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[Active8]

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:24:56 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> said...

In article <MPG.1a529197cac2b6ac989739@news.west.earthlink.net>,
mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net mentioned...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:47:27 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a5108489600b584989730@news.west.earthlink.net...

I can't remember the man's name that built the only US railroad
from money he raised himself. no govt money involved. It was the
only railroad in the country to ever show a profit.

Do you have a reference to this amazing fact?


It was in a book called "The Book". It's not here. Google Neotech
or try it as a domain name. The book is partly hogwash, but someone
I talked to had heard of this guy. The RR was built across the
north part of the country and may have crossed into Canada. I tried
google on John Hill, and didn't find anything obvious. Not being
sure of his name, I don't know.

Do you know of any Federally subsidized businesses that *do* turn a
profit?

I heard on the news that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now in the
spotlight. Turns out that with all the billions the gummint pours
into them, they don't do much at all to lower the interest rate for
the borrowers. I don't know much about this stuff, but after all the
medicare fraud and other such abuses, I can't say I'd expect much
more. >:-(

Heh, heh... I wouldn't either. I've been skimming over some of the
history of the railroads and came up with a fair amount of
political BS, some stock scams, and abuse of government help.

It's the difference between producing values and producing BS to
justify a meaningless existance. Like Gore claiming to have created
the internet.

BRs,
Mike

As for railroads, you come to LA and you see places like Huntington
Beach and Huntington Park named after Collis Huntington, the railroad
tycoon. http://www.huntington.tierranet.com/bios/collis.htm which is
a decidedly favorably biased account. Then there were other accounts.

And then there's Baldwin Hills, etc., named after "Lucky" Baldwin.
http://www.socalhistory.org/Biographies/baldwin.htm



BRs,
Mike

 

[Richard Henry]

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:02:04 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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There. So I left out "transcontinental". Show me a govt-subsidized
transcontinental RR that turned a profit back then. Show me one
that turns a profit now.


http://www.up.com/investors/annuals/02annual/finhigh.pdf



I checked that site and GOA and can't find any mention of govt
subsidies except where Amtrak is concerned and of course the fact
that the RR was built with the help of subsidies.

Sorry. I thought we were discusing your first amazing statment:

"It was the only railroad in the country to ever show a profit."

 

[Robert Monsen]

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:24:56 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> said...
In article <MPG.1a529197cac2b6ac989739@news.west.earthlink.net>,
mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net mentioned...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:47:27 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
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I can't remember the man's name that built the only US railroad
from money he raised himself. no govt money involved. It was the
only railroad in the country to ever show a profit.

Do you have a reference to this amazing fact?


It was in a book called "The Book". It's not here. Google Neotech
or try it as a domain name. The book is partly hogwash, but someone
I talked to had heard of this guy. The RR was built across the
north part of the country and may have crossed into Canada. I tried
google on John Hill, and didn't find anything obvious. Not being
sure of his name, I don't know.

Do you know of any Federally subsidized businesses that *do* turn a
profit?

I heard on the news that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now in the
spotlight. Turns out that with all the billions the gummint pours
into them, they don't do much at all to lower the interest rate for
the borrowers. I don't know much about this stuff, but after all the
medicare fraud and other such abuses, I can't say I'd expect much
more. >:-(

Heh, heh... I wouldn't either. I've been skimming over some of the
history of the railroads and came up with a fair amount of
political BS, some stock scams, and abuse of government help.

It's the difference between producing values and producing BS to
justify a meaningless existance. Like Gore claiming to have created
the internet.

That was debunked long ago... here is what vint cerf (one of the real
creators of the internet) has to say about Al Gore's actual contribution...

http://tinyurl.com/28h23

Regards
Bob Monsen

BRs,
Mike


As for railroads, you come to LA and you see places like Huntington
Beach and Huntington Park named after Collis Huntington, the railroad
tycoon. http://www.huntington.tierranet.com/bios/collis.htm which is
a decidedly favorably biased account. Then there were other accounts.

