Oxygen Free Cables

[TT]

"Ayn Marx" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:1120693377.402429.174110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
:
:
: Patrick Turner wrote:
: >
: > But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the
mountains of west
: > Timbucktoo
: > to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations
with some hyena gizzards
: > stirred in well
: > on a moonlight night.
: >
: > Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like
hip hop when the cables
: > are used.
: >
: You Shit Patrick. When did I give you permission to
publish my secret
: cable tweeking process on Aus.Hi-Fi ? That's the last time
I tell you
: anything . And by the way it's done on the new moon to
prevent
: interference from PA's full moon psychic babblings.
:
: ....and it's not just Beethoven sonatas either, the string
quartets are
: also rendered a great deal lusher.

What is really sad here is that this is basically what some
of the more "scientific" apparatus actually purports to do.

I still love the one about freezing your CDs in a special
bag a couple of times to improve the sound and don't forget
the green pen is a classic to.

Cheers TT

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:36:49 +0800, TT wrote:

"Ayn Marx" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:1120693377.402429.174110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
:
:
: Patrick Turner wrote:
:
: > But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the
mountains of west
: > Timbucktoo
: > to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations
with some hyena gizzards
: > stirred in well
: > on a moonlight night.
:
: > Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like
hip hop when the cables
: > are used.
:
: You Shit Patrick. When did I give you permission to
publish my secret
: cable tweeking process on Aus.Hi-Fi ? That's the last time
I tell you
: anything . And by the way it's done on the new moon to
prevent
: interference from PA's full moon psychic babblings.

The word is "psychotic". And there is no need for a full moon.

HTH and HAND

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3j0n2kFni0omU1@individual.net...

"Trevor Wilson"

"robert casey"
**Really? Where did you study electrical engineering? I hope you didn't,
because you can be shown to be wrong, very easily.


** Mr Casey is an expert on work creation - following him around
usenet correcting all his asinine postings is almost a full time job.


Oh, if you had runs several kilometers
long you'd start to care about inductance and capacitance,
but nobody's house is that big.

**Several km? Are you certain about that? So-called 'zip' cable has an
inductance of approximately 0.75uH/Metre. At 1kM, with 8 Ohm speakers,
the attenuation will be around 3dB at around 1.5kHz. At 100Metres, the
attenuation (with 'normal' 8 Ohm speakers) will occur within the audible
range. When dealing with VERY difficult speakers:



** Even a 5 metre length of twin wire ( gauge is irrelevant) has
enough linear inductance to become quite audible when the load impedance
drops to 2 ohms near 17 or 18 kHz - as it does with the Quad ESL57.
With "stacked" ESL57s, impedance drops to 1 ohm making even as little as
3 metres of heavy gauge twin lead audible.

BTW I am not referring to some subtle effect that takes practice to
ar - but a very audible loss of signal that amounts to 1 to 3 dB @
17 - 18 kHz !!!

Also, when viewed on a scope, there is serious ringing of a square wave at
audible frequencies ( 10 to 25 % amplitude - depending on cable
length ) at the speaker end of the cable that it NOT there at the amp
input end.

The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Ayn Marx]

Phillip Allison wrote:

The word is "psychotic". And there is no need for a full moon.

He may well be but I actually meant to use the word psychic. Trying to
be funny doesn't always work on this little electronic coven.

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:16:17 -0700, Ayn Marx wrote:

Phillip Allison wrote:


The word is "psychotic". And there is no need for a full moon.


He may well be but I actually meant to use the word psychic.

Of course you did. I was only pointing out the correct word, but you
should stick to your comfort zone.

Trying to
be funny doesn't always work on this little electronic coven.

I certainly agree, but who's trying to be funny? What a ridiculous
notion.

 

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:24:06 +1000, Phillip Allison
<phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:16:17 -0700, Ayn Marx wrote:


Phillip Allison wrote:


Of course you did. I was only pointing out the correct word, but you
should stick to your comfort zone.

Autistics always insist on correct words.
they need everything to be properly organised.

absolute sticklers for scrabble too.

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:31:09 +1000, mmm wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:24:06 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 19:16:17 -0700, Ayn Marx wrote:


Phillip Allison wrote:


Of course you did. I was only pointing out the correct word, but you
should stick to your comfort zone.


