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Bill Garber · Dec 20, 2003

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
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: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:42:16 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net
said...
: >
: > "Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
: > news:sqb9uv0d6k98jccm7ru9rj5qe8b6gguh0o@4ax.com...
: > : On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:44 -0500, "Bill Garber"
: > : <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote:
: > :
: > : [snip]
: > :
: > : > Jim, I know you've mentioned that the
: > : >holidays have not been good to you in the past, but
: > : >please try to enjoy this one, you never know when it will
: > : >be your last. Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year to
: > : >you and yours.

: > : >
: > : >Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
: > : >Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
: > : >Email - willy4SPAM6pa@comXcast.net
: > : >Remove - SPAM and X to contact me
: > : >
: > :
: > : I don't recall "holidays have not been good to (me) in the
: > past"?
: >
: > Sorry, I may have confused you with someone else.
: >
: > : But this year has certainly been enjoyable... the WHOLE
family
: > was
: > : here for Thanksgiving with professional photographs of all
: > : permutations and combinations the next day.
: >
: > We haven't had a family affair since my folks past
: > on in '93. Shame too, but my family has always
: > liked to keep their distance.
: >
: > : We'll celebrate our Christmas gathering this year on the
26th
: > so that
: > : all the Arizona family members can get here; tonight we'll
: > light
: > : Hanukkah candle number two for our youngest granddaughter
who's
: > : visiting.
: >
: > To me Hanukkah is simply the old testament version
: > of Christmas. Still a joyous event to behold.
:
: Tell that to a Jew.

I'm sure I probably have.

: Funny you should mention that and I don't want to pluck
anyone's
: nerves, but I couldn't help but wonder if the ADL's attempt to
ban
: nativity scenes in public schools had anything to do with the
10
: commandments being removed from the entrance of that courthouse
: building down south.

This is due to many public schools being funded and run by the
individual states, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of the
Contitutional Amendment, "The Separation of Church and State".
Nothing more.

: Here, last year, there was bitching about xmas music over the
PA's
: at Blu U (basically a teacher's college). Some professor (per
fes
: cur?) helped foul all that up.

Well, if that is a private institution then it is up
to their own administration how to handle that situation.
There are many cultures in this melting pot we call the
world, and in the colleges specifically, so to abide by
all of their individual beliefs would be utter chaos.
Better to have no on-campus recognition of anyone's
belief than to have chaos over who's culture should prevail.

: All I know is that the last Jew I worked with grew up around
here
: and was subjected to the nativity scenes, xmas carols, etc. It
: didn't offend him or make him change his faith.

I've dealt with many different people's beliefs and
faiths in my lifetime, and none of that has changed
how I believe either. So, "Where's the Beef?".

: So what's all the bitching about? Oh, that's right... Some
people
: aren't happy if they're not starting or slinging shit.

I agree, why complain? It doesn't change anything.
And I also agree that there are people who want
nothing more than to raise chaos and mayhem through
words of hate and disparagement, but again, what can
you do? They'll always exist. Live with it.

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Bill Garber · Dec 20, 2003

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
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: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:19:23 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net
said...
: >
: > "Mike Page" <mike@SCRUBeclectic-CAPSweb.BLAMEco.SWENuk> wrote
in
: > message news:1071950934.937723@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...
: > : Bill Garber wrote:
: > :
: > : > One thing you can try is nothing. Simply delete them for
: > : > a time, and soon they will remove you by default.
: > :
: > : Wrong.
: >
: > A fine display of the scripture quoted in large
: > bold letters right on your web page. See Below.
: >
: > "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
: > patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
: > gentleness, self-control; against such things
: > there is no law.
: > Galatians 5:22-23
: >
: > Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
: > Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
: > Email - willy4SPAM6pa@comXcast.net
:
: Why? All I or a spammer has to do is grab your reply address
from
: this post. You're toast

That is true, but why aren't they? I seem to be having
less troubles that those who munge their addresses. And,
in case you haven't noticed, you can directly email me
with the REPLY TO SENDER feature. That isn't munged. ;-)
They capture the address from the post content. Munge
that and you're fine. You can leave your Reply address
intact.

