Oxygen Free Cables

[Terry Given]

Robert Murphy wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson"
"Phil Allison"


The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099



** No way has co-ax got zero linear inductance.

**Of course not. Inductance of RG213 is approximately 10% of that of zip
cable. A big step up from 'zip' cable.


** A big step up from figure 8 ( or zip ) cable is simply to tightly
twist the same wires.

Easy to do and costs nothing.

Far better idea than using hose thick, hard to bend and terminate co-ax .

yep.

............. Phil



Phil, what's your opinion on using CAT5 cabling, with the pairs in parallel.
Neat, flexible.

solid-core would be terrible because the interconnects would break if
you move them.

I use (stranded) CAT5 for a wide variety of things - broadband scope
probes, RS485 wiring etc. Its very handy, precisely because its twisted.
Its impedance is very well controlled, and data is also available from
most manufacturers.

only things are: not much copper area, so limited amps (or parallel
pairs), and most RJ type connections are utter shit - fine for heavily
error corrected networks or voice, but no good for important signals.
especially not with vibration, as they are single-wipe connectors.
decent plugs and sockets help a great deal, but the single-wipe
vibration problem remains.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Robert Murphy" <okami1,westnet,com,au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson"
"Phil Allison"


The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

**This MIGHT be a cheaper alternative:

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42cc8d9509787e1e273fc0a87f9c0744/Product/View/W2099


** No way has co-ax got zero linear inductance.

**Of course not. Inductance of RG213 is approximately 10% of that of zip
cable. A big step up from 'zip' cable.


** A big step up from figure 8 ( or zip ) cable is simply to tightly
twist the same wires.

Easy to do and costs nothing.

Far better idea than using hose thick, hard to bend and terminate co-ax .



............. Phil


Phil, what's your opinion on using CAT5 cabling, with the pairs in
parallel. Neat, flexible.

**I'm not Phil, but there are a number of problems with the CAT5 cable idea:

* You need A LOT of CAT5 cables to keep resistance low enough for difficult
speakers. There are simply not enough conductors, of low enough resistance,
in a single CAT5 cable. As soon as you start using multiple CAT5 cables, you
start losing some of the advantages.
* Terminating all those conductors is a PITA.
* High power coax will provide adequately low R and L and is easier to
terminate.
* CAT5 conductors are far too loosely bound, IMO. This is where coax and
Tocord are far better choices. Conductors are tightly contained within the
outer sheath.
* CAT5 cables (well, the cheap ones anyway) uses the cheapest, worst, most
lossy insulation material known to mankind. PVC. There are far superior
insulators. Those cables using superior insulators cost more money
(surprise, surprise). Even the CAT5 ones.

CAT5 is designed for very low power levels, whilst Tocord and RG213 are
designed (specifically) for high current applications. As is the best
speaker cable on the planet, BTW - Goertz MI-1. VERY low resistance and VERY
low inductance.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Phillip Allison]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:33:15 +0800, Gordon wrote:

"TT" <TTencerNOSPAM@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Fred At Home" <fredhome@fscans.cjb.net> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for
that
fine fluid sound.....

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is
indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a
mercury-filled
tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the
mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit.
as
you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to
enable
the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was
unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave
uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for
the
same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of
all
the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried
to
make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one
April
in ETI or EA ??





.......... Phil


So all those Mercury switches in use don't work eh?
Aren't
they are used on everything from car hoods to bombs.
Shame
they don't work.

TT


Car hoods? Do you mean bonnet?

As well.


This is Australia not the USA!

Bzzzzzzzzzzt!!!!! No wrong again "dumb ass"! This is
UseNet. A multi-cultural, world wide comunication system.

Name just one car that has a mercury type
bonnet switch???

See below and take your pick. BTW I also have 2 brand new
Lennox LCD portable TVs that each have a Mercury switch in
them as well.


You are so unbelievably ignorant.

Only your oppinion and the facts do differ. ;-)

The only common use for mercury switches
of late was room thermostats!

Sigh.............

Did you bother to actually read Phil's post?

No! It usaully makes as much sense as yours so your point
is?

Is English not your native language.

Actually English is my second language. *Bad English* is my
first. Is common sense beyond your grasp as well?

Drinking all that ATF has had a
negative effect on your cognitive processea and you suffer
from chronic
bullshititus.

You're very vocal for someone that is anonymous (?) and so
so full of what they process around the corner from you!


Here is some reading material for you.

