Oxygen Free Cables

[Phil Allison]

"Eiron"

Phil Allison

The Quad manuals say that an ESL is between 30 and 15 ohms from 40Hz to
8KHz.

** The manual is simply not correct.

It should therefore be about 6 ohms at 18KHz.

** This published graph is close to my own measurements.

http://www.quadesl.com/quad_main.shtml

Ringing suggests a resonance or rising frequency response,

** A sharp HF impedance dip will cause ringing in the drive wave for a
non-zero source impedance.

which would be> caused by series inductance and the ESL's capacitance, and
doesn't fit
with Phil's severe high frequency loss.

I suppose I'd better get measuring, analyzing and plaiting my own cables.

** Better to post after doing that than before.

Lest you make an ass of yourself.




........... Phil

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:40:22 +1000, PhiI AIIison wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:35:43 +1000, Mark Harriss <billy@blartco.co.uk
wrote:

TT wrote:

Hi Mark,



Hi Honey,
I actually had a thought
maybe he's funny. Hmm maybe he
is serious...Oh dear , I just don't know!
What will I do?.....Should I try calling him?
Do you think he'll be nice to me?
I'm so nervous! The waiting is so hard!
Regards
Mark


Typical closet queen.

Typical closet queen.

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:52:26 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

** This published graph is close to my own measurement.

About 1 1/4 inches?

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:54:52 +1000, Phillip Allison wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:40:22 +1000, PhiI AIIison wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:35:43 +1000, Mark Harriss <billy@blartco.co.uk
wrote:

TT wrote:

Hi Mark,



Hi Honey,
I actually had a thought
maybe he's funny. Hmm maybe he
is serious...Oh dear , I just don't know!
What will I do?.....Should I try calling him?
Do you think he'll be nice to me?
I'm so nervous! The waiting is so hard!
Regards
Mark


Typical closet queen.

Typical closet queen.

Typical closet queen.

 

[Patrick Turner]

Ayn Marx wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:

But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the mountains of west
Timbucktoo
to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations with some hyena gizzards
stirred in well
on a moonlight night.

Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like hip hop when the cables
are used.

You Shit Patrick. When did I give you permission to publish my secret
cable tweeking process on Aus.Hi-Fi ? That's the last time I tell you
anything . And by the way it's done on the new moon to prevent
interference from PA's full moon psychic babblings.

....and it's not just Beethoven sonatas either, the string quartets are
also rendered a great deal lusher.

I suppose now that you must be using tassie devil gizzards for your
moonlight evening tweaks, there being an accute shortage of hyenas down your way,
but I hear that a lot can be achieved by whisking off a visiting politishun
on fact finding missions for forest policies and boiling the bastard down at around
election times.

Last time someone tried that they played an RCA copy of Gord Save the Quean,
and it came out sounding like Walking Barkwards to Christmas, Across the Irish
Sea....

Patrick Turner.

 

[Ayn Marx]

paul packer wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:24:49 +0800, "TT"
TTencerNOmorespam@westnet.net.au> wrote:


I propose a name change to "aus. hi-abuse.fest-fi and we can
welcome every foul mouthed, anally retentive, psycho on
UseNet to come and join in.

Regards TT

Best not to respond, Terry. This is a temporary invasion of jokers
such as I've seen on RAO. They'll tire of the joke eventually,
especially if you don't react. Phil however is a different matter.

You mean he's not a joke?

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Psycho-boy" <nutter@the.best.of.times.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.07.07.07.56.36.87427@Scum...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:52:26 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:




** This published graph is close to my own measurement.

About 1 1/4 inches?

ROTFLMAO

 

[Phil Allison]

"Alan Rutlidge" >>>

ROTFLMAO

* So I bet was " Phouc Yu " when he cleaned out your bank and credit
accounts.




............ Phil

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:37:20 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

"Alan Rutlidge"

ROTFLMAO



* So I bet was " Phouc Yu " when he cleaned out your bank and credit
accounts.

** Gee!! THAT WAS A REALLY CLEVER POAST!!??!!


I bet you showed him up then, huh? So fucking original*&^%$


** Tell us about your last year at Marists, dumbfuck...





.............Psycho-boy

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3j3nv9FnphqhU1@individual.net...