And then there's Baldwin Hills, etc., named after "Lucky" Baldwin.
http://www.socalhistory.org/Biographies/baldwin.htm



BRs,
Mike

 

[Active8]

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:37:52 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:02:04 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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There. So I left out "transcontinental". Show me a govt-subsidized
transcontinental RR that turned a profit back then. Show me one
that turns a profit now.


http://www.up.com/investors/annuals/02annual/finhigh.pdf



I checked that site and GOA and can't find any mention of govt
subsidies except where Amtrak is concerned and of course the fact
that the RR was built with the help of subsidies.

Sorry. I thought we were discusing your first amazing statment:

Ever notice how discussions tend to move on? If we were discussing
my first staement, why are you bringing up financial reports from
the past 3 years?

"It was the only railroad in the country to ever show a profit."

Notice the word "was" in my original statement? That's called past

tense.

Now check the quote from the book:

p. 84 -- "From day one, the government-subsidized transcontinental
railroads never, ever turned a profit."

It *does not* say "haven't ever turned a profit."

Not that I expect a true profit anyway. Give me $1 and I can put it
in the bank and claim a profit for that year.

So... What in your opinion was my second "amazing" statement?

 

[Active8]

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:19:30 GMT, postmaster@BulkingPro.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:24:56 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> said...
In article <MPG.1a529197cac2b6ac989739@news.west.earthlink.net>,
mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net mentioned...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:47:27 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
news:MPG.1a5108489600b584989730@news.west.earthlink.net...

I can't remember the man's name that built the only US railroad
from money he raised himself. no govt money involved. It was the
only railroad in the country to ever show a profit.

Do you have a reference to this amazing fact?


It was in a book called "The Book". It's not here. Google Neotech
or try it as a domain name. The book is partly hogwash, but someone
I talked to had heard of this guy. The RR was built across the
north part of the country and may have crossed into Canada. I tried
google on John Hill, and didn't find anything obvious. Not being
sure of his name, I don't know.

Do you know of any Federally subsidized businesses that *do* turn a
profit?

I heard on the news that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now in the
spotlight. Turns out that with all the billions the gummint pours
into them, they don't do much at all to lower the interest rate for
the borrowers. I don't know much about this stuff, but after all the
medicare fraud and other such abuses, I can't say I'd expect much
more. >:-(

Heh, heh... I wouldn't either. I've been skimming over some of the
history of the railroads and came up with a fair amount of
political BS, some stock scams, and abuse of government help.

It's the difference between producing values and producing BS to
justify a meaningless existance. Like Gore claiming to have created
the internet.


That was debunked long ago... here is what vint cerf (one of the real
creators of the internet) has to say about Al Gore's actual contribution...

http://tinyurl.com/28h23

Yes. I do remember some discussion to the effect that what he
really meant was that he made a great contribution. He probably
caused AOL stocks to soar by going over his free minutes
downloading porn and causing a need for more bandwidth

The whole thing blew me away at the time because I'd already read
up on the origins and IIRC, I was deep into a pdf file from IBM (?)
on the TCP/IP spec which covered the history of ARPANET and all
that.

BRs,
Mike

Regards
Bob Monsen

BRs,
Mike


As for railroads, you come to LA and you see places like Huntington
Beach and Huntington Park named after Collis Huntington, the railroad
tycoon. http://www.huntington.tierranet.com/bios/collis.htm which is
a decidedly favorably biased account. Then there were other accounts.

And then there's Baldwin Hills, etc., named after "Lucky" Baldwin.
http://www.socalhistory.org/Biographies/baldwin.htm



BRs,
Mike

 

[Active8]

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:15:07 GMT, mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net
said...

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:19:30 GMT, postmaster@BulkingPro.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:24:56 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> said...
In article <MPG.1a529197cac2b6ac989739@news.west.earthlink.net>,
mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net mentioned...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:47:27 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
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I can't remember the man's name that built the only US railroad
from money he raised himself. no govt money involved. It was the
only railroad in the country to ever show a profit.

Do you have a reference to this amazing fact?


