Oxygen Free Cables

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Brian wrote:
David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery powered
biased dielectrics,different size strands for different frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

If you believe all the crap about audio cables then you deserved to be
ripped off by the places that market them.



and need to be "broken in" for extended periods before they sound the
best.

this is simply the time period it takes for you to fool yourself that the
high price you paid for your cables was worth it.
Ian and Mt.T said it nicely :->

Dave :)
 
Poxy wrote:
Brian wrote:
David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't mean
others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables make.With my
biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference between using NiCads
versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and accurate, but I find NiCads, though
slightly warm, altogether more "musical").
Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.

Dave :)
 
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Poxy wrote:
Brian wrote:
David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't mean
others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables make.With my
biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference between using NiCads
versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and accurate, but I find NiCads,
though
slightly warm, altogether more "musical").

Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.

Dave :)
Now *THAT* was good! :)

Ken
 
Ken Taylor wrote:
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120813348.838477.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Poxy wrote:

Brian wrote:

David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Kissing Lettuce wrote:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't mean
others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables make.With my
biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference between using NiCads
versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and accurate, but I find NiCads,

though

slightly warm, altogether more "musical").

Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.

Dave :)



Now *THAT* was good! :)

Ken
I'll say.

Cheers
Terry
 
"David L. Jones" wrote:

Poxy wrote:
Brian wrote:
David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't mean
others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables make.With my
biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference between using NiCads
versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and accurate, but I find NiCads, though
slightly warm, altogether more "musical").

Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.

Dave :)


That could almost pass for chinglish.....

Do you write user manuals :)
 
"Terry Given" <my_name@ieee.org> wrote in message
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Ken Taylor wrote:
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120813348.838477.202030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Poxy wrote:

Brian wrote:

David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Kissing Lettuce wrote:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't mean
others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables make.With my
biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference between using NiCads
versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and accurate, but I find NiCads,

though

slightly warm, altogether more "musical").

Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.

Dave :)



Now *THAT* was good! :)

Ken

I'll say.

Cheers
Terry
I concur.
 
Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
Lithium also adds to the calming effect good music has
on the human mind. ;-)
 
David L. Jones wrote:
Poxy wrote:
Brian wrote:
David L. Jones <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1120552022.112374.44190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery
powered biased dielectrics,different size strands for different
frequencies,

Absolute rubbish!!
Audio frequencies will simply travel down the path of least
resistance

Hey, just because you can't you can't hear the difference doesn't
mean others can't appreciate the immense difference good cables
make.With my biased dielectrics I can even hear the difference
between using NiCads versus NiMHs (NiMH are *very* clean and
accurate, but I find NiCads, though slightly warm, altogether more
"musical").

Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.
I wish! Bloke at the shop says I'm not ready for solars yet - and he says
that anyway, when I do go solar, I'll need to cut a hole through the roof of
my listening room. Not all bad news though - he says I *might* be ready for
lithiums, and, seeing how things go, he'll let me upgrade my cables to a
pair of LiIons (no, not polys - he's got too many other audiophiles waiting
for them dammit), so there's hope yet.
 
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Have you tried Lithium batteries on the dielectric? Lithium produces
the utmost in clean dynamic range, surpassing that of NiMh.
On a true Audiophile grade system you will be able to actually hear
solar flares on the sun when you power the dielectric with a solar
cell. You have to use the polycrystalline type though, amorphous cells
don't have the depth of field required. Adds a nice warm tube-like
sound to the music.
Urgg, NOT a "tube like sound"!

:)

MrT.
 
David L. Jones wrote:

Kissing Lettuce wrote:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"


Oxygen free is old hat, you can buy them in Coles Supermarkets.
The new ones are cryogenically frozen, polarised, have battery powered
biased dielectrics, different size strands for different frequencies,
and need to be "broken in" for extended periods before they sound the
best.
I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for that
fine fluid sound..... :)
 
"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "
robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for that
fine fluid sound..... :)

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a mercury-filled tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit. as you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to enable the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric

** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for the same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of all the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried to make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one April in ETI or EA ??





