Oxygen Free Cables

[Terry Given]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Trevor Wilson"

"robert casey"
**Really? Where did you study electrical engineering? I hope you didn't,
because you can be shown to be wrong, very easily.



** Mr Casey is an expert on work creation - following him around usenet
correcting all his asinine postings is almost a full time job.



Oh, if you had runs several kilometers

long you'd start to care about inductance and capacitance,
but nobody's house is that big.

**Several km? Are you certain about that? So-called 'zip' cable has an
inductance of approximately 0.75uH/Metre. At 1kM, with 8 Ohm speakers, the
attenuation will be around 3dB at around 1.5kHz. At 100Metres, the
attenuation (with 'normal' 8 Ohm speakers) will occur within the audible
range. When dealing with VERY difficult speakers:

for a 2-wire parallel transmission line, the exact formula for external
inductance for spacing s and conductor diameter d is:

L = 0.4uH*acosh(s/d)

my 2.5mm^2 speaker cable has s=4mm, D = 1.8mm

so L = 0.575uH per metre

I had 10m of the stuff, so 6uH. Thats 0.4 Ohms at 10kHz, which is quite
a bit compared with my 4 Ohm speakers, so I stuck them in series and
ignored it.

** Even a 5 metre length of twin wire ( gauge is irrelevant) has enough
linear inductance to become quite audible when the load impedance drops to 2
ohms near 17 or 18 kHz - as it does with the Quad ESL57. With "stacked"
ESL57s, impedance drops to 1 ohm making even as little as 3 metres of heavy
gauge twin lead audible.

BTW I am not referring to some subtle effect that takes practice to
ear - but a very audible loss of signal that amounts to 1 to 3 dB @
17 - 18 kHz !!!

absolutely.


when I first connected the speakers in series, in a fit of inspired
stupidity I stuck each speaker as far away as possible from its series
partner. The resultant loop in the cable was huge, and much more than
doubled the inductance.

Also, when viewed on a scope, there is serious ringing of a square wave at
audible frequencies ( 10 to 25 % amplitude - depending on cable length )
at the speaker end of the cable that it NOT there at the amp input end.

The ONLY solution I know to cure this is to use a low inductance,
inter-woven cable like Tocord.

Bob Pease suggested 64-way ribbon cable, interdigitated. That gets the L
right down. the IDC connections can be troublesome, but a little adaptor
pcb would be trivial

A simple, cheap approach would be a copper stripline. magnetics vendors
often stock copper strip of various thicknesses, and sometimes wrapped
with quite good insulators.

two long strips of 1mm copper, perhaps w = 25mm wide, wrapped in
heatshrink and glued together so separation s = 1mm.

inductance L = u0*s/w = 0.4*pi*1/25 = *50nH* per metre

the DC resistance is about 2*20n[Ohm-m]/25u[m^2] = 1.6mOhm/m

the strip is one skin depth thick at 1mm = 66mm/sqrt(f) so f = 4.4kHz.
For 5 skin depths, 0.2mm = 66mm/sqrt(f) so f = 108kHz. At 20kHz its 2.1
skin depths thick. So the AC resistance Fr is close to 1 over the entire
audio band.

10mm strip will be about 125nH and 4mOhm per metre.

the problem with cutting the strip by hand is jagged edges. and it wont
bend so nice.

Using 5 metre long Tocord leads, with single ESL57s, high frequency loss is
reduced to under 0.5 dB ( resistance loss alone) and ringing all but
disappears.


........... Phil

Cheers
Terry

 

[paul packer]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:30:20 +0800, "Alan Rutlidge"
<rutlidge@nospamiinet.net.au> wrote:

"Psycho-boy" <nutter@the.best.of.times.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.07.06.05.30.29.184110@Scum...
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:23:22 +0800, TT wrote:


"Psycho-boy" <nutter@the.best.of.times.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.07.06.04.54.28.319966@Scum...
: : > ** For any audiophool - doing that is as automatic
as defending one's
: > wife, children, dog etc ....
:
: Since you have no wife, children, dog, post a picture of
your "etc".

etc = "Electrical Trainee Certificate" perhaps?