It was in a book called "The Book". It's not here. Google Neotech
or try it as a domain name. The book is partly hogwash, but someone
I talked to had heard of this guy. The RR was built across the
north part of the country and may have crossed into Canada. I tried
google on John Hill, and didn't find anything obvious. Not being
sure of his name, I don't know.

Do you know of any Federally subsidized businesses that *do* turn a
profit?

I heard on the news that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now in the
spotlight. Turns out that with all the billions the gummint pours
into them, they don't do much at all to lower the interest rate for
the borrowers. I don't know much about this stuff, but after all the
medicare fraud and other such abuses, I can't say I'd expect much
more. >:-(

Heh, heh... I wouldn't either. I've been skimming over some of the
history of the railroads and came up with a fair amount of
political BS, some stock scams, and abuse of government help.

It's the difference between producing values and producing BS to
justify a meaningless existance. Like Gore claiming to have created
the internet.


That was debunked long ago... here is what vint cerf (one of the real
creators of the internet) has to say about Al Gore's actual contribution...

http://tinyurl.com/28h23

Yes. I do remember some discussion to the effect that what he
really meant was that he made a great contribution. He probably
caused AOL stocks to soar by going over his free minutes
downloading porn and causing a need for more bandwidth

The whole thing blew me away at the time because I'd already read
up on the origins and IIRC, I was deep into a pdf file from IBM (?)
on the TCP/IP spec which covered the history of ARPANET and all
that.

That link you posted goes a little deeper. I don't recall his name
from what I'd read in the past.

BRs,
Mike

Regards
Bob Monsen

BRs,
Mike


As for railroads, you come to LA and you see places like Huntington
Beach and Huntington Park named after Collis Huntington, the railroad
tycoon. http://www.huntington.tierranet.com/bios/collis.htm which is
a decidedly favorably biased account. Then there were other accounts.

And then there's Baldwin Hills, etc., named after "Lucky" Baldwin.
http://www.socalhistory.org/Biographies/baldwin.htm



BRs,
Mike

 

[Robert Monsen]

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:15:07 GMT, mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net
said...
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:19:30 GMT, postmaster@BulkingPro.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a53cc8cc5293bec989748@news.west.earthlink.net...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:24:56 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> said...
In article <MPG.1a529197cac2b6ac989739@news.west.earthlink.net>,
mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net mentioned...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:47:27 -0800, rphenry@home.com said...

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net,invalid> wrote in
message
news:MPG.1a5108489600b584989730@news.west.earthlink.net...

I can't remember the man's name that built the only US
railroad
from money he raised himself. no govt money involved. It was
the
only railroad in the country to ever show a profit.

Do you have a reference to this amazing fact?


It was in a book called "The Book". It's not here. Google
Neotech
or try it as a domain name. The book is partly hogwash, but
someone
I talked to had heard of this guy. The RR was built across the
north part of the country and may have crossed into Canada. I
tried
google on John Hill, and didn't find anything obvious. Not being
sure of his name, I don't know.

Do you know of any Federally subsidized businesses that *do*
turn a
profit?

I heard on the news that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now in the
spotlight. Turns out that with all the billions the gummint pours
into them, they don't do much at all to lower the interest rate
for
the borrowers. I don't know much about this stuff, but after all
the
medicare fraud and other such abuses, I can't say I'd expect much
more. >:-(

Heh, heh... I wouldn't either. I've been skimming over some of the
history of the railroads and came up with a fair amount of
political BS, some stock scams, and abuse of government help.

It's the difference between producing values and producing BS to
justify a meaningless existance. Like Gore claiming to have created
the internet.


That was debunked long ago... here is what vint cerf (one of the real
creators of the internet) has to say about Al Gore's actual
contribution...

http://tinyurl.com/28h23

Yes. I do remember some discussion to the effect that what he
really meant was that he made a great contribution. He probably
caused AOL stocks to soar by going over his free minutes
downloading porn and causing a need for more bandwidth

The whole thing blew me away at the time because I'd already read
up on the origins and IIRC, I was deep into a pdf file from IBM (?)
on the TCP/IP spec which covered the history of ARPANET and all
that.

That link you posted goes a little deeper. I don't recall his name
from what I'd read in the past.