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Fred Bloggs · Dec 20, 2003

Bill Garber wrote:

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3FE4CB38.2030900@nospam.com...
:
: Bill Garber wrote:
:
: > To me Hanukkah is simply the old testament version
: > of Christmas. Still a joyous event to behold.
:
: Let me see if I have this straight. We have CHRIST-mas,
celebrating the
: birth of Jesus Christ, who was framed and MURDERED by a bunch
of power
: hungry old Jews ( through the Romans because they were too
chickensh_t
: to do it themselves)- not much unlike the Arab scumbags we're
: annihilating today- and you say "Hanukkah" is the Old Testament
version
: of Christmas? Reconciliation is good- but revisionism on this
scale is
: obscene.

You're still thinking of God as a concept and Jesus
as a man who proclaimed himself to be the human side
of that concept, when they are neither. Jesus was not
framed, he gave himself up.

Where are you getting this crap! The damned pharisees framed him by
charging that Jesus proclaimed himself king of the Jews- in direct
violation of Roman law, the only way to get him in Roman court. This
sounds like a frame to me, and he didn't give himself up- he was
arrested quite forcefully- and the apostles were hunted down relentlessly.

Don't you think that the
Son of the Almighty GOD could have simply made himself
disappear and not have to go through that persecution?

Why bother doing that when you can rise from the dead?

They overcame the same oppresions when Jesus came
and died for them so they could be resolved of sin,
but many refusing to believe that Jesus was the Son
Of GOD and Messiah (first coming), denounced him and
that is why we have Hanukkah and Christmas. Had they
believed, we may only have Christmas. Maybe not. We
could still be celebrating both, since both happened.

That paragraph is so typical of the non-sensical religious nonsense
prose- like what the HELL does "so they could be resolved of sin"-not to
mention the context- deliberately obscure gobbledy-gook.

Anyway, until you have faith and belief in Almighty
GOD and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT, then no amount
of explanation will suffice for you, so I have more
than likely "cast my seed upon the stone".

Please-

Bill Garber · Dec 20, 2003

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
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: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:35:29 -0500, cfharris@erols.com said...
: > Hey Frank,
: >
: > There are lots of easy solutions to spam that don't require a
tax.
: >
: > They all involve upping the bar a bit for the spammers. For
instance,
: > instead of using the old smtp (redundant redundancy) mail
protocol, use
: > a system where the originator has to go to a trusted website
to send you
: > a message. The website would use a simple challenge to make
sure you
: > are human (eg. read the multicolor numbers in a picture of a
field of
: > red and yellow flowers.) If you cannot correctly answer the
challenge,
: > you cannot send the message.
: >
: > Think laterally, my friend.
:
: And how would you send e-mails to a subsciber base of 10,000
people
: on a e-mail discussion list?

I don't think they would need the trusted site since
they are usually member only and as you said, they've
subscribed to it. It isn't unsolicited.