Autistics always insist on correct words.
they need everything to be properly organised.

absolute sticklers for scrabble too.

Oh, I'm sure that you are on a sound footing there, that's why I never
insist on anything. What are their views on grammar and punctuation, I
wonder to myself?

 

[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson"

"Phil Allison"


The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099

** No way has co-ax got zero linear inductance.



............ Phil

 

[paul packer]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:24:49 +0800, "TT"
<TTencerNOmorespam@westnet.net.au> wrote:

I propose a name change to "aus. hi-abuse.fest-fi and we can
welcome every foul mouthed, anally retentive, psycho on
UseNet to come and join in.

Regards TT

Best not to respond, Terry. This is a temporary invasion of jokers
such as I've seen on RAO. They'll tire of the joke eventually,
especially if you don't react. Phil however is a different matter.

 

[paul packer]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:46:38 +1000, Phillip Allison
<phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:

Oh, I'm sure that you are on a sound footing there, that's why I never
insist on anything. What are their views on grammar and punctuation, I
wonder to myself?

Absolutely the same. Which is why I'm so glad you put a comma after
"punctuation" and ended the sentence with a question mark.

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:04:16 +0000, paul packer wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:46:38 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:


Oh, I'm sure that you are on a sound footing there, that's why I never
insist on anything. What are their views on grammar and punctuation, I
wonder to myself?

Absolutely the same. Which is why I'm so glad you put a comma after
"punctuation" and ended the sentence with a question mark.

I'm so happy that you are glad. And I didn't want to upset anyone by
pointing out that "mmm" had started a sentence in lower case. Just an
insignificant typo, not worth worrying about.

 

[PhiI AIIison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:57:20 GMT, packer@iprimus.com.au (paul packer)
wrote:

is a temporary invasion of jokers
such as I've seen on RAO. They'll tire of the joke eventually,
especially if you don't react. Phil however is a different matter.

You wouldn't know an invasion even if cum started pouring out of your
arse.

 

[paul packer]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:14:01 +1000, Phillip Allison
<phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:04:16 +0000, paul packer wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:46:38 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:


Oh, I'm sure that you are on a sound footing there, that's why I never
insist on anything. What are their views on grammar and punctuation, I
wonder to myself?

Absolutely the same. Which is why I'm so glad you put a comma after
"punctuation" and ended the sentence with a question mark.

I'm so happy that you are glad. And I didn't want to upset anyone by
pointing out that "mmm" had started a sentence in lower case. Just an
insignificant typo, not worth worrying about.

No such thing as insignificant. Starting sentences in lower case is
how the decline of civilisation begins.

 

[Eiron]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Trevor Wilson"

**Several km? Are you certain about that? So-called 'zip' cable has an
inductance of approximately 0.75uH/Metre. At 1kM, with 8 Ohm speakers, the
attenuation will be around 3dB at around 1.5kHz. At 100Metres, the
attenuation (with 'normal' 8 Ohm speakers) will occur within the audible
range. When dealing with VERY difficult speakers:




** Even a 5 metre length of twin wire ( gauge is irrelevant) has enough
linear inductance to become quite audible when the load impedance drops to 2
ohms near 17 or 18 kHz - as it does with the Quad ESL57. With "stacked"
ESL57s, impedance drops to 1 ohm making even as little as 3 metres of heavy
gauge twin lead audible.

BTW I am not referring to some subtle effect that takes practice to
ear - but a very audible loss of signal that amounts to 1 to 3 dB @
17 - 18 kHz !!!

Also, when viewed on a scope, there is serious ringing of a square wave at
audible frequencies ( 10 to 25 % amplitude - depending on cable length )
at the speaker end of the cable that it NOT there at the amp input end.

The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

Using 5 metre long Tocord leads, with single ESL57s, high frequency loss is
reduced to under 0.5 dB ( resistance loss alone) and ringing all but
disappears.

I'm not sure what it is, but there's something dodgy about this analysis.

The Quad manuals say that an ESL is between 30 and 15 ohms from 40Hz to
8KHz.
It should therefore be about 6 ohms at 18KHz.

Ringing suggests a resonance or rising frequency response, which would be
caused by series inductance and the ESL's capacitance, and doesn't fit
with Phil's severe high frequency loss.

I suppose I'd better get measuring, analyzing and plaiting my own cables.