TT )

Part completed.

** Stop fucking laughing at me or I'll do something!!!


Like what pray tell?
Keep this up and soon you will have to be treated like Toaster Boi.
Terry isn't having a go at you. But of course if you insist......

Cheers,
Alan

I think you're missing the point, Alan. Psycho-boy is playing a part.
You have to humour him.

 

[David]

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connection - and requires the SIMs to be removed and reseated every
now and then. So, if this is correct, it is possible to create a
poorer connection by using gold -- unless you make sure the mating
connector is also gold-plated.

Would explain why my RAM goes ratshit every few months with that exact
fix.

-mark

In my experience, based on physical measurement, thermal creep of the
carrier causes this. The temperature variations across the length of the
SIMM, the position of the SIMM carrier on the motherboard with respect to
heat sources and the (poor) quality of the materials causes the contacts to
move slightly. Reseating the SIMM fixes it for obvious reasons. The
electro-chemical potential of gold and almost any other metal commonly used
in electronics is zero, so its virtually inert. Poor quality carriers are
far more likley to be the culprit - better airflow around the internals will
possibly fix it permanently.

 

[Phil Allison]

"TT"

Ok group it appears we now have 3 foul mouthed trolls.

See what happens when you tolerate one - more appear.

** You know - that is JUST what the Nazis found in the 1930s.

If you tolerate a few Jews. since many of them are so smart, next thing -
hey bingo - the damn Kikes multiply like rabbits.

Never fear - a couple of Bunbury garages full of Zyklon B gas will fix
'em.

Main event - next Pelican Point sausage sizzle.

 

[Patrick Turner]

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Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?
You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

An easy way to tell Oxygen rich cables is "They turn Green".
Copper oxide (or sulphate) is an insulator therefore the
copper *has* to be oxygen free or it just don't work.
Bit like Ford saying "New Falcons made from Oxygen free
steel". Duh! Who would buy a rusty car?
Think about it.

Thanks for misleading this NG once again Terence the Tosser. There is
copper and oxygen free (a misnomer as it is actually very low residual
oxygen copper) copper, but no such thing as "oxygen rich" copper. Oxygen
free copper is created under a near vacuum where very little oxygen is
present. Copper is akin to Aluminium in that the corroded surface is thin
and very stable.
Your predisposition to making shit up when you don't know something is
becoming a tad boring TT.

You'd know all about shit FAH, as you live close to the Werribee shit
farm, don't you? (Wait for the abject denial

ruff

As you all have trouble comprehending English - "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
OXYGEN RICH COPPER" as referred to by TT.

The "copper *has* to be oxygen free or it just don't work" statement is also
bullshit. Every piece of copper cable used in domestic and industrial
electrical installations in the world has some residual oxygen in the
conductor.

I could go on and on but have a life beyond this NG.

Why do you all jump to the defence of bullshit?

In Electronics World some years ago, an author carried out tests
on speaker cables to prove there wasn't any measurable difference between
speaker wires
of the same current capacity regardless of the condition of the copper.
He measured a fine pair of cables.
Then he used an oxy torch to heat them up to red hot a few times, then soaked
them
in sea water, thus degrading them badly, except for the connections at the ends
which he kept clean.

There was no measurable difference in the wires at audio F.

He could not detect any sound changes.

But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the mountains of west
Timbucktoo
to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations with some hyena gizzards
stirred in well
on a moonlight night.

Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like hip hop when the cables
are used.

Patrick Turner.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

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Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?
You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

An easy way to tell Oxygen rich cables is "They turn Green".
Copper oxide (or sulphate) is an insulator therefore the
copper *has* to be oxygen free or it just don't work.
Bit like Ford saying "New Falcons made from Oxygen free
steel". Duh! Who would buy a rusty car?
Think about it.

