTne@61.9.191.5...
Hi all,

I have heard it before that even the digital clock on DVD players
or microwave ovens can add up to a fair bit of power. How much power
do they typically draw? Are there any plans by major manufacturers to
reduce that?
Click to expand...
Yep , they are going to use sundials .
 
"The Doctor" <doctor@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9743E0DE1BF11docwhoATbigpondDOTne@61.9.191.5...
Hi all,

I have heard it before that even the digital clock on DVD players
or microwave ovens can add up to a fair bit of power. How much power
do they typically draw? Are there any plans by major manufacturers to
reduce that?
Click to expand...
Are you talking about the displays? because the actually clock chips and
crystals can keep the time drawing just a few uA at 3.3V so power is like 8
microwatt.

small LCD display (2x 16 characters) draws most power from the backlight
which is usually 100mA at 5V, 0.5W.

In a day then its 12w hours. Compared to a 100W light globe of 2400w hours.

So LCD clock running all day is about equal to 8 minutes of a light.

Of course most clock LCD will draw a lot less than 0.5W, probably typically
0.1 or 0.2W.
 
"The Doctor" <doctor@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Dand" <dand@dand.net.au> wrote in
news:43be748d$0$10679$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:


"The Doctor" <doctor@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9743E0DE1BF11docwhoATbigpondDOTne@61.9.191.5...
Hi all,

I have heard it before that even the digital clock on DVD players
or microwave ovens can add up to a fair bit of power. How much power
do they typically draw? Are there any plans by major manufacturers to
reduce that?

Are you talking about the displays? because the actually clock chips
and crystals can keep the time drawing just a few uA at 3.3V so power
is like 8 microwatt.

small LCD display (2x 16 characters) draws most power from the
backlight
which is usually 100mA at 5V, 0.5W.

In a day then its 12w hours. Compared to a 100W light globe of 2400w
hours.

So LCD clock running all day is about equal to 8 minutes of a light.

Of course most clock LCD will draw a lot less than 0.5W, probably
typically 0.1 or 0.2W.

Ok, but 12WH per household. I still think you can save a fair bit for
a city.
Click to expand...
**Sure, but not by switching off clocks. Switching to Solar hot water would
almost halve domestic power consumption. Now THAT is significant.

Surely the question is what are they used for. Are most people
that organised to prepare their meal and have the microwave start before
they get home etc. etc.?
Click to expand...
**Again, you're attacking an almost non-existent problem, whilst ignoring
the major issue. Heating (including hot water) and cooling are THE major
power consumption areas. Then cooking. Lighting is next, followed by all the
other stuff. Hot water, on it's own, represents between 30% and 50% of the
average electricity usage (assuming electric off-peak).


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
http://eetd.lbl.gov/EA/Reports/42108/
http://www.eci.ox.ac.uk/lowercf/pdfdownloads/ECEEE01_jv.pdf
 
I know that here in WA supply capacity is a "potential" problem during
hot weather, but standby power consumption is not an issue for peak
demand calculations but rather part of a push for overall energy
efficiency in the home.

see it as that home x millions x year after year after year.

clocks in various appliances are often on different times or flashing
00:00 and are a TOTAL waste of energy, and if you are not there to see
the time, what is the point of its existence?


"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:ywIvf.13192$vH5.677589@news.xtra.co.nz...
:
: "Ed -" <spam-me@nsa.gov> wrote in message
: news:dpnasc$m49$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
: > Energy saving tip #6: The Phantom Load!
______________________________
: > Want to chill out and watch a movie? It's a great idea and easy to
do,
: > considering the typical family owns two televisions, one VCR or DVD
: > player and a cable/satellite or game system box. Those appliances
have a
: > combined energy consumption of about 500 kilowatts for one year,
which
: > is more than an energy efficient refrigerator.
: >
: Forgive me, but this is about 1.4kW per day; that's a whole lot of
devices
: at the stated 4.5W each. If you had 20 such devices it'd still only be
less
: than 400kWhr per year. And how much would you save? Are you paying
$0.15 per
: kWhr? What's that - $60?? Scale it by your real cost of power and see
if
: it's worthwhile.
:
: It's a total crock, put out by bureaucrats who get a pass mark for
putting
: out edicts telling people how to run their lives, rather than doing
: something useful, like increasing supply capacity where needed.
:
: Ken
:
:
 
