PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Joe Kotroczo]

On 9/08/08 0:05, in article g7ifv3$em2$1@registered.motzarella.org, "William
Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
news:4i1nk.177239$Lc6.30625@newsfe18.ams2...

A woman was taken to court in the UK recently and fined for displaying a
toy golliwog in the window of the charity shop it had been donated to.

Cite please...

Might not be the same incident:

<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442509/Police-seize-golliwogs-racis
m-probe.html>

--
Joe Kotroczo kotroczo@mac.com

 

[Phildo]

"Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo@mac.com> wrote in message
news:C4C27BDC.5EBA5%kotroczo@mac.com...

About ten huge muthafucka "wogs" come around and "visit" the client
and
urge him to see the error of his ways.

What I object to is the "hiring other people" bit. Having a face-to-face
is
one thing, having other people do it for you on the other hand...

Hot Chip readily admits he is one of the aforementioned "wogs" so would
merely be bringing some of his friends along when he goes to visit Mr
Assillon. Of course if Mr Chip couldn't be there in person I am sure plenty
of his friends would be more than happy to teach Phil a lesson once they
read his racist bile. No hiring of other people involved.

Phildo

 

[TT]

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
news:ww5nk.126628$8w4.32591@newsfe30.ams2...

"Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo@mac.com> wrote in message
news:C4C27BDC.5EBA5%kotroczo@mac.com...
About ten huge muthafucka "wogs" come around and "visit" the client
and
urge him to see the error of his ways.

What I object to is the "hiring other people" bit. Having a face-to-face
is
one thing, having other people do it for you on the other hand...

Hot Chip readily admits he is one of the aforementioned "wogs" so would
merely be bringing some of his friends along when he goes to visit Mr
Assillon. Of course if Mr Chip couldn't be there in person I am sure
plenty of his friends would be more than happy to teach Phil a lesson once
they read his racist bile. No hiring of other people involved.

Phildo
For the record I did go and visit our friend here but he would neither

answer his door or his phone and I could not gain entry to the secure
complex to tap on his door! He never even answered my polite message I left
on his answering machine. So I had photos taken of me standing out the
front of his dingy little block of flats instead. BTW I live 4,000km away
from him so he probably never expected me to drop by and have a polite chat
with him about his smutty little mouth!

What these abusive little Trolls must realise is that Usenet is not a free
for all where you can insult, malign, abuse, ridicules, libel and defame
without impunity from the law or other forms of retribution.

It is not my intent to incite violence here but because the law does not
allow for legal prosecution to place in these instances other ways must be
found to press the point home to an individual that his behaviour is
antisocial and will not be tolerated by society.

Previously I have even proposed a class action by interested people that
have been targeted by Philthy on Usenet to see if we could get some sort of
restraining order to prevent him having access to Usenet. So if there are
any "legal eagles" out there reading this now's your chance? Here is an
idea. What if everyone who Philthy has abused on Usenet put in US$10
towards the fighting fund? That would give someone a "shit load" of money
to play with!

Cheers TT

 

[Eeyore]

Phildo wrote:

"Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo@mac.com> wrote
"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote:
" Hot Chip" <Hot Chip@gmail.com> wrote in message

Phil is like most people with mental health issues in that they do not
think they have a problem. We have another poster on AAPLS who is a
poster child for Paranoid Personality Disorder but even though their
behaviour is completely irrational they cannot see it themselves.
Hardest
step in getting treatment is admitting you have a problem in the first
place. In the UK you can be sectioned, in the US those that care about
you can do an intervention, no idea if you have anything similar in
Australia.

Yeah they do have something similar.

About ten huge muthafucka "wogs" come around and "visit" the client and
urge him to see the error of his ways.

Apparently the success rate is startling.

Maybe something like this can be arranged? After all, we now have his
address. Personally I would prefer he get professional psychiatric help
but right now anything to get him to modify his online behaviour is pretty

much justified.

"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others."
(Isocrates)

[Fri'it] knew from experience that true and obvious ideas, such as the
ineffable wisdom and judgement of the Great God Om, seemed so obscure to
many people that you actually had to kill them before they saw the error of
their ways...

(Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)

While I agree a good kicking would only reinforce the racist views Mr
Assillon has, in the absence of any other way to educate him that his
comments are offensive & illegal, I would rather have him receive a painful
and quick education which will instil enough fear in him that he stops his
rascist abuse than allow him to carry on posting his bile. Normally I abhor
violence but in his case it is well-deserved.

You may actually be right. I likewise abhor violence but I do recall an
instance when one guy I still know quite well could be an utter pest sometimes.
One day he excelled himself after a gig.