Well, my first job out of school was at BBN in the early 80s. Thats the
place that built and ran the original arpanet. Vint Cerf was the Stanford
prof whose group designed the original TCP/IP protocols. I first heard of
him when I worked on the MCI mail project.

I don't remember Al Gore being around...

Here are some tidbits...

http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?Cerf,+Vint
http://essaysfromexodus.scripting.com/vintCerfOriginRfc

Regards,
Bob Monsen

BRs,
Mike

Regards
Bob Monsen

BRs,
Mike


As for railroads, you come to LA and you see places like
Huntington
Beach and Huntington Park named after Collis Huntington, the
railroad
tycoon. http://www.huntington.tierranet.com/bios/collis.htm which
is
a decidedly favorably biased account. Then there were other
accounts.

And then there's Baldwin Hills, etc., named after "Lucky" Baldwin.
http://www.socalhistory.org/Biographies/baldwin.htm



BRs,
Mike

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <3fe48587$0$64968$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl>, Frank Bemelman
<fbemelx@euronet.invalid.nl> writes

What I also don't understand why US based companies don't
filter foreign addresses.

And if non-us ISPs filter out all US addresses we will get rid of 90% of
the Internet spam.

The problem is that most of the US does not use US addresses... ie *.us
the *.com, *.net and *.org are international.

My ISP has just announced a method of deleting spam in it's servers as
it comes in. I think it is the brightmail system.

It is a pity that the US is (once again) doing it's own thing and not
following the rest of the world with legislating opt-IN systems.
Especially since the majority of the spam comes from the US.

I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to the
US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting the
rest of the world.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <MPG.1a4ebc13bcd4016798972a@news.west.earthlink.net>, Active8
<mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net> writes

Problem. Once you get out of basic, unless you're in a combat-arms
MOS, you only qualify with the rifle once a year and that's a
cakewalk. The training budget sucks. It takes a lot of ammo to
teach a soldier to shoot under stress.

It takes a lot less than you might think. The problem is that they DO
open fire... far to easily.

The trick is getting them home alive.

That is in the hands of the training instructors and the strategists.

Strategists (or rather tacticians) who, at the moment are making things
far worse with the "Get tough" policy in Iraq.... It has failed in
Israel for the last 50 years.

Training instructors who tech them discipline and tactics under fire so
that the don't fire wildly killing civilians etc (thus creating more
anti-US feeling) and missing the targets.

It is better the target is missed and no civilians hit than the
terrorist is hit and several civilians killed. Especially if houses are
destroyed at the same time. This simply generates new "soldiers" and
sympathisers for the terrorists.

Restraint under fire generates respect from the locals and undermines
the terrorists arguments. Remember keeping troops are there to be shot
at and, in the grand scheme they are expendable. I know I was one


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Chris Hills wrote:

I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to the
US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting the
rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?

--
Merry Christmas!

Take care, and God bless.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:3FEC36ED.B4045BFF@earthlink.net (Michael A. Terrell):

Chris Hills wrote:


I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to
the US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting
the rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?

Personally, I'd like to see an unbiased list of junk email traffic, with
verified source IP addresses, and their corresponding network registration
locations and names. Only then could we really say where most of the mail is
coming from and going to. I see no reason why american hackers (in situ
"bad" hackers) would target foreign addresses more than homeland addresses.

The majority of spam I get (in the states) is from overseas; mainly Taiwan
and 3rd-world countries who don't even use my codepage. I'd love to see it
all done away with. But ya don't see me blaming it all on the brits...
without proof, blame is a narrow-minded assumption. That's not like
Europeans... right? Right.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Mark Jones wrote:

In news:3FEC36ED.B4045BFF@earthlink.net (Michael A. Terrell):
Chris Hills wrote:


I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to
the US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting
the rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?

Personally, I'd like to see an unbiased list of junk email traffic, with
verified source IP addresses, and their corresponding network registration
locations and names. Only then could we really say where most of the mail is
coming from and going to. I see no reason why american hackers (in situ
"bad" hackers) would target foreign addresses more than homeland addresses.