--
Eiron

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:47:53 +0000, paul packer wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:14:01 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:04:16 +0000, paul packer wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:46:38 +1000, Phillip Allison
phillip@goodness.and.light.com.au> wrote:


Oh, I'm sure that you are on a sound footing there, that's why I never
insist on anything. What are their views on grammar and punctuation, I
wonder to myself?

Absolutely the same. Which is why I'm so glad you put a comma after
"punctuation" and ended the sentence with a question mark.

I'm so happy that you are glad. And I didn't want to upset anyone by
pointing out that "mmm" had started a sentence in lower case. Just an
insignificant typo, not worth worrying about.

No such thing as insignificant. Starting sentences in lower case is
how the decline of civilisation begins.

I'd have to accept your considered view on that. Not having been properly
house-trained myself, and barely able to run two words together
coherently without going ballistic. Unless I've taken my pills.

Cheerio



...........Phillip

 

[PhiI AIIison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:52:36 +0100, Eiron <e1ron@hotmail.com> wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

"Trevor Wilson"

**Several km? Are you certain about that? So-called 'zip' cable has an
inductance of approximately 0.75uH/Metre. At 1kM, with 8 Ohm speakers, the
attenuation will be around 3dB at around 1.5kHz. At 100Metres, the
attenuation (with 'normal' 8 Ohm speakers) will occur within the audible
range. When dealing with VERY difficult speakers:




** Even a 5 metre length of twin wire ( gauge is irrelevant) has enough
linear inductance to become quite audible when the load impedance drops to 2
ohms near 17 or 18 kHz - as it does with the Quad ESL57. With "stacked"
ESL57s, impedance drops to 1 ohm making even as little as 3 metres of heavy
gauge twin lead audible.

BTW I am not referring to some subtle effect that takes practice to
ear - but a very audible loss of signal that amounts to 1 to 3 dB @
17 - 18 kHz !!!

Also, when viewed on a scope, there is serious ringing of a square wave at
audible frequencies ( 10 to 25 % amplitude - depending on cable length )
at the speaker end of the cable that it NOT there at the amp input end.

The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

Using 5 metre long Tocord leads, with single ESL57s, high frequency loss is
reduced to under 0.5 dB ( resistance loss alone) and ringing all but
disappears.

I'm not sure what it is, but there's something dodgy about this analysis.

The Quad manuals say that an ESL is between 30 and 15 ohms from 40Hz to
8KHz.
It should therefore be about 6 ohms at 18KHz.

Ringing suggests a resonance or rising frequency response, which would be
caused by series inductance and the ESL's capacitance, and doesn't fit
with Phil's severe high frequency loss.

I suppose I'd better get measuring, analyzing and plaiting my own cables.

change the oil every 6000km and make sure you lube the chain

 

[Mark Harriss]

TT wrote:

Hi Mark,

You would be best off ignoring this guy as he is only trying
to imitate the real problem here. Same thing happens with a
lot of crimes you end with "copy cats".

Cheers Terry

Hi Terry,
I actually thought he was playing for laughs
from the peanut gallery rather than being nasty. Hmm maybe he
is serious.

Regards
Mark

 

[Mark Harriss]

TT wrote:

Maybe that's what everyone wants, just a tirade of abuse
spewed across the screen at every opportunity. As I'm sure
this post will generate it.

Y'know somedays I almost miss Turcaud between his
shock treatments and lithium scripts.

 

[PhiI AIIison]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:35:43 +1000, Mark Harriss <billy@blartco.co.uk>
wrote:

TT wrote:

Hi Mark,



Hi Honey,
I actually had a thought
maybe he's funny. Hmm maybe he
is serious...Oh dear , I just don't know!
What will I do?.....Should I try calling him?
Do you think he'll be nice to me?
I'm so nervous! The waiting is so hard!
Regards
Mark

Typical closet queen.

 

[Copy-Cat Toaster-boy]

Mark Harriss wrote:

TT wrote:

Hi Mark,

You would be best off ignoring this guy as he is only trying
to imitate the real problem here. Same thing happens with a
lot of crimes you end with "copy cats".

Cheers Terry



Hi Terry,
I actually thought he was playing for laughs
from the peanut gallery rather than being nasty. Hmm maybe he
is serious.

Regards
Mark

Vitch vun, Marky?

--
** Don't make me puke!!