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Bill Garber · Dec 20, 2003

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3FE4D9F4.1040107@nospam.com...
:
: Bill Garber wrote:
: > "Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
: > news:3FE4CB38.2030900@nospam.com...
: > :
: > : Bill Garber wrote:
: > : >
: > : > To me Hanukkah is simply the old testament version
: > : > of Christmas. Still a joyous event to behold.
: > :
: > : Let me see if I have this straight. We have CHRIST-mas,
: > celebrating the
: > : birth of Jesus Christ, who was framed and MURDERED by a
bunch
: > of power
: > : hungry old Jews ( through the Romans because they were too
: > chickensh_t
: > : to do it themselves)- not much unlike the Arab scumbags
we're
: > : annihilating today- and you say "Hanukkah" is the Old
Testament
: > version
: > : of Christmas? Reconciliation is good- but revisionism on
this
: > scale is
: > : obscene.
: >
: > You're still thinking of God as a concept and Jesus
: > as a man who proclaimed himself to be the human side
: > of that concept, when they are neither. Jesus was not
: > framed, he gave himself up.
:
: Where are you getting this crap! The damned pharisees framed
him by
: charging that Jesus proclaimed himself king of the Jews- in
direct
: violation of Roman law, the only way to get him in Roman court.
This
: sounds like a frame to me, and he didn't give himself up- he
was
: arrested quite forcefully- and the apostles were hunted down
relentlessly.
:
: > Don't you think that the
: > Son of the Almighty GOD could have simply made himself
: > disappear and not have to go through that persecution?
:
: Why bother doing that when you can rise from the dead?
:
: > They overcame the same oppresions when Jesus came
: > and died for them so they could be resolved of sin,
: > but many refusing to believe that Jesus was the Son
: > Of GOD and Messiah (first coming), denounced him and
: > that is why we have Hanukkah and Christmas. Had they
: > believed, we may only have Christmas. Maybe not. We
: > could still be celebrating both, since both happened.
:
: That paragraph is so typical of the non-sensical religious
nonsense
: prose- like what the HELL does "so they could be resolved of
sin"-not to
: mention the context- deliberately obscure gobbledy-gook.
:
: >
: > Anyway, until you have faith and belief in Almighty
: > GOD and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT, then no amount
: > of explanation will suffice for you, so I have more
: > than likely "cast my seed upon the stone".
: >
: Please-

Obviously there is no more reason to reply to you.
You have no desire to know or accept the truth, so
you are, as they say, "on your own", may God have
Mercy on your soul and save you anyway.

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Tim Williams · Dec 20, 2003

Far be it for me to enter a religious argument but...

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3FE4D9F4.1040107@nospam.com...

Where are you getting this crap! The damned pharisees framed him by
charging that Jesus proclaimed himself king of the Jews- in direct
violation of Roman law, the only way to get him in Roman court. This
sounds like a frame to me, and he didn't give himself up- he was
arrested quite forcefully- and the apostles were hunted down relentlessly.

But if he didn't want to die he could've fled Jerusalem, several times.
He also could've denied the accusations and gotten out that way.

Why bother doing that when you can rise from the dead?

And here is the reason of above: so he could perform his final miracle.

That paragraph is so typical of the non-sensical religious nonsense
prose- like what the HELL does "so they could be resolved of sin"-not to
mention the context- deliberately obscure gobbledy-gook.

Bill's probably right then.

Tim

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Tim Williams · Dec 20, 2003

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I mean like hotmail? If so, then you will always
get spam through them.

My account bendix6384@hotmail.com has no spam on it, and it's been up
for quite a few months.

Tim

--
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Tim Williams · Dec 21, 2003

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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They capture the address from the post content. Munge
that and you're fine. You can leave your Reply address
intact.

Bill, I've never once in my three (or is it 4 now?) years online, posted
my email adress in the body. Only the un-munged address in the header.
And I've been getting the same amount of spam for the last couple years,
despite constant attention to deleting them as they arrive.

The argument could be made then, that they are picking the munged address
in preference to the one in your headers, but that can be disproven by
considering it's a hell of a lot quicker to download and rip headers than
it is entire messages.
That your spam has been dropping as you delete it has to be coincidential.

Tim

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Jem Berkes · Dec 21, 2003

This law is a joke... it requires OPT OUT, thus legalizing a whole
torrent of spam.

Not a US citizen myself, but as I understand it there is quite a bit of
freedom in the United States. This probably also extends to businesses who
wish to exercise their freedom and right to block any kind of mail traffic
they find abusive of their resources.

For you fellow techies who wish to join a new effort against spam, please
check out my Weighted Private Block List project @ http://wpbl.pc9.org/

If you get your mail (and spam) through a UNIX-like system and use a
statistical filter such as spamprobe or spam assassin, I have scripts that
automate the task of collecting IP addresses that are spamming; this data
is then uploaded periodically to my central database, where it is combined
with other peoples' spam reports to automatically block spammers.

My system doesn't care whether the spam is politically endorsed, or not.