Thanks for misleading this NG once again Terence the Tosser. There is
copper and oxygen free (a misnomer as it is actually very low residual
oxygen copper) copper, but no such thing as "oxygen rich" copper.
Oxygen
free copper is created under a near vacuum where very little oxygen is
present. Copper is akin to Aluminium in that the corroded surface is
thin
and very stable.
Your predisposition to making shit up when you don't know something is
becoming a tad boring TT.

You'd know all about shit FAH, as you live close to the Werribee shit
farm, don't you? (Wait for the abject denial

ruff

As you all have trouble comprehending English - "THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS
OXYGEN RICH COPPER" as referred to by TT.

The "copper *has* to be oxygen free or it just don't work" statement is
also
bullshit. Every piece of copper cable used in domestic and industrial
electrical installations in the world has some residual oxygen in the
conductor.

I could go on and on but have a life beyond this NG.

Why do you all jump to the defence of bullshit?

In Electronics World some years ago, an author carried out tests
on speaker cables to prove there wasn't any measurable difference between
speaker wires
of the same current capacity regardless of the condition of the copper.
He measured a fine pair of cables.
Then he used an oxy torch to heat them up to red hot a few times, then
soaked
them
in sea water, thus degrading them badly, except for the connections at the
ends
which he kept clean.

There was no measurable difference in the wires at audio F.

He could not detect any sound changes.

But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the mountains of west
Timbucktoo
to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations with some hyena
gizzards
stirred in well
on a moonlight night.

Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like hip hop when the
cables
are used.

Patrick Turner.

Kind of reminds me of when the CD you think you have isn't.

Many moons ago when CD was till newish I purchased a copy of Foreigner -
Records on CD.
Put in the player at home and instead of hearing Foreigner, St. Saens
Carnivale of the Animals was heard. I took the disc back to the store from
where it had been purchased and explained to the salesperson what the
problem was. He promptly replied that CDs were never faulty (famous last
words), and after some discussion he reluctantly exchanged it for another
copy of the same album.
Took it home, placed in player, pressed the play button - yep you guessed it
same problem.

Next day I returned to the store, disc in hand and was served by the same
salesperson. "What's the problem now?" were his first words. I, once again
told him the problem. He refused to exchange or refund the disc. Obviously
I wasn't going to accept his answer so a heated debate ensued. At this
stage he said that CDs were never faulty and it must be a problem with my
player. I asked him to humour me by testing out the disc in the shop's
player. He refused.

By now the queue at the counter is getting longer and justifiably pissed
off. Some guy shouted to the salesperson to prove me wrong by playing the
disc. He gave in and placed the CD into a Marantz player and pushed the
button. Needless to say Carnivale of the Animals came blaring through the
store's speaker system. The salesperson was suitably embarrassed (the store
only stocked popular and jazz - no classical at all) and refunded the
purchase.

As it turns out the entire batch of discs had left the factory with the
wrong label pressed in to the back of the disc and then in turn packaged in
the wrong boxes. Only after close examination of the disc ID number and
cross referencing it were we able to tell it was incorrectly labelled.

Not everything is as it seems. But would snake oil cables have changed
Carnival of the Animals to Foreigner? - dunno......

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Ken Taylor]

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Are they still made and marketed with hype like
back in the 80s and 90s?
You know stuff like
"Your ears will tell the difference"

An easy way to tell Oxygen rich cables is "They turn Green".
Copper oxide (or sulphate) is an insulator therefore the
copper *has* to be oxygen free or it just don't work.
Bit like Ford saying "New Falcons made from Oxygen free
steel". Duh! Who would buy a rusty car?
Think about it.

Thanks for misleading this NG once again Terence the Tosser. There
is
copper and oxygen free (a misnomer as it is actually very low
residual
oxygen copper) copper, but no such thing as "oxygen rich" copper.
Oxygen
free copper is created under a near vacuum where very little oxygen
is
present. Copper is akin to Aluminium in that the corroded surface is
thin
and very stable.
Your predisposition to making shit up when you don't know something
is
becoming a tad boring TT.

You'd know all about shit FAH, as you live close to the Werribee shit
farm, don't you? (Wait for the abject denial

ruff

As you all have trouble comprehending English - "THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS
OXYGEN RICH COPPER" as referred to by TT.