2 of us pinned him to the stage riser with a mic stand whilst one other sprayed
his balls with a CO2 fire extinguisher !

He smartened up a LOT after that. I can still recall him simply sliding to the
floor after the event but we had done no real physical harm to him.

In Allison's case, if he doesn't smarten up, a mass complaint to his ISP might
have an effect.

Graham

 

[TT]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D4572.ED19394A@hotmail.com...

You may actually be right. I likewise abhor violence but I do recall an
instance when one guy I still know quite well could be an utter pest
sometimes.
One day he excelled himself after a gig.

2 of us pinned him to the stage riser with a mic stand whilst one other
sprayed
his balls with a CO2 fire extinguisher !

He smartened up a LOT after that. I can still recall him simply sliding to
the
floor after the event but we had done no real physical harm to him.

In Allison's case, if he doesn't smarten up, a mass complaint to his ISP
might
have an effect.

Graham

Two things of note here Graham:

1) Philthy's ISP doesn't care as long as his credit card is valid and also
they have had many complaints and some were even TPG subscribers as well.

2) Philthy is a dickless, ball-less wonder so forget the fire extinguisher
;-) If you do want to try it will only take one of you and that would be
with one arm tied behind your back.

Also if Ruff would join in and confirm this he was going to drive the
1000km odd from Melbourne to Sydney to see Philthy and drag him outside and
kick the shit out of him but Philthy rang him and after bleating on the
phone for mercy persuaded Ruff not to do it :-(

Cheers TT

 

[Eeyore]

William Black wrote:

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote

A woman was taken to court in the UK recently and fined for displaying a
toy golliwog in the window of the charity shop it had been donated to.

Cite please...

Crikey, that'll be a difficult one to search for but I'll try. I do recall the
case though.

It was a guy who owned the shop though. Ah, bless Google.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23389075-details/Golliwogs+seized+in+racism+charges/article.do

In the end he apparently wasn't fined but this isn't the first example of this
kind of idiotic namby-pamby political correctness I've seen reported.

" The Commission for Racial Equality said the question of whether golliwogs
were considered racist depended on the context in which they were displayed.

"Some people might find them offensive, some people might not," said a
spokesman "


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Joe Kotroczo wrote:

"William Black" wrote:
"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote

A woman was taken to court in the UK recently and fined for displaying a
toy golliwog in the window of the charity shop it had been donated to.

Cite please...

Might not be the same incident:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442509/Police-seize-golliwogs-racis
m-probe.html

That's the one.

Then there was they guy in Liverpool ? who had his home raided by an armed
police team for having a life size model of Lara Croft (used a sales promotion
tool for PC games) in his house because she was carrying a 'gun'.

Apparently under newish laws a 'replica gun' may be treated as a real one.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

Previously I have even proposed a class action by interested people that
have been targeted by Philthy on Usenet to see if we could get some sort of
restraining order to prevent him having access to Usenet. So if there are
any "legal eagles" out there reading this now's your chance? Here is an
idea. What if everyone who Philthy has abused on Usenet put in US$10
towards the fighting fund? That would give someone a "shit load" of money
to play with!

If every one of his many 'victims' sent a *well-worded* complaint to his ISP
with full details, I doubt his connection would last very long. No cost involved
other than your time.

Abuse of AUP (acceptable use policy) and TOS (terms of service) are taken
seriously by major ISPs.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

You may actually be right. I likewise abhor violence but I do recall an
instance when one guy I still know quite well could be an utter pest
sometimes. One day he excelled himself after a gig.

2 of us pinned him to the stage riser with a mic stand whilst one other
sprayed his balls with a CO2 fire extinguisher !

He smartened up a LOT after that. I can still recall him simply sliding to
the floor after the event but we had done no real physical harm to him.

In Allison's case, if he doesn't smarten up, a mass complaint to his ISP
might have an effect.


Two things of note here Graham:

1) Philthy's ISP doesn't care as long as his credit card is valid and also
they have had many complaints and some were even TPG subscribers as well.

I'm surprised at that. Did you examine the AUP and TOS clauses so as to
determine which section(s) he might be in breach of ?

2) Philthy is a dickless, ball-less wonder so forget the fire extinguisher

LOL !

;-) If you do want to try it will only take one of you and that would be
with one arm tied behind your back.

LMAO !

Also if Ruff would join in and confirm this he was going to drive the
1000km odd from Melbourne to Sydney to see Philthy and drag him outside and
kick the shit out of him but Philthy rang him and after bleating on the
phone for mercy persuaded Ruff not to do it :-(

I prefer the legal route myself. Over the weekend I'll see what I can find out
about his ISP's AUP and TOS.