--
Jem Berkes
http://www.sysdesign.ca/

Active8 · Dec 21, 2003

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:24:26 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
news:MPG.1a4e8fce837ab5ca98971e@news.west.earthlink.net...
: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:35:29 -0500, cfharris@erols.com said...
: > Hey Frank,
:
: > There are lots of easy solutions to spam that don't require a
tax.
:
: > They all involve upping the bar a bit for the spammers. For
instance,
: > instead of using the old smtp (redundant redundancy) mail
protocol, use
: > a system where the originator has to go to a trusted website
to send you
: > a message. The website would use a simple challenge to make
sure you
: > are human (eg. read the multicolor numbers in a picture of a
field of
: > red and yellow flowers.) If you cannot correctly answer the
challenge,
: > you cannot send the message.
:
: > Think laterally, my friend.
:
: And how would you send e-mails to a subsciber base of 10,000
people
: on a e-mail discussion list?

I don't think they would need the trusted site since
they are usually member only and as you said, they've
subscribed to it. It isn't unsolicited.

They'd still have to send the mail. I, personnally don't want to
have to answer a challenge just to send mail.

Now public key cryptography and Kerberos.... That'll work. You have
to have a key to get a key to a service (in a nutshell.) I don't
know why it's not being used. It covers all bases, privacy,
authentication, and authorization.

BRs,
Mike

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Active8 · Dec 21, 2003

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:18:50 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
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: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:19:23 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net
said...
:
: > "Mike Page" <mike@SCRUBeclectic-CAPSweb.BLAMEco.SWENuk> wrote
in
: > message news:1071950934.937723@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...
: > : Bill Garber wrote:
: > :
: > : > One thing you can try is nothing. Simply delete them for
: > : > a time, and soon they will remove you by default.
: > :
: > : Wrong.
:
: > A fine display of the scripture quoted in large
: > bold letters right on your web page. See Below.
:
: > "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
: > patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
: > gentleness, self-control; against such things
: > there is no law.
: > Galatians 5:22-23
:
: > Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
: > Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
: > Email - willy4SPAM6pa@comXcast.net
:
: Why? All I or a spammer has to do is grab your reply address
from
: this post. You're toast

That is true, but why aren't they?

Maybe your ISP is filtering. Not all spams are addresed to the
recipient. Earthlink seems to be doing a good job on my primary
account. I got maybe 3 this week. Another addy of mine is a wide
open easy guess for a dictionary attack but mailwasher slowed that
down 'til maybe the next attack. That was my fault. I might as well
have chosen mike smith.

I seem to be having
less troubles that those who munge their addresses. And,
in case you haven't noticed, you can directly email me
with the REPLY TO SENDER feature.

That's what I double checked after seeing it in the header. You're
lucky you weren't posting a couple months ago when Win and others
were getting hundreds of e-mails per hour from the virus
transporting Swen worm. Ask around. Google Swen in this group.

That isn't munged. ;-)

Neither is the email address in the header which Swen would've
scarfed up like road kill.

They capture the address from the post content.

Your blathering, heh, heh. What link/reference did you get that
tripe from?

Munge
that and you're fine. You can leave your Reply address
intact.

The header is just as much "content" as the body.

From: "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net>

That's from the header. Set your reader to view the From address
and see for yourself.

BRs,
Mike

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Jim Thompson · Dec 21, 2003

On 21 Dec 2003 00:05:15 GMT, Jem Berkes <jem@users.pc9__org> wrote:

This law is a joke... it requires OPT OUT, thus legalizing a whole
torrent of spam.

Not a US citizen myself, but as I understand it there is quite a bit of
freedom in the United States. This probably also extends to businesses who
wish to exercise their freedom and right to block any kind of mail traffic
they find abusive of their resources.

For you fellow techies who wish to join a new effort against spam, please
check out my Weighted Private Block List project @ http://wpbl.pc9.org/

If you get your mail (and spam) through a UNIX-like system and use a
statistical filter such as spamprobe or spam assassin, I have scripts that
automate the task of collecting IP addresses that are spamming; this data
is then uploaded periodically to my central database, where it is combined
with other peoples' spam reports to automatically block spammers.