The "copper *has* to be oxygen free or it just don't work" statement is
also
bullshit. Every piece of copper cable used in domestic and industrial
electrical installations in the world has some residual oxygen in the
conductor.

I could go on and on but have a life beyond this NG.

Why do you all jump to the defence of bullshit?

In Electronics World some years ago, an author carried out tests
on speaker cables to prove there wasn't any measurable difference
between
speaker wires
of the same current capacity regardless of the condition of the copper.
He measured a fine pair of cables.
Then he used an oxy torch to heat them up to red hot a few times, then
soaked
them
in sea water, thus degrading them badly, except for the connections at
the
ends
which he kept clean.

There was no measurable difference in the wires at audio F.

He could not detect any sound changes.

But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the mountains of west
Timbucktoo
to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations with some hyena
gizzards
stirred in well
on a moonlight night.

Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like hip hop when the
cables
are used.

Patrick Turner.





Kind of reminds me of when the CD you think you have isn't.

Many moons ago when CD was till newish I purchased a copy of Foreigner -
Records on CD.
Put in the player at home and instead of hearing Foreigner, St. Saens
Carnivale of the Animals was heard. I took the disc back to the store
from
where it had been purchased and explained to the salesperson what the
problem was. He promptly replied that CDs were never faulty (famous last
words), and after some discussion he reluctantly exchanged it for another
copy of the same album.
Took it home, placed in player, pressed the play button - yep you guessed
it
same problem.

Next day I returned to the store, disc in hand and was served by the same
salesperson. "What's the problem now?" were his first words. I, once
again
told him the problem. He refused to exchange or refund the disc.
Obviously
I wasn't going to accept his answer so a heated debate ensued. At this
stage he said that CDs were never faulty and it must be a problem with my
player. I asked him to humour me by testing out the disc in the shop's
player. He refused.

By now the queue at the counter is getting longer and justifiably pissed
off. Some guy shouted to the salesperson to prove me wrong by playing the
disc. He gave in and placed the CD into a Marantz player and pushed the
button. Needless to say Carnivale of the Animals came blaring through the
store's speaker system. The salesperson was suitably embarrassed (the
store
only stocked popular and jazz - no classical at all) and refunded the
purchase.

As it turns out the entire batch of discs had left the factory with the
wrong label pressed in to the back of the disc and then in turn packaged
in
the wrong boxes. Only after close examination of the disc ID number and
cross referencing it were we able to tell it was incorrectly labelled.

Not everything is as it seems. But would snake oil cables have changed
Carnival of the Animals to Foreigner? - dunno......

Cheers,
Alan



The truly fascinating part of that story is the shop-droid's reaction to the

attack on his world-view ("CD's are never faulty"). At first, ignore
contrary testimony, then refuse to do tests which may demolish the view once
and for all. A sadly human condition.

Ken

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:05:12 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

"TT"

Ok group it appears we now have 3 foul mouthed trolls.

See what happens when you tolerate one - more appear.



** You know - that is JUST what the Nazis found in the 1930s.

If you tolerate a few Jews. since many of them are so smart, next thing -
hey bingo - the damn Kikes multiply like rabbits.

Never fear - a couple of Bunbury garages full of Zyklon B gas will fix
'em.

Main event - next Pelican Point sausage sizzle.

** You think that I am ingulging my *fantasies* in stupid, ignorant and
tacky antisemetic innuendo. But I can !SAY! anything I like!!

YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG AND MAKE ME PUKE!!!

I am a nutter, and my views are vitally important (to me). Please agree
with me...even if you don't.


.......Psycho-boy

 

What a load of truly physcho people, unable to express themselves without using
the f word continuously. Very sad in a group which could be so useful See what I
mean, Phil? One writes off their views automatically. Whereas *you* have been
notably more effective recently in other threads with most welcome restrained and
therefore much more powerful language. No doubt the flamers will respond to this
with their usual language - which just goes to prove the point. However, as I
think has been proved the leopard *can* change its spots. We shall see.