........... Phil
 
"Trevor Wilson"
"Phil Allison"
The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099


** No way has co-ax got zero linear inductance.

**Of course not. Inductance of RG213 is approximately 10% of that of zip
cable. A big step up from 'zip' cable.

** A big step up from figure 8 ( or zip ) cable is simply to tightly twist
the same wires.

Easy to do and costs nothing.

Far better idea than using hose thick, hard to bend and terminate co-ax .



.............. Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3jbqosFp5jepU1@individual.net...
"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for
that
fine fluid sound..... :)

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is
indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a mercury-filled
tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the
mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit. as
you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to enable
the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was
unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave
uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for the
same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of all
the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried to
make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one April
in ETI or EA ??





.......... Phil
So all those Mercury switches in use don't work eh? Aren't
they are used on everything from car hoods to bombs. Shame
they don't work.

TT
 
"TT" <TTencerNOSPAM@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3jbqosFp5jepU1@individual.net...

"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for
that
fine fluid sound..... :)

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is
indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a mercury-filled
tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the
mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit. as
you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to enable
the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was
unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave
uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for the
same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of all
the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried to
make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one April
in ETI or EA ??





.......... Phil


So all those Mercury switches in use don't work eh? Aren't
they are used on everything from car hoods to bombs. Shame
they don't work.

TT
Car hoods? Do you mean bonnet?

This is Australia not the USA! Name just one car that has a mercury type
bonnet switch???

You are so unbelievably ignorant. The only common use for mercury switches
of late was room thermostats! Did you bother to actually read Phil's post?
Is English not your native language. Drinking all that ATF has had a
negative effect on your cognitive processea and you suffer from chronic
bullshititus.
 
"Fred At Home" <fredhome@fscans.cjb.net> wrote in message
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"TT" <TTencerNOSPAM@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for
that
fine fluid sound..... :)

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is
indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a
mercury-filled
tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the
mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit.
as
you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to
enable
the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was
unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave
uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for
the
same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of
all
the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried
to
make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one
April
in ETI or EA ??





.......... Phil


So all those Mercury switches in use don't work eh?
Aren't
they are used on everything from car hoods to bombs.
Shame
they don't work.

TT


Car hoods? Do you mean bonnet?
As well.

This is Australia not the USA!
Bzzzzzzzzzzt!!!!! No wrong again "dumb ass"! This is
UseNet. A multi-cultural, world wide comunication system.

Name just one car that has a mercury type
bonnet switch???
See below and take your pick. BTW I also have 2 brand new
Lennox LCD portable TVs that each have a Mercury switch in
them as well.

You are so unbelievably ignorant.
Only your oppinion and the facts do differ. ;-)

The only common use for mercury switches
of late was room thermostats!
Sigh.............

Did you bother to actually read Phil's post?
No! It usaully makes as much sense as yours so your point
is?

Is English not your native language.
Actually English is my second language. *Bad English* is my
first. Is common sense beyond your grasp as well?

Drinking all that ATF has had a
negative effect on your cognitive processea and you suffer
from chronic
bullshititus.
You're very vocal for someone that is anonymous (?) and so
so full of what they process around the corner from you!

Here is some reading material for you.

"mercury type bonnet switch" shows as 15,100 hits on Google

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mercury+type+bonnet+switch&btnG=Search&meta=

or

166,000 as I typed it

http://www.google.com.au/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=mercury+type+hood+switch&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en

I was actually trying to use a more cosmopolitan term but
hey you just couldn't resist trotting out your ignorance
again.


BTW If I am "ignorant" and know more than you what then does
that make you?

Now seriously Fred why not go and have a little lay down and
try not sniff all those sewerage fumes? I have been playing
very nicely with you up until now and trying to show you
some leeway but you will reach the end of my patience soon
and I will have to be unkind to you. So please learn to
play nice with all the kiddies here.