My system doesn't care whether the spam is politically endorsed, or not.

Sounds like a Johnny-come-lately version of SpamCop.net

SpamCop uses SpamAssassin, its own self-generated block lists, as well
as several other block lists generated world-wide.

(I am *only* a satisfied user... no business association with
SpamCop.net))

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Active8 · Dec 21, 2003

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:13:42 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
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: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:42:16 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net
said...
:
: > "Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
: > news:sqb9uv0d6k98jccm7ru9rj5qe8b6gguh0o@4ax.com...
: > : On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:44 -0500, "Bill Garber"
: > : <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote:
: > :
: > : [snip]
: > :
: > : > Jim, I know you've mentioned that the
: > : >holidays have not been good to you in the past, but
: > : >please try to enjoy this one, you never know when it will
: > : >be your last. Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year to
: > : >you and yours.
: > :
: > : >Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
: > : >Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
: > : >Email - willy4SPAM6pa@comXcast.net
: > : >Remove - SPAM and X to contact me
: > :
: > :
: > : I don't recall "holidays have not been good to (me) in the
: > past"?
:
: > Sorry, I may have confused you with someone else.
:
: > : But this year has certainly been enjoyable... the WHOLE
family
: > was
: > : here for Thanksgiving with professional photographs of all
: > : permutations and combinations the next day.
:
: > We haven't had a family affair since my folks past
: > on in '93. Shame too, but my family has always
: > liked to keep their distance.
:
: > : We'll celebrate our Christmas gathering this year on the
26th
: > so that
: > : all the Arizona family members can get here; tonight we'll
: > light
: > : Hanukkah candle number two for our youngest granddaughter
who's
: > : visiting.
:
: > To me Hanukkah is simply the old testament version
: > of Christmas. Still a joyous event to behold.
:
: Tell that to a Jew.

I'm sure I probably have.

: Funny you should mention that and I don't want to pluck
anyone's
: nerves, but I couldn't help but wonder if the ADL's attempt to
ban
: nativity scenes in public schools had anything to do with the
10
: commandments being removed from the entrance of that courthouse
: building down south.

This is due to many public schools being funded and run by the
individual states, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of the
Contitutional Amendment, "The Separation of Church and State".
Nothing more.

They did mention that.

: Here, last year, there was bitching about xmas music over the
PA's
: at Blu U (basically a teacher's college). Some professor (per
fes
: cur?) helped foul all that up.

Well, if that is a private institution then it is up
to their own administration how to handle that situation.
There are many cultures in this melting pot we call the
world, and in the colleges specifically, so to abide by
all of their individual beliefs would be utter chaos.
Better to have no on-campus recognition of anyone's
belief than to have chaos over who's culture should prevail.

It's a private U and there were attempts at a compromise, like
playing music from other beliefs. The prof that mucked things up
really got egg on his face and I forget the details, but it was
just typical shit slinging.

: All I know is that the last Jew I worked with grew up around
here
: and was subjected to the nativity scenes, xmas carols, etc. It
: didn't offend him or make him change his faith.

I've dealt with many different people's beliefs and
faiths in my lifetime, and none of that has changed
how I believe either. So, "Where's the Beef?".

No beef here. I might not like your elevator music, but I don't
have to listen to it at home and there are walkmans to cover the
sound. Why anyone had to bitch is beyond me.

: So what's all the bitching about? Oh, that's right... Some
people
: aren't happy if they're not starting or slinging shit.

I agree, why complain? It doesn't change anything.
And I also agree that there are people who want
nothing more than to raise chaos and mayhem through
words of hate and disparagement, but again, what can
you do? They'll always exist. Live with it.

I wasn't complaining. Start at the beginning and notice how I said
"I can't help but wonder why," or words to that effect. As for
hearing about it on the news... I don't have to live with it. I
change the channel or turn the stinkin' box off.