 

[Mark Harriss]

Psycho-boy wrote:

If you don't watch yourself, I'll make a
really, horrible, nasty face at you. You would be sick!

*** Then you would be fucking sorry!!!!

You have a face for radio??

 

[Ayn Marx]

Patrick Turner wrote:

But he didn't get that old hag lesbian witch from the mountains of west
Timbucktoo
to place them in her cauldron and chant incantations with some hyena gizzards
stirred in well
on a moonlight night.

Apparantly Bethoven sonatas come though sounding like hip hop when the cables
are used.

You Shit Patrick. When did I give you permission to publish my secret

cable tweeking process on Aus.Hi-Fi ? That's the last time I tell you
anything . And by the way it's done on the new moon to prevent
interference from PA's full moon psychic babblings.

.....and it's not just Beethoven sonatas either, the string quartets are
also rendered a great deal lusher.

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:14:20 +1000, nospam wrote:

What a load of truly physcho people, unable to express themselves
without using the f word continuously. Very sad in a group which could
be so useful See what I mean, Phil? One writes off their views
automatically. Whereas *you* have been notably more effective recently
in other threads with most welcome restrained and therefore much more
powerful language. No doubt the flamers will respond to this with their
usual language - which just goes to prove the point. However, as I
think has been proved the leopard *can* change its spots. We shall see.

Words like the f word or the c word are merely words. Mostly, you just
ignore them. Some use them deliberately for effect, intending that they
anger, because that's the only sort of emotional human contact they can
achieve.

What are your views about language used to annoy that do not use the f
word or the c word? Like antisemetic innuendo. Hardly funny or clever.

** And I'm not a fucking "physcho", dipshit!! I'M A FUCKING PSYCHO!!!

Do you understand?



...............Psycho-boy

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:27:38 +1000, Mark Harriss wrote:

Psycho-boy wrote:

If you don't watch yourself, I'll make a
really, horrible, nasty face at you. You would be sick!

*** Then you would be fucking sorry!!!!


You have a face for radio??

** I HAVE A FACE FOR EVERYTHING!!

GGGGGGrrrrrr! Are you making fun of me???

WHAT'S your *address* and *telephone number* ???????



............Psycho-boy

 

Thanks for reply

Psycho-boy wrote:

...anger, because that's the only sort of emotional human contact they can
achieve.

Disagree. I feel only pity. And you've (perhaps inadvertently?) hit a nail
on the head re "the only sort of emotional human contact they can achieve"

What are your views about language used to annoy that do not use the f
word or the c word? Like antisemetic innuendo. Hardly funny or clever.

Here, I agree with you

** And I'm not a f***** "physcho", dipshit!! I'M A F****** PSYCHO!!!
Do you understand?
..............Psycho-boy

Response just as I expected. You've proved the point.

 

[TT]

"Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message
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: Psycho-boy wrote:
:
: > If you don't watch yourself, I'll make a
: > really, horrible, nasty face at you. You would be sick!
: >
: > *** Then you would be fucking sorry!!!!
:
:
: You have a face for radio??

Hi Mark,

You would be best off ignoring this guy as he is only trying
to imitate the real problem here. Same thing happens with a
lot of crimes you end with "copy cats".

Cheers Terry

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:46:50 +1000, nospam wrote:

Thanks for reply

Psycho-boy wrote:

...anger, because that's the only sort of emotional human contact they can
achieve.

Disagree. I feel only pity. And you've (perhaps inadvertently?) hit a nail
on the head re "the only sort of emotional human contact they can achieve"

If you felt only pity, you would not react. The aim is to provoke a
reaction, and generating anger in others does it rather well.


** What the fuck to you mean *inadvertently?* You need a bloody good
threat with some formulae -

E = mc2!!! and MOQ

Fucking take that!!!!!!!!!!!

What are your views about language used to annoy that do not use the f
word or the c word? Like antisemetic innuendo. Hardly funny or clever.