Ed - wrote:
I know that here in WA supply capacity is a "potential" problem during
hot weather, but standby power consumption is not an issue for peak
demand calculations but rather part of a push for overall energy
efficiency in the home.

see it as that home x millions x year after year after year.

clocks in various appliances are often on different times or flashing
00:00 and are a TOTAL waste of energy, and if you are not there to see
the time, what is the point of its existence?

Granted, but that's not the entirety of the issue. The amount of extra
Click to expand...
energy by having a clock function on the appliance is insignificant
given that it won't be switched off at the wall anyway. People just
*aren't* going to reach around and turn the things off at the wall. Do you??

What's the % of power to be saved here, compared to efficiencies to be
gained by using energy efficient appliances and homes/buildings, greater
use of solar heating, and back-feeding to the grid? What about
commercial lighting left on inappropriately? The bureaucratic easy-fix
is a crock.

Cheers.

Ken
 
"Ed -" <spam-me@nsa.gov> wrote in message
news:dpnqsd$ef7$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
I know that here in WA supply capacity is a "potential" problem during
hot weather, but standby power consumption is not an issue for peak
demand calculations but rather part of a push for overall energy
efficiency in the home.

see it as that home x millions x year after year after year.

clocks in various appliances are often on different times or flashing
00:00 and are a TOTAL waste of energy, and if you are not there to see
the time, what is the point of its existence?
Click to expand...
I hope your not a 12 oclock flasher !!!!!!!!!!

"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:ywIvf.13192$vH5.677589@news.xtra.co.nz...
:
: "Ed -" <spam-me@nsa.gov> wrote in message
: news:dpnasc$m49$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
: > Energy saving tip #6: The Phantom Load!
______________________________
: > Want to chill out and watch a movie? It's a great idea and easy to
do,
: > considering the typical family owns two televisions, one VCR or DVD
: > player and a cable/satellite or game system box. Those appliances
have a
: > combined energy consumption of about 500 kilowatts for one year,
which
: > is more than an energy efficient refrigerator.
:
: Forgive me, but this is about 1.4kW per day; that's a whole lot of
devices
: at the stated 4.5W each. If you had 20 such devices it'd still only be
less
: than 400kWhr per year. And how much would you save? Are you paying
$0.15 per
: kWhr? What's that - $60?? Scale it by your real cost of power and see
if
: it's worthwhile.
:
: It's a total crock, put out by bureaucrats who get a pass mark for
putting
: out edicts telling people how to run their lives, rather than doing
: something useful, like increasing supply capacity where needed.
:
: Ken
:
:
Click to expand...
 
"Ken Taylor" <ken123@xxxxtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:zgKvf.13215$vH5.678331@news.xtra.co.nz...
: Ed - wrote:
: > I know that here in WA supply capacity is a "potential" problem
during
: > hot weather, but standby power consumption is not an issue for peak
: > demand calculations but rather part of a push for overall energy
: > efficiency in the home.
: >
: > see it as that home x millions x year after year after year.
: >
: > clocks in various appliances are often on different times or
flashing
: > 00:00 and are a TOTAL waste of energy, and if you are not there to
see
: > the time, what is the point of its existence?
: >
: Granted, but that's not the entirety of the issue. The amount of extra
: energy by having a clock function on the appliance is insignificant
: given that it won't be switched off at the wall anyway. People just
: *aren't* going to reach around and turn the things off at the wall. Do
you??
:
: What's the % of power to be saved here, compared to efficiencies to be
: gained by using energy efficient appliances and homes/buildings,
greater
: use of solar heating, and back-feeding to the grid? What about
: commercial lighting left on inappropriately? The bureaucratic easy-fix
: is a crock.
:
: Cheers.
:
: Ken

domestic peak demand is around 9pm, long after the backfeed from solar
panels has ceased, but the "insignificant" standby waste is on 24H/day,
burning extra coal and producing tonnes of CO2. An "energy efficient
appliance"s in my book is one which doesn't consume when it is not
being used.
eg: an electric kettle is efficient, a VCR or TV or VCD is not
efficient.
 