BRs,
Mike

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Jem Berkes · Dec 21, 2003

Sounds like a Johnny-come-lately version of SpamCop.net

WPBL is similar to spamcop, but there are notable differences. Spamcop also
uses manual reports from people complaining about spam. When people only
report what they dislike, the system never sees the other essential data --
the non-spam that's being sent perpetually. When you automate everything
you reduce this personal bias and anger effect.

More importantly, spamcop is way too aggressive in blocking IPs (I have
plenty of experience dealing with this stuff through my work with mail
system admins). bl.spamcop.net is not appropriate for use on most mail
servers. WPBL is going to be more cautious about blocking IPs.

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Active8 · Dec 21, 2003

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:55:51 -0700, invalid@invalid.invalid said...

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:45:32 -0500, "Bill Garber"
willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:jl29uv8ndrshklinfqpnnvqh1tbe2c2psj@4ax.com...
[snip]
: (If you are interested, the correct name is SpamCop.NET,
SpamCop.COM
: is a rip-off who'll set you up to receive even more spam.)

Thanks Jim, I will check into that. I'd rather NO spam
than even 3-4. So far the only thing in the NGs is the
massive flaming that goes on in some and the extensive
off-topic cross-posting complaints. Nothing wrong with
off-topic if it's an important issue, and cross-posting
reaches a larger audience. I just despise the complaining.

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I despise the complaining also. I was just plain stunned at the
reaction to my "Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops",
particularly since I have been trying to avoid irritating anyone's
sensibilities.

...Jim Thompson

I guess I didn't read the thread when I saw the volume of

responses. If people don't want to donate their frequent flyer
miles, maybe they have some ammo they can spare.

Our local NG unit will be deploying and (this blows me away)
they're going to move to a US training post first to learn to
shoot, administer first aid, and some other things they forgot how
to do since basic training. I've seen first hand how fast first aid
is forgotten. Same with other basics.

Problem. Once you get out of basic, unless you're in a combat-arms
MOS, you only qualify with the rifle once a year and that's a
cakewalk. The training budget sucks. It takes a lot of ammo to
teach a soldier to shoot under stress.

These guys will be convoying food and supplies in Iraq. The Russian
war doctrine prior to the breakup was to take out the support
infrastructure and those Iraqi tangos will probably try as much of
that as they can.

Around here there's a lot of hunters, so I hope these guys have
done a lot of that.

I used to get $44 per day per diem for travel time between posts
and mileage. I'd get maybe $200 or so for mileage and spend it on a
plane ticket, train, cab, beer, and still have money left over.
That included getting home and to the next post and it only worked
because the geography was on my side. Once they're back in the US
they can walk home (I'd pick 'em up hitch hiking or chip in on a
ticket) or get a cheap MAC flight. It used to cost $1. You apply
for leave (gotta be on leave to get a MAC flight) and schedule the
flight 14 days in advance (min) and then cancel the leave and
reapply for the date of the flight.

The trick is getting them home alive.

Mike

Bill Garber · Dec 21, 2003

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
news:MPG.1a4eb3dbdf90c77b989729@news.west.earthlink.net...

: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:13:42 -0500, willy46pa@comcast.net
said...
: >
: > This is due to many public schools being funded and run by
the
: > individual states, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of
the
: > Contitutional Amendment, "The Separation of Church and
State".
: > Nothing more.
:
: They did mention that.

I was sure they had, and they have taken it all wrong,
the separation was never designed to alienate one from
the other, but to ensure that neither would try to rule
over the other, and yet, US says remove the religious
stuff. Isn't that just what they've done? There are also
clauses, although they slip my mind where, which prevent
the Feds from deciding everything for each state, yet,
do they not?

: > Well, if that is a private institution then it is up
: > to their own administration how to handle that situation.
: > There are many cultures in this melting pot we call the
: > world, and in the colleges specifically, so to abide by
: > all of their individual beliefs would be utter chaos.
: > Better to have no on-campus recognition of anyone's
: > belief than to have chaos over who's culture should prevail.
:
: It's a private U and there were attempts at a compromise, like
: playing music from other beliefs. The prof that mucked things
up
: really got egg on his face and I forget the details, but it was
: just typical shit slinging.