"mercury type bonnet switch" shows as 15,100 hits on Google

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mercury+type+bonnet+switch&btnG=Search&meta=

or

166,000 as I typed it

http://www.google.com.au/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=mercury+type+hood+switch&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en

I was actually trying to use a more cosmopolitan term but
hey you just couldn't resist trotting out your ignorance
again.


BTW If I am "ignorant" and know more than you what then does
that make you?

Now seriously Fred why not go and have a little lay down and
try not sniff all those sewerage fumes? I have been playing
very nicely with you up until now and trying to show you
some leeway but you will reach the end of my patience soon
and I will have to be unkind to you. So please learn to
play nice with all the kiddies here.

Regards TT

Terry ,I have said it b4 and will say it again , It pays just to completely
ignore the plonkers , no matter what the provocation.Unless they do anything
illegal and then u sue the ass of the little , insert middle English word
relating to the female genitallia,.
Gordon

** And if they have no assets, and their income is just social security
payments? What then, genius?





..............Phillip

 

[KLR]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:41:50 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for that
fine fluid sound.....

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a mercury-filled tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit. as you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to enable the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for the same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of all the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried to make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one April in ETI or EA ??



It was indeed published in an april edition of EA or ETI back in the

80's. Where I worked at the time, we got MANY laughs reading that
one. (especially since at the time we knew such a "fanatic" who was
such a perfectionist in everything, he would probably have tried it !)

particularly the part where "nylex premium garden hose provides an

extra octave" (i think) over the cheaper stuff

I assumed this was an april fools joke at the time, I hope I wasnt

wrong !

.......... Phil

 

[quietguy]

I dont know the name of the car(s) either, but you can pick them out by the
'Alarm Installed' stickers on their windows, and the racket they make when
the bonnet is lifted without turning off the alarm

David

Fred At Home wrote:

Name just one car that has a mercury type
bonnet switch???

You are so unbelievably ignorant. The only common use for mercury switches
of late was room thermostats! Did you bother to actually read Phil's post?
Is English not your native language. Drinking all that ATF has had a
negative effect on your cognitive processea and you suffer from chronic
bullshititus.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"quietguy" <quietguy@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote in
message
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I dont know the name of the car(s) either, but you can pick them out by the
'Alarm Installed' stickers on their windows, and the racket they make when
the bonnet is lifted without turning off the alarm

**No. Every car alarm system I've ever seen (which is far from all of them,
BTW) uses a regular, N/O push switch for the bonnet. OTOH, every motorcycle
alarm I've ever seen (which is not many) uses mercury switches for position
sensing.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Fred At Home]

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"Fred At Home" <fredhome@fscans.cjb.net> wrote in message
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"TT" <TTencerNOSPAM@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Patric" = Pat Scully aka " the Irish Joke "

robert casey

I recommend the use of mercury filled garden hose for
that
fine fluid sound.....

That doesn't really need the smiley, as mercury is
indeed a good
conductor. The only problem with using a
mercury-filled
tube, with
which I experimented a few years ago is getting the
mercury to "wet"
the connector that one uses to complete the circuit.
as
you might
know, when doing a solder joint a flux is used to
enable
the cable
conductor to be "wetted" by the solder metal. I was
unable to find a
suitable "flux for the mercury application so I gave
uptrying!
regards (Dr) Patric


** FYI

Mercury has 58 times more resistance than copper for
the
same cross
ection - making it one of the poorest conductors of
all
the metals. Pure
Silicon and Germanium are the worst.

Plus mercury is very toxic.

And this *** Congenital Fuckwit *** actually tried
to
make speaker leads
of mercury ????



BTW Wasn't that mad idea published as a joke one
April
in ETI or EA ??





.......... Phil


So all those Mercury switches in use don't work eh?
Aren't
they are used on everything from car hoods to bombs.
Shame
they don't work.

TT


Car hoods? Do you mean bonnet?

As well.


This is Australia not the USA!

Bzzzzzzzzzzt!!!!! No wrong again "dumb ass"! This is
UseNet. A multi-cultural, world wide comunication system.

Name just one car that has a mercury type
bonnet switch???

See below and take your pick. BTW I also have 2 brand new
Lennox LCD portable TVs that each have a Mercury switch in
them as well.


You are so unbelievably ignorant.

Only your oppinion and the facts do differ. ;-)

The only common use for mercury switches
of late was room thermostats!

Sigh.............

Did you bother to actually read Phil's post?

No! It usaully makes as much sense as yours so your point
is?

Is English not your native language.

Actually English is my second language. *Bad English* is my
first. Is common sense beyond your grasp as well?