"Chris Jones" <lugnut808@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11rvn2hq4kn3a93@corp.supernews.com...
Ken Taylor wrote:

Ed - wrote:
I know that here in WA supply capacity is a "potential" problem during
hot weather, but standby power consumption is not an issue for peak
demand calculations but rather part of a push for overall energy
efficiency in the home.

see it as that home x millions x year after year after year.

clocks in various appliances are often on different times or flashing
00:00 and are a TOTAL waste of energy, and if you are not there to see
the time, what is the point of its existence?

Granted, but that's not the entirety of the issue. The amount of extra
energy by having a clock function on the appliance is insignificant
given that it won't be switched off at the wall anyway. People just
*aren't* going to reach around and turn the things off at the wall. Do
you??

What's the % of power to be saved here, compared to efficiencies to be
gained by using energy efficient appliances and homes/buildings, greater
use of solar heating, and back-feeding to the grid? What about
commercial lighting left on inappropriately? The bureaucratic easy-fix
is a crock.

Cheers.

Ken

In the life of many microwave ovens more than 50% of the energy would be
used in running the clock, and less than 50% in running the microwave
part.
Get yourself a good energy meter and try it in your house. Obviously if
you use the microwave to cook 50 dinners every day then this will not be
the case for you but it is often true. Still TVs are probably far more
wasteful than microwave ovens.

The real problem is getting the appliance manufacturer to install a 240V
rated switch before the power supply where they would prefer to install a
low voltage switch after the power supply. Most portable radios have this
problem even though they don't have a display to power.

Insulating houses better and using solar hot water are more important uses
of effort, but when a TV + set top box can use 50 Watts all the time, and
if there is another 150 Watts of phantom loads around the house, the
energy
use adds up to quite a lot over the years. It only goes unnoticed because
electric power is so cheap.

Chris
Click to expand...
Quick calculation here - an 800W microwave on for, say, 30 min's a day.
That's 1/50th of the day - is the clock going to consume 16W? Maybe, but I
doubt it (OP referenced an article which I admittedly bagged which suggested
4.5W for the clocks, so there's a comparism). And it doesn't matter if the
unused clock is in a TV, a VCR or a microwave - if it's unused, it's
wasteful. Interesting point though - how much power does a 'normal' TV use
in standby? Must find a spec.....

I don't really have a beef with the idea of not using power when it isn't
required, but if these facilities aren't required, then they shouldn't be
put in. In fact, since the energy-conscious people feel so strongly, they
should invest in producing and selling appliances which don't have the
clocks and so forth, and which power down after some interval or incident so
that they have to be powered up again. Let's see if these appliances sell
better than the current crop.

I'd suggest not - people want gizmos and ease-of-use, and getting up off
your arse and switching something back on just isn't going to cut it. The
idea of going over and switching off (or unplugging, for Christ's sake!) at
the wall is just ludicrous. It's a waste of time to even suggest this
nonsense and devalues the idea of total energy conservation. We should be
paying attention to the major issues of our power problems, not pissing
about the edges, easy though it is to talk about it.

As for power being cheap - do *you* want to pay more? And the fact that the
peak occurs at night is irrelevant too - the idea is to gain total systemic
efficiencies, which just isn't occurring now.

Cheers.

Ken
 
Ken Taylor wrote:

I don't really have a beef with the idea of not using power when it
isn't required, but if these facilities aren't required, then they
shouldn't be put in. In fact, since the energy-conscious people feel
so strongly, they should invest in producing and selling appliances
which don't have the clocks and so forth, and which power down after
some interval or incident so that they have to be powered up again.
Let's see if these appliances sell better than the current crop.
Click to expand...