"Trevor Wilson"

"Phil Allison"


The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099



** No way has co-ax got zero linear inductance.

**Of course not. Inductance of RG213 is approximately 10% of that of zip
cable. A big step up from 'zip' cable. I would estimate the inductance of
Tocord to be around 4-5 times lower again.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Uncle-Fester]

PhiI AIIison wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:35:43 +1000, Mark Harriss <billy@blartco.co.uk
wrote:






Typical closet queen.
At last you admit it .

 

[paul packer]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:21:01 +1000, "PhiI AIIison"
<phiIaIIison@tipg.com.au> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:57:20 GMT, packer@iprimus.com.au (paul packer)
wrote:

is a temporary invasion of jokers
such as I've seen on RAO. They'll tire of the joke eventually,
especially if you don't react. Phil however is a different matter.

You wouldn't know an invasion even if cum started pouring out of your
arse.

What delightful imagery. So typical of you and your particular
fixations, Phil.

 

[Terry Given]

Phillip Allison wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:47:53 +0000, paul packer wrote:


On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:14:01 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:


On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:04:16 +0000, paul packer wrote:


On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:46:38 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:



Oh, I'm sure that you are on a sound footing there, that's why I never
insist on anything. What are their views on grammar and punctuation, I
wonder to myself?

Absolutely the same. Which is why I'm so glad you put a comma after
"punctuation" and ended the sentence with a question mark.

I'm so happy that you are glad. And I didn't want to upset anyone by
pointing out that "mmm" had started a sentence in lower case. Just an
insignificant typo, not worth worrying about.

No such thing as insignificant. Starting sentences in lower case is
how the decline of civilisation begins.


I'd have to accept your considered view on that. Not having been properly
house-trained myself, and barely able to run two words together
coherently without going ballistic. Unless I've taken my pills.

Cheerio



..........Phillip

ROTFLMAO!

Cheers
Terry

 

[Eiron]

Phil Allison wrote:

** This published graph is close to my own measurements.

http://www.quadesl.com/quad_main.shtml

Thanks, I hadn't seen that impedance graph recently.
Anyone got an equivalent circuit to model the impedance of an ESL?

--
Eiron

 

[Phil Allison]

"Eiron"

Phil Allison wrote:

** This published graph is close to my own measurements.

http://www.quadesl.com/quad_main.shtml

Thanks, I hadn't seen that impedance graph recently.
Anyone got an equivalent circuit to model the impedance of an ESL?

** I've got two ESL57s here.

3-D, solid matter simulators ;-)




........... Phil

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:11:08 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

"Eiron"
Phil Allison wrote:

** This published graph is close to my own measurements.

http://www.quadesl.com/quad_main.shtml

Thanks, I hadn't seen that impedance graph recently.
Anyone got an equivalent circuit to model the impedance of an ESL?



** I've got two ESL57s here.

3-D, solid matter simulators ;-)

** You incredibly illiterate moron!!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!

He asked "Anyone got an equivalent circuit to model the impedance of an
ESL?" You answered - "No, but I've got two cream cakes for little-lunch".


** Learn to read English. Then comes comprehension lessons. Don't even
think about trying to reply coherently until you pass.




.................Psycho-Boy

 

[Brian]

David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery powered
biased dielectrics,different size strands for different frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

If you believe all the crap about audio cables then you deserved to be
ripped off by the places that market them.

and need to be "broken in" for extended periods before they sound the
best.

this is simply the time period it takes for you to fool yourself that the
high price you paid for your cables was worth it.

Dave

 

[Ian Mitchell]

"Brian" <bdanger@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:42cdfdc2$1@clear.net.nz...

David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery powered
biased dielectrics,different size strands for different frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Duhh, he was taking the piss.

 

[Mr.T]

"Brian" <bdanger@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:42cdfdc2$1@clear.net.nz...

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery powered
biased dielectrics,different size strands for different frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

If you believe all the crap about audio cables then you deserved to be
ripped off by the places that market them.

and need to be "broken in" for extended periods before they sound the
best.
Dave

this is simply the time period it takes for you to fool yourself that the
high price you paid for your cables was worth it.

Either your wit is far too dry for me, or you need a new sarcasm detector.
At least Dave was funny, IMO.

MrT.

 

[Poxy]

Brian wrote:

David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't mean
others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables make.With my
biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference between using NiCads
versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and accurate, but I find NiCads, though
slightly warm, altogether more "musical").