Drinking all that ATF has had a
negative effect on your cognitive processea and you suffer
from chronic
bullshititus.

You're very vocal for someone that is anonymous (?) and so
so full of what they process around the corner from you!


Here is some reading material for you.

"mercury type bonnet switch" shows as 15,100 hits on Google

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mercury+type+bonnet+switch&btnG=Search&meta=

or

166,000 as I typed it

http://www.google.com.au/search?num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=mercury+type+hood+switch&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en

I was actually trying to use a more cosmopolitan term but
hey you just couldn't resist trotting out your ignorance
again.


BTW If I am "ignorant" and know more than you what then does
that make you?

Now seriously Fred why not go and have a little lay down and
try not sniff all those sewerage fumes? I have been playing
very nicely with you up until now and trying to show you
some leeway but you will reach the end of my patience soon
and I will have to be unkind to you. So please learn to
play nice with all the kiddies here.

Regards TT

Bonnet switches on cars are usually a simple micro-switch like a fridge
door.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your self-delusion.

 

[Mark Harriss]

Fred At Home wrote:

Bonnet switches on cars are usually a simple micro-switch like a fridge
door.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your self-delusion.

Actually, no they're not.... they were mercury once
but these days they have a rolling ball in a tube.

> Your ignorance is only exceeded by your self-delusion.

 

[AJS]

"Fred At Home" <fredhome@fscans.cjb.net> wrote in message
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Name just one car that has a mercury type bonnet switch???

Volvo Boot as well.


AJS

 

[Fred At Home]

"Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message
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Fred At Home wrote:
Bonnet switches on cars are usually a simple micro-switch like a fridge
door.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your self-delusion.


Actually, no they're not.... they were mercury once
but these days they have a rolling ball in a tube.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your self-delusion.

Thanks for pointing that out. Your phrase "they were mercury once but these
days ...." says it all. I just hope that Terry the Tantric Tosser reads this
post and learns the level of his ignorance.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Fred At Home"

Thanks for pointing that out. Your phrase "they were mercury once but
these days ...." says it all. I just hope that Terry the Tantric Tosser
reads this post and learns the level of his ignorance.

** TT = Tantric Tosser !!!!!!!!!!!


A title that will go down in infamy - if I ever saw one !!




........... Phil

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
<sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Eric]

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

 

[Ayn Marx]

Eric wrote:

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

But don't they breathe methane?

 

[Eric]

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

But don't they breathe methane?

I would expect the methane to be a byproduct of their speech.

They inhale good oxygen and give off methane.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:21:44 GMT, Eric <eric_hood@mac.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

Oxygen starvation is not a cure-all. Certain organisms, including
pathogenic types, can survive by anaerobic respiration.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Ayn Marx]

Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:21:44 GMT, Eric <eric_hood@mac.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

Oxygen starvation is not a cure-all. Certain organisms, including
pathogenic types, can survive by anaerobic respiration.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

So now we know how the pathogenic little twerp survives in that place.

 

[Eric]

On 2005-07-14 09:45:16 +1000, "Ayn Marx" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> said:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:21:44 GMT, Eric <eric_hood@mac.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

Oxygen starvation is not a cure-all. Certain organisms, including
pathogenic types, can survive by anaerobic respiration.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

So now we know how the pathogenic little twerp survives in that place.

You are in good form today

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:04:26 +0000, Eric wrote:

On 2005-07-14 09:45:16 +1000, "Ayn Marx" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> said:



Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:21:44 GMT, Eric <eric_hood@mac.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

Oxygen starvation is not a cure-all. Certain organisms, including
pathogenic types, can survive by anaerobic respiration.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

So now we know how the pathogenic little twerp survives in that place.


You are in good form today

*** I'LL SHOW YOU!!!!!!!!!!?????!!!!!!!!!
One of these days...




............ Phil (who is hiding)

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On 13 Jul 2005 16:45:16 -0700, "Ayn Marx" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:21:44 GMT, Eric <eric_hood@mac.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On 2005-07-12 18:37:21 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> said:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:45:49 +0930, Kissing Lettuce
sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?

You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

I'd settle for oxygen free DVDs and CDs. Does anybody know where I can
find some?


- Franc Zabkar

I'd settle for Phil being oxygen free, perhaps fred too

Oxygen starvation is not a cure-all. Certain organisms, including
pathogenic types, can survive by anaerobic respiration.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

So now we know how the pathogenic little twerp survives in that place.

If you mean *that* place, then the primary survival mechanism would be
coprophagia.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.