I thought those cheap two knob microwaves: timer and power setting were
only turned on when the timer knob was set. These would use no
quiescient current you'd think.
 
matt2-amstereo wrote:
I live in a house built about 20years ago, Yesterday i decided that
the BC light fitting had to be changed in the kitchen The existing
light output is dismal even with a daylight CF.

So i changed it for a 4' fluro. the wiring in this house uses a
standalone earth cable (2core red/black for power and single lead
beside it for ground) so i unscrewed the BC holder, screwed the 4' up
and wired it up with red (which had 2 leads) to brown, black to blue
and standalone black to ground, all was good, re-set the breaker and
the light came on even tho the switch was OFF. thought this was
strange, so pulled the tube out to shut light off over night, come
this morning, i sought out to investigate what was going on.. I
removed the switch from the wall, this is where i discovered, THEY
USED BLACK AS THE ACTIVE SWITCHED.... this is a single switch fitting.

what i had was active switched to the shell of the fitting, neutral to
its spot and the red pair on active.

Im surprised that the shell didnt arc out or do anything nasty, and
that the house used BLACK as an active,... good thing we have fast
acting breakers, thats all i can say.....

Is it normal for black to be used with active power?
Click to expand...
I thought the convention was that power is run to the fitting, the neutral
and earth connected and the active run to the switch and back. If the power
is at the switch perhaps it wasn't a professional installation?
 
what i had was active switched to the shell of the fitting, neutral to
its spot and the red pair on active.

Im surprised that the shell didnt arc out or do anything nasty, and that
the house used BLACK as an active,... good thing we have fast acting
breakers, thats all i can say.....

Is it normal for black to be used with active power?
Click to expand...
I don't really follow what happened. Is your entire house black on the
active? Or did they just use some black cable for a single switch?
 
no, just this switch, its back to back with another light switch on the
other side that switches active through a red feeder to the fitting. i
had a look at it, cause i assumed the switch had gone dodgy, as if the
contacts had stuck closed, but imediatly i saw that the only thing dodgy
was the use of a black feeder to this one light fixture.

the usual convention is to have the active/neut cable feed to the lamp
with the switch in line with the active. the oposite switch is done
right, this one calls for the unswitched active to join on a spare (un
used)screw connection in the lamp fixture which is available in BC lamp
fittings but unavailable in fluro housing, which only have provision on
the terminal block for active neutral and earth, therefor this extra
unswitched feed needs to enter the fluro fitting (being in the same
jacket that the neutral lives in) and be capped off so that a)it doesnt
touch anything and b) so feed can continue to the remainder of
lamps/switches on this circuit, Is this normal?
 
matt2-amstereo wrote:
no, just this switch, its back to back with another light switch on the
other side that switches active through a red feeder to the fitting. i
had a look at it, cause i assumed the switch had gone dodgy, as if the
contacts had stuck closed, but imediatly i saw that the only thing dodgy
was the use of a black feeder to this one light fixture.

the usual convention is to have the active/neut cable feed to the lamp
with the switch in line with the active. the oposite switch is done
right, this one calls for the unswitched active to join on a spare (un
used)screw connection in the lamp fixture which is available in BC lamp
fittings but unavailable in fluro housing, which only have provision on
the terminal block for active neutral and earth, therefor this extra
unswitched feed needs to enter the fluro fitting (being in the same
jacket that the neutral lives in) and be capped off so that a)it doesnt
touch anything and b) so feed can continue to the remainder of
lamps/switches on this circuit, Is this normal?
turns out this type of wiring setup (using the black leading from switch
Click to expand...
to lamp is common in the UK and the circuit is deemed a 'ring' , ive
seem flats and houses at the pre-skin stage and looking at that wiring,
they seem to use the more power-switch-lamp method instead of the
power-lamp-switch-lamp this place seems set up with...

must be an old technique from our british roots or somthing
 
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