The majority of spam I get (in the states) is from overseas; mainly Taiwan
and 3rd-world countries who don't even use my codepage. I'd love to see it
all done away with. But ya don't see me blaming it all on the brits...
without proof, blame is a narrow-minded assumption. That's not like
Europeans... right? Right.

We could do more to solve the problem if people worked together
rather than spreading blame. The second day I was on line I got 16
emails from an ass selling hard hats, so I replied to each and every
copy to tell him I was happy to add his company to my list of companies
to never do business with. I think any ISP that forwards mail with
incomplete headers should be blocked from the net till they fix their
problems. Whether it takes a day, or till the company that buys them out
in bankruptcy court fixes the problems. DOn't let their customers send
Email through the ISP's mail server without the proper account name
would help a lot, too. The E-mail protocols are way out of date. If they
can run secure web servers, I am sure they could do the same for E-mail.
It would require a lot of new software, but think of the money it would
save ISPs if they cold eliminate even 50% of the spam?
--
Merry Christmas!

Take care, and God bless.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <3FEC36ED.B4045BFF@earthlink.net>, Michael A. Terrell
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes

Chris Hills wrote:


I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to the
US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting the
rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?
No. But, according the ISP's in Europe the majority of the spam they

see comes from the US

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

 

[Chris Hills]

In article <6OKdnYzvTe3F-XGiRVn-jw@buckeye-express.com>, Mark Jones
<127.0.0.1@?.?> writes

In news:3FEC36ED.B4045BFF@earthlink.net (Michael A. Terrell):
Chris Hills wrote:


I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to
the US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting
the rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?


Personally, I'd like to see an unbiased list of junk email traffic, with
verified source IP addresses, and their corresponding network registration
locations and names. Only then could we really say where most of the mail is
coming from and going to. I see no reason why american hackers (in situ
"bad" hackers) would target foreign addresses more than homeland addresses.

The majority of spam I get (in the states) is from overseas; mainly Taiwan
and 3rd-world countries who don't even use my codepage. I'd love to see it
all done away with. But ya don't see me blaming it all on the brits...
without proof, blame is a narrow-minded assumption. That's not like
Europeans... right? Right.

Correct. I think it has been shown that the majority comes from a group
of spam/ mass-mail businesses (not lone hackers) based in the SE US,
Florid I think.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

 

[Chuck Harris]

Chris Hills wrote:

Correct. I think it has been shown that the majority comes from a group
of spam/ mass-mail businesses (not lone hackers) based in the SE US,
Florid I think.

I live in the SE US, and the majority of the spam I receive each day
(180 out of 200) comes from the pacific rim countries, Taiwan, Hong
Kong, Korea, Singapor, Japan. I get very little that I can actually
read.

If I were a spammer, I would put my target audience in another country
so as to isolate myself from legal action.

-Chuck

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Chris Hills wrote:

In article <3FEC36ED.B4045BFF@earthlink.net>, Michael A. Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes
Chris Hills wrote:


I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to the
US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting the
rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?

No. But, according the ISP's in Europe the majority of the spam they
see comes from the US

Then block the ISPs responsible, and tell them they are blocked.
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Merry Christmas!

Take care, and God bless.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <TnjGKKBj6C7$EANA@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, chris@phaedsys.org
mentioned...

In article <3fe48587$0$64968$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl>, Frank Bemelman
fbemelx@euronet.invalid.nl> writes
What I also don't understand why US based companies don't
filter foreign addresses.

And if non-us ISPs filter out all US addresses we will get rid of 90% of
the Internet spam.

The problem is that most of the US does not use US addresses... ie *.us
the *.com, *.net and *.org are international.

My ISP has just announced a method of deleting spam in it's servers as
it comes in. I think it is the brightmail system.

It is a pity that the US is (once again) doing it's own thing and not
following the rest of the world with legislating opt-IN systems.
Especially since the majority of the spam comes from the US.

I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to the
US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting the
rest of the world.

You have to remember that just because it comes from the U.S. doesn't
mean that those of us in the U.S. that don't send spam should be
blamed.