Do you have an official telecoms regulator in Oz btw ?

Graham

 

[TT]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D4E44.CF88C7ED@hotmail.com...

TT wrote:

Previously I have even proposed a class action by interested people that
have been targeted by Philthy on Usenet to see if we could get some sort
of
restraining order to prevent him having access to Usenet. So if there
are
any "legal eagles" out there reading this now's your chance? Here is an
idea. What if everyone who Philthy has abused on Usenet put in US$10
towards the fighting fund? That would give someone a "shit load" of
money
to play with!

If every one of his many 'victims' sent a *well-worded* complaint to his
ISP
with full details, I doubt his connection would last very long. No cost
involved
other than your time.

Abuse of AUP (acceptable use policy) and TOS (terms of service) are taken
seriously by major ISPs.

Graham

Here's the deal, you ring them up and you talk to them. Then when they tell
you Philthy uses an anonymous remailer from the Berlin University and they
can't be certain (Ha!!) it is really him then you come back here and
apologise to me and say I told you so.

Don't you think that any of this has been tried before? Or do you think we
(Australians) actually want this idiot giving us all a bad name?

I even had a lengthy discussion with my own ISP about this to see what
could be done regarding Philthy's ISP. At the end of the day TPG (Philthy's
ISP) do not care and only want his money as long as Philthy is not breaking
the law in this country.

Regards TT

 

[TT]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D4FF8.5E24D7FB@hotmail.com...

I prefer the legal route myself. Over the weekend I'll see what I can find
out
about his ISP's AUP and TOS.

Do you have an official telecoms regulator in Oz btw ?

Graham

I have answered this elsewhere but to save you looking here is ours

http://www.tio.com.au/

I still am led to believe it is a waste of time but I have not personally
complained to these guys *yet*!

Cheers TT

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
TT wrote:

Previously I have even proposed a class action by interested people that
have been targeted by Philthy on Usenet to see if we could get some sort
of restraining order to prevent him having access to Usenet. So if there
are any "legal eagles" out there reading this now's your chance? Here is
an
idea. What if everyone who Philthy has abused on Usenet put in US$10
towards the fighting fund? That would give someone a "shit load" of
money to play with!

If every one of his many 'victims' sent a *well-worded* complaint to his
ISP with full details, I doubt his connection would last very long. No cost
involved other than your time.

Abuse of AUP (acceptable use policy) and TOS (terms of service) are taken
seriously by major ISPs.


Here's the deal, you ring them up and you talk to them.

Or I'll email them to get the basic TOS and AUP.

Then when they tell you Philthy uses an anonymous remailer from the Berlin
University

Not that one again ? I've crossed swords with them before.

and they can't be certain (Ha!!) it is really him then you come back here and
apologise to me and say I told you so.

Don't you think that any of this has been tried before? Or do you think we
(Australians) actually want this idiot giving us all a bad name?

I'm sure you've done your very best.

I don't want to 'crow' too much, but by talking to the right people I've had
posters taken out that were using well known anonymisers. I even had one poster
terminated overnight by talking to to the webmaster at her ISP and explaining
the situation.

I even had a lengthy discussion with my own ISP about this to see what
could be done regarding Philthy's ISP. At the end of the day TPG (Philthy's
ISP) do not care and only want his money as long as Philthy is not breaking
the law in this country.

That's why I asked if you have a telecoms regulator ? Do you ?

There also may be breaches of common law involved btw - in which case you could
ask for a state prosecution.


Graham

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

Also if Ruff would join in and confirm this he was going to drive the
1000km odd from Melbourne to Sydney to see Philthy and drag him outside and
kick the shit out of him but Philthy rang him and after bleating on the
phone for mercy persuaded Ruff not to do it :-(

That's actually quite funny.

You know I've always fancied seeing Oz and I'm a big lad. 6 foot tall and 48"
chest.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

I prefer the legal route myself. Over the weekend I'll see what I can find
out about his ISP's AUP and TOS.

Do you have an official telecoms regulator in Oz btw ?

I have answered this elsewhere but to save you looking here is ours

http://www.tio.com.au/

I still am led to believe it is a waste of time but I have not personally
complained to these guys *yet*!

Thanks for the lead anyway. I may lose it in my crazy workplace so please don't
feel offended if I ask for it again.

Graham

 

[TT]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D56F1.C3A42DA5@hotmail.com...

Then when they tell you Philthy uses an anonymous remailer from the
Berlin
University

Not that one again ? I've crossed swords with them before.