That doesn't surprise me. I usually get one behind the ear
every time I stick my neck out for a cause that obviously
will only be helped by removing it completely.

: > I've dealt with many different people's beliefs and
: > faiths in my lifetime, and none of that has changed
: > how I believe either. So, "Where's the Beef?".
:
: No beef here. I might not like your elevator music, but I don't
: have to listen to it at home and there are walkmans to cover
the
: sound. Why anyone had to bitch is beyond me.

That's called freedom. What?!, they play music in
elevators? ;-)

: I wasn't complaining. Start at the beginning and notice how I
said
: "I can't help but wonder why," or words to that effect. As for
: hearing about it on the news... I don't have to live with it. I
: change the channel or turn the stinkin' box off.

Yes Mike, I did and I see that. Here is your quote.
: nerves, but I couldn't help but wonder if the ADL's attempt to
Especially now, when 88 channels is $39.99/month.
Of course there is only worthwhile programming 30% of
the time on 25% of those channels, but what the hey?,
IT'S AMERICA! Love it or, well, you know.

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Bill Garber · Dec 21, 2003

"Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vu9oi92vo789@corp.supernews.com...
: "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:dqidnTF5vZnmMHmi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
: > I mean like hotmail? If so, then you will always
: > get spam through them.
:
: My account bendix6384@hotmail.com has no spam on it, and it's
been up
: for quite a few months.
:
: Tim

You have been lucky then. You probably don't
use that address when requesting info from
other sites, which is how they get your email
address most of the time. Even sites that you
sign up for where you can get datasheets for
electronic components can give out addresses
to email lists for sale. Be sure to read their
fine print before offering your email address
to them.

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Philip A. Marshall · Dec 21, 2003

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 17:58:43 -0600, "Tim Williams"
<tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:dqidnTF5vZnmMHmi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
I mean like hotmail? If so, then you will always
get spam through them.

My account bendix6384@hotmail.com has no spam on it, and it's been up
for quite a few months.

you're lucky... I've had friends who've signed up for a hotmail
account, never used it anywhere, then watched it fill up with spam
just because of the way spammers try generated e-mail addresses.

for example, they have the address foobar123@aol.com, then they also
try foobar123@yahoo.com, foobar123@hotmail.com, and so on, combining
known users and known domains to generate other possible e-mail
addresses.

my appologies to anyone who might actually have one of those e-mail
addresses

Chuck Harris · Dec 21, 2003

Active8 wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:35:29 -0500, cfharris@erols.com said...

And how would you send e-mails to a subsciber base of 10,000 people
on a e-mail discussion list?

Mike

One way that could be dealt with is a prearranged 2 key encryption
system. When you subscribe, you give your public key to the manager
of the list, and they give you their public key and an identifying
"cookie" that will be encrypted in the message.

When they have a post to send to you, they encrypt it using your public
key, and their private key. When your mail system gets the message it
decrypts using your private key, and their public key, and if it doesn't
decrypt to something that has the appropriate identifying "cookie" your
mail system s-cans the message.

The technology required isn't a big problem. The big problem is getting
folks to use *any* new mail system.

-Chuck

Jim Thompson · Dec 21, 2003

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:03:02 -0500, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com>
wrote:

Active8 wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:35:29 -0500, cfharris@erols.com said...

And how would you send e-mails to a subsciber base of 10,000 people
on a e-mail discussion list?

Mike

One way that could be dealt with is a prearranged 2 key encryption
system. When you subscribe, you give your public key to the manager
of the list, and they give you their public key and an identifying
"cookie" that will be encrypted in the message.

When they have a post to send to you, they encrypt it using your public
key, and their private key. When your mail system gets the message it
decrypts using your private key, and their public key, and if it doesn't
decrypt to something that has the appropriate identifying "cookie" your
mail system s-cans the message.

The technology required isn't a big problem. The big problem is getting
folks to use *any* new mail system.

-Chuck

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