Regards TT
 
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:41:50 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried to make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one April in ETI or EA ??


.......... Phil

It was no joke....many years ago...(late 1980's) mercury inteconnects
and speaker leads were made...and they worked....

But many observers/carefull listeners felt that the top end was
gently rolled off...
To others this suited their hard sounding systems...

In the name of Synergy, many strange things are made possible.
 
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:23:11 GMT, packer@iprimus.com.au (paul packer)
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:21:01 +1000, "PhiI AIIison"
phiIaIIison@tipg.com.au> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 05:57:20 GMT, packer@iprimus.com.au (paul packer)
wrote:

is a temporary invasion of jokers
such as I've seen on RAO. They'll tire of the joke eventually,
especially if you don't react. Phil however is a different matter.

You wouldn't know an invasion even if cum started pouring out of your
arse.

What delightful imagery. So typical of you and your particular
fixations, Phil.

Thou shalt be taunted by the King's concubines, O ye whose name is but
dung!
 
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for
that
fine fluid sound..... :)

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is
indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a
mercury-filled
tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the
mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit.
as
you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to
enable
the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was
unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave
uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for
the
same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of
all
the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried
to
make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one
April
in ETI or EA ??





.......... Phil


So all those Mercury switches in use don't work eh?
Aren't
they are used on everything from car hoods to bombs.
Shame
they don't work.

TT


Car hoods? Do you mean bonnet?

As well.


This is Australia not the USA!

Bzzzzzzzzzzt!!!!! No wrong again "dumb ass"! This is
UseNet. A multi-cultural, world wide comunication system.

Name just one car that has a mercury type
bonnet switch???

See below and take your pick. BTW I also have 2 brand new
Lennox LCD portable TVs that each have a Mercury switch in
them as well.


You are so unbelievably ignorant.

Only your oppinion and the facts do differ. ;-)

The only common use for mercury switches
of late was room thermostats!

Sigh.............

Did you bother to actually read Phil's post?

No! It usaully makes as much sense as yours so your point
is?

Is English not your native language.

Actually English is my second language. *Bad English* is my
first. Is common sense beyond your grasp as well?

Drinking all that ATF has had a
negative effect on your cognitive processea and you suffer
from chronic
bullshititus.

You're very vocal for someone that is anonymous (?) and so
so full of what they process around the corner from you!


Here is some reading material for you.

"mercury type bonnet switch" shows as 15,100 hits on Google

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mercury+type+bonnet+switch&btnG=Search&meta=

or

166,000 as I typed it

http://www.google.com.au/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=mercury+type+hood+switch&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en

I was actually trying to use a more cosmopolitan term but
hey you just couldn't resist trotting out your ignorance
again.


BTW If I am "ignorant" and know more than you what then does
that make you?

Now seriously Fred why not go and have a little lay down and
try not sniff all those sewerage fumes? I have been playing
very nicely with you up until now and trying to show you
some leeway but you will reach the end of my patience soon
and I will have to be unkind to you. So please learn to
play nice with all the kiddies here.

Regards TT

Terry ,I have said it b4 and will say it again , It pays just to completely
ignore the plonkers , no matter what the provocation.Unless they do anything
illegal and then u sue the ass of the little , insert middle English word
relating to the female genitallia,.
Gordon
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson"
"Phil Allison"


The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099


** No way has co-ax got zero linear inductance.

**Of course not. Inductance of RG213 is approximately 10% of that of zip
cable. A big step up from 'zip' cable.


** A big step up from figure 8 ( or zip ) cable is simply to tightly
twist the same wires.

Easy to do and costs nothing.

Far better idea than using hose thick, hard to bend and terminate co-ax .



............. Phil
Phil, what's your opinion on using CAT5 cabling, with the pairs in parallel.
Neat, flexible.
 

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