That is an advantage.

and they can't be certain (Ha!!) it is really him then you come back here
and
apologise to me and say I told you so.

Don't you think that any of this has been tried before? Or do you think
we
(Australians) actually want this idiot giving us all a bad name?

I'm sure you've done your very best.

I do believe I have.

I don't want to 'crow' too much, but by talking to the right people I've
had
posters taken out that were using well known anonymisers. I even had one
poster
terminated overnight by talking to to the webmaster at her ISP and
explaining
the situation.


I even had a lengthy discussion with my own ISP about this to see what
could be done regarding Philthy's ISP. At the end of the day TPG
(Philthy's
ISP) do not care and only want his money as long as Philthy is not
breaking
the law in this country.

That's why I asked if you have a telecoms regulator ? Do you ?

http://www.tio.com.au/ I have not contacted them on this matter as they are

more concerned with billing and scams.

There also may be breaches of common law involved btw - in which case you
could
ask for a state prosecution.

Our police are overworked and understaffed they really don't care about

mouthy little turds at a computer terminal.

Graham

BTW I do genuinely wish you all the best in this but honestly I have given

it a pretty good go. I am just so frustrated with the whole system here.
If I touch him I am in trouble, if I spend money and take on a lawyer for a
civil action the advice I had (from the lawyer) is it will cost me a lot and
I will definitely fail to recoup expenses. Philthy has *nothing*. He rents
a bed-sit, doesn't own a car (doesn't even have a license) and has some
meagre possessions which includes some kit speakers, a Sony CDP101 and a
guitar amp.

Also if you notice he doesn't actually abuse people that live in Sydney
because he knows they would drive around to see him. So he picks on people
at a distance and this is why he thinks he is invincible.

Cheers TT

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

Here's the deal, you ring them up and you talk to them. Then when they tell
you Philthy uses an anonymous remailer from the Berlin University and they
can't be certain (Ha!!) it is really him then you come back here and
apologise to me and say I told you so.

You mean ........
http://www.fu-berlin.de/

Yes, I've battled with them before. The trick (amongst others) is to appeal to
the Chancellor of the University.

Graham

 

[TT]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D5B29.37B72F3E@hotmail.com...

http://www.tio.com.au/

I still am led to believe it is a waste of time but I have not personally
complained to these guys *yet*!

Thanks for the lead anyway. I may lose it in my crazy workplace so please
don't
feel offended if I ask for it again.

Always happy to oblige I have reposted it on the other discussion we

are having about the same thing. That makes no sense at all, does it? ;-)

Cheers TT

 

[William Black]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D4AF5.4BFEB79D@hotmail.com...

Joe Kotroczo wrote:

"William Black" wrote:
"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote

A woman was taken to court in the UK recently and fined for displaying
a
toy golliwog in the window of the charity shop it had been donated to.

Cite please...

Might not be the same incident:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-442509/Police-seize-golliwogs-racis
m-probe.html

That's the one.

No prosecution there.

It being a Daily Mail story it may not even have happened.

Then there was they guy in Liverpool ? who had his home raided by an armed
police team for having a life size model of Lara Croft (used a sales
promotion
tool for PC games) in his house because she was carrying a 'gun'.

Apparently under newish laws a 'replica gun' may be treated as a real one.

Well no.

Someone saw a shadow through a window of someone holding a gun and called
the cops.

Rob a bank with a replica and you get treated exactly as if you used a real
one.

Why do you think this is a bad idea?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

 

[Eeyore]

TT wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

There also may be breaches of common law involved btw - in which case you
could ask for a state prosecution.

Our police are overworked and understaffed they really don't care about
mouthy little turds at a computer terminal.

How about 40-50 complaints ?

Graham

 

[William Black]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:489D49AA.BFC5C044@hotmail.com...

William Black wrote:

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote

A woman was taken to court in the UK recently and fined for displaying
a
toy golliwog in the window of the charity shop it had been donated to.

Cite please...

Crikey, that'll be a difficult one to search for but I'll try. I do recall
the
case though.

It was a guy who owned the shop though. Ah, bless Google.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23389075-details/Golliwogs+seized+in+racism+charges/article.do

In the end he apparently wasn't fined but this isn't the first example of
this
kind of idiotic namby-pamby political correctness I've seen reported.

" The Commission for Racial Equality said the question of whether
golliwogs
were considered racist depended on the context in which they were
displayed.

"Some people might find them offensive, some people might not," said a
spokesman "

That's because some racist shits put them in their shop windows set up so
they look as if they're shagging.

If anyone complains they say "Well, you can't stop 'em can you..."

Then, when someone objects, the telephone the Daily Mail...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.