About the most you should blame us for is coming up with a protocol
that is so weak that it allows this abuse to take place.

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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <AcbyEADALJ7$EAdl@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, chris@phaedsys.org
mentioned...

In article <6OKdnYzvTe3F-XGiRVn-jw@buckeye-express.com>, Mark Jones
127.0.0.1@?.?> writes
In news:3FEC36ED.B4045BFF@earthlink.net (Michael A. Terrell):
Chris Hills wrote:


I have even seen calls from some people to cut the Internet links to
the US until it sorts out the spam problem in the US that is infecting
the rest of the world.

Go for it. The only spam I get right now is from .tw, in a
non-english font. I suppose you'll tell me that comes from the US, too?


Personally, I'd like to see an unbiased list of junk email traffic, with
verified source IP addresses, and their corresponding network registration
locations and names. Only then could we really say where most of the mail is
coming from and going to. I see no reason why american hackers (in situ
"bad" hackers) would target foreign addresses more than homeland addresses.

The majority of spam I get (in the states) is from overseas; mainly Taiwan
and 3rd-world countries who don't even use my codepage. I'd love to see it
all done away with. But ya don't see me blaming it all on the brits...
without proof, blame is a narrow-minded assumption. That's not like
Europeans... right? Right.

Correct. I think it has been shown that the majority comes from a group
of spam/ mass-mail businesses (not lone hackers) based in the SE US,
Florid I think.

Boca Raton, the spam capital of the world. Hi, Mike! (down there in
Fla.) ;-)

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goes directly to the trash unless you add NOSPAM in the
Subject: line with other stuff. alondra101 <at> hotmail.com
Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com>
wrote (in <3fec95a2$0$4744$61fed72c@news.rcn.com&gt about 'OT (US
CITIZENS ONLY): S877 Can Spam Law', on Fri, 26 Dec 2003:

If I were a spammer, I would put my target audience in another country
so as to isolate myself from legal action.

But there isn't any point if your messages are in a script that the
recipients can't read. It's crazy!
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[Active8]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:03:16 +0000, chris@phaedsys.org said...

In article <MPG.1a4ebc13bcd4016798972a@news.west.earthlink.net>, Active8
mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net> writes

Problem. Once you get out of basic, unless you're in a combat-arms
MOS, you only qualify with the rifle once a year and that's a
cakewalk. The training budget sucks. It takes a lot of ammo to
teach a soldier to shoot under stress.

It takes a lot less than you might think. The problem is that they DO
open fire... far to easily.

See below

The trick is getting them home alive.

That is in the hands of the training instructors and the strategists.

Strategists (or rather tacticians) who, at the moment are making things
far worse with the "Get tough" policy in Iraq.... It has failed in
Israel for the last 50 years.

Training instructors who tech them discipline and tactics under fire so
that the don't fire wildly killing civilians etc (thus creating more
anti-US feeling) and missing the targets.

It is better the target is missed and no civilians hit than the
terrorist is hit and several civilians killed. Especially if houses are
destroyed at the same time. This simply generates new "soldiers" and
sympathisers for the terrorists.

Restraint under fire generates respect from the locals and undermines
the terrorists arguments. Remember keeping troops are there to be shot
at and, in the grand scheme they are expendable. I know I was one


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It's obvious you don't know the first thing about combat and you
prefer to blather on about US policy. I wasn't talking about
opening fire in a spray and pray fashion. I was talking about being
able to run a few miles and still be able to kick your ass, come
under fire and shoot you center of mass with 2 shots -- a "double
tap."

Units with (at one time) proper training budgets like SEALs, HRT,
Delta Force... they can clear a room or plane without hitting
hostages. No disrespect to the SAS intended.

That US gal who was captured... being from a support unit, that
group didn't get that kind of training. I don't care if they did
expend all their ammo. It didn't help.

You can't shoot when you're all stressed out unless you've learned
to stress shoot.

Don't forget, it was the USA that waited patiently and calmly
behind cover while the king's soldiers marched rank and file into
an ambush and received their first ass kicking in our war for
independance.

HH,
Mike