Here, I agree with you

** And I'm not a f***** "physcho", dipshit!! I'M A F****** PSYCHO!!!

Do you understand?

..............Psycho-boy

Response just as I expected. You've proved the point.

You were expecting something else?



...........................Psycho-boy

 

[Copy-Cat Toaster-boy]

TT wrote:

"Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message

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: Psycho-boy wrote:
:
: > If you don't watch yourself, I'll make a
: > really, horrible, nasty face at you. You would be sick!
:
: > *** Then you would be fucking sorry!!!!
:
:
: You have a face for radio??

Hi Mark,

You would be best off ignoring this guy as he is only trying
to imitate the real problem here. Same thing happens with a
lot of crimes you end with "copy cats".

Cheers Terry

There's an idea!

--
** Don't make me puke!!

 

[TT]

<nospam@novirus.com.au> wrote in message
news:42CC7B7A.A6B4C5F6@novirus.com.au...
: Thanks for reply
:
: Psycho-boy wrote:
:
: > ...anger, because that's the only sort of emotional
human contact they can
: > achieve.
:
: Disagree. I feel only pity. And you've (perhaps
inadvertently?) hit a nail
: on the head re "the only sort of emotional human contact
they can achieve"
:
: > What are your views about language used to annoy that do
not use the f
: > word or the c word? Like antisemetic innuendo. Hardly
funny or clever.
:
: Here, I agree with you
:
: > ** And I'm not a f***** "physcho", dipshit!! I'M A
F****** PSYCHO!!!
: > Do you understand?
: > ..............Psycho-boy
:
: Response just as I expected. You've proved the point.
:
See my response to Mark a little earlier. We are now into
"copy cat" behaviour here. First one, then two and now
three. The question is where will it end?

I can actually see this as the thin end of the wedge and
possibly PA getting his own way and driving all the "nice"
people away leaving him and FAWSF (AKA Fred) with a mutual
adoration society while PS just inanely abuses them.

Maybe that's what everyone wants, just a tirade of abuse
spewed across the screen at every opportunity. As I'm sure
this post will generate it.

I propose a name change to "aus. hi-abuse.fest-fi and we can
welcome every foul mouthed, anally retentive, psycho on
UseNet to come and join in.

Regards TT

 

[Psycho-boy]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:24:49 +0800, TT wrote:

nospam@novirus.com.au> wrote in message
news:42CC7B7A.A6B4C5F6@novirus.com.au...
: Thanks for reply
:
: Psycho-boy wrote:
:
: > ...anger, because that's the only sort of emotional
human contact they can
: > achieve.
:
: Disagree. I feel only pity. And you've (perhaps
inadvertently?) hit a nail
: on the head re "the only sort of emotional human contact
they can achieve"
:
: > What are your views about language used to annoy that do
not use the f
: > word or the c word? Like antisemetic innuendo. Hardly
funny or clever.
:
: Here, I agree with you
:
: > ** And I'm not a f***** "physcho", dipshit!! I'M A
F****** PSYCHO!!!
: > Do you understand?
: > ..............Psycho-boy
:
: Response just as I expected. You've proved the point.
:
See my response to Mark a little earlier. We are now into
"copy cat" behaviour here. First one, then two and now
three. The question is where will it end?

I can actually see this as the thin end of the wedge and
possibly PA getting his own way and driving all the "nice"
people away leaving him and FAWSF (AKA Fred) with a mutual
adoration society while PS just inanely abuses them.

Maybe that's what everyone wants, just a tirade of abuse
spewed across the screen at every opportunity. As I'm sure
this post will generate it.

I propose a name change to "aus. hi-abuse.fest-fi and we can
welcome every foul mouthed, anally retentive, psycho on
UseNet to come and join in.

Only if YKW is allowed to play.

> Regards TT

 

[Copy-Cat Toaster-boy]

Psycho-boy wrote:

I propose a name change to "aus. hi-abuse.fest-fi and we can
welcome every foul mouthed, anally retentive, psycho on
UseNet to come and join in.

Only if YKW is allowed to play.

I agree.