OT (US CITIZENS ONLY): S877 Can Spam Law

[Richard Henry]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:SxaBaRATQT7$Ewtf@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com
wrote (in <3fec95a2$0$4744$61fed72c@news.rcn.com&gt about 'OT (US
CITIZENS ONLY): S877 Can Spam Law', on Fri, 26 Dec 2003:

If I were a spammer, I would put my target audience in another country
so as to isolate myself from legal action.

But there isn't any point if your messages are in a script that the
recipients can't read. It's crazy!

Two possible points:

1. The spammer gets paid by the client based on the number of emails sent.
2. A reply to the spam will verify the existence of the email account.

 

[Chuck Harris]

I've never seen any point to the whole affair. If you haven't taken
them up on one offer for HGH, prescription free viagra, legal narcotics,
cum sucking babes, piss thirsty whores, penis enlargement pills that
will make your girlfriend scream with pain!, ... How will 10,000 more
offers for the same services help their case?

-Chuck

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com
wrote (in <3fec95a2$0$4744$61fed72c@news.rcn.com&gt about 'OT (US
CITIZENS ONLY): S877 Can Spam Law', on Fri, 26 Dec 2003:


If I were a spammer, I would put my target audience in another country
so as to isolate myself from legal action.


But there isn't any point if your messages are in a script that the
recipients can't read. It's crazy!

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <gUeHb.14533$7D3.4442@fed1read02>, rphenry@home.com
mentioned...

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:SxaBaRATQT7$Ewtf@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com
wrote (in <3fec95a2$0$4744$61fed72c@news.rcn.com&gt about 'OT (US
CITIZENS ONLY): S877 Can Spam Law', on Fri, 26 Dec 2003:

If I were a spammer, I would put my target audience in another country
so as to isolate myself from legal action.

But there isn't any point if your messages are in a script that the
recipients can't read. It's crazy!

Two possible points:

1. The spammer gets paid by the client based on the number of emails sent.
2. A reply to the spam will verify the existence of the email account.

As for #2, what's the point? The spammers don't care about whether or
not the email add is valid, because they suffer no consequence of it
is not. Any error msg from the receiveing mailer daemon goes right to
the unfortunate relay server or proxy they're raping, so they never
see it. They can't sell list of 'verified' email addrs to other
spammers because other spammers are already crawling the web
scrounging their own addrs. So the amount of money that a 'millions'
CD-ROM goes for is nearly nothing per addr. And spammers are not in
the business of selling lists, they're in the biz of spewing emails at
the rate of tens of millions per day. They really don't have time for
verifying addrs, that's why they deflect all email replies, so the
replyer just get an error msg that the spammer's reply addr doesn't
exist.



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My email address is whitelisted. *All* email sent to it
goes directly to the trash unless you add NOSPAM in the
Subject: line with other stuff. alondra101 <at> hotmail.com
Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Chuck Harris]

Verification of email addresses is generally done by clicking on a
URL of a website that handles the job. The verified address lists
sell for a whole bunch more than the un processed lists that come
from harvesting.

-Chuck

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover wrote:

As for #2, what's the point? The spammers don't care about whether or
not the email add is valid, because they suffer no consequence of it
is not. Any error msg from the receiveing mailer daemon goes right to
the unfortunate relay server or proxy they're raping, so they never
see it. They can't sell list of 'verified' email addrs to other
spammers because other spammers are already crawling the web
scrounging their own addrs. So the amount of money that a 'millions'
CD-ROM goes for is nearly nothing per addr. And spammers are not in
the business of selling lists, they're in the biz of spewing emails at
the rate of tens of millions per day. They really don't have time for
verifying addrs, that's why they deflect all email replies, so the
replyer just get an error msg that the spammer's reply addr doesn't
exist.

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <3feddfa8$0$4762$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, cfharris@erols.com
mentioned...

Verification of email addresses is generally done by clicking on a
URL of a website that handles the job. The verified address lists
sell for a whole bunch more than the un processed lists that come
from harvesting.

-Chuck

Clicking on a website that's not the spammer's website. The spammer's
'reply to be removed' email address is almost always invalid.

Spammers don't buy their lists.

Heh-heh, except for that spammer Richter, and his OptInRealBig.com.
Which now has their tit in a wringer because they've been spamming to
tens of millions of email addresses that they claim are opt-in, but we
all know better, there ain't no such thing as tens or millions of opt-
in email addrs. So yeah, he bought a bunch of addrs that the seller
lied and said were 'opt-in', but were really no such thing. So now
what? He'd better have a damn good lawyer. Here's his sob story.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_2
528349,00.html

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover wrote:

As for #2, what's the point? The spammers don't care about whether or
not the email add is valid, because they suffer no consequence of it
is not. Any error msg from the receiveing mailer daemon goes right to
the unfortunate relay server or proxy they're raping, so they never
see it. They can't sell list of 'verified' email addrs to other
spammers because other spammers are already crawling the web
scrounging their own addrs. So the amount of money that a 'millions'
CD-ROM goes for is nearly nothing per addr. And spammers are not in
the business of selling lists, they're in the biz of spewing emails at
the rate of tens of millions per day. They really don't have time for
verifying addrs, that's why they deflect all email replies, so the
replyer just get an error msg that the spammer's reply addr doesn't
exist.

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###Got a Question about ELECTRONICS? Check HERE First:###
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My email address is whitelisted. *All* email sent to it
goes directly to the trash unless you add NOSPAM in the
Subject: line with other stuff. alondra101 <at> hotmail.com
Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Baphomet]

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:JJCdnRJQ3crrMXmiRVn-jw@comcast.com...

snip...snip...snip...

And, I have found that is so much easier to do than
10-15 years ago. It seems that some lack the communication
and language skills needed to understand the simplest
phrases and word patterns. Each sentence and partial
sentence becomes a single thought to them, rather than
reading and taking in the entire article and adapting
a general drift of what you're trying to say.

snip...snip...snip...

Great point Bill. I am a great believer in speaking the King's English (at
least for English speaking countries) because true understanding...indeed
civilization itself, depends largely upon it. Notwithstanding the newsgroups
where a rapid response is often more important than one of a grammatically
correct nature, use of language, especially on the internet and to a lesser
degree in the school system, is truly appalling.

 

[AllenB]

Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<gpoEb.2403$qx2.383171@stones.force9.net>...

In sci.electronics.design Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Our "wonderful" representatives in Congress have passed, and Dubya has
signed into law "Can Spam"....

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/S877CanSpam.pdf

This law is a joke... it requires OPT OUT, thus legalizing a whole
torrent of spam.

I suggest you contact your Representative and your Senators and
suggest that their voting for OPT OUT = VOTE OUT the dummy ;-)

Can non-US residents opt-out (of US generated spam)?

Ironically, most spam is generated to promote US businesses, although
it floods the rest of the worlds' inboxes indiscriminantly, us non-US
residents are not protected by the spam laws.
The only way to deal with spam is for the US government to take action
against the companies being spamvertised, as well as the senders of the spam.
I have never been in favour of the death penalty until now; however, I think
that it may be the best deterrent for spamming and the only way to stop this
large scale abuse.
Regards,
Allen

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <9a56ca0b.0401141141.340d36d2@posting.google.com>,
allenb_deja@my-deja.com mentioned...

Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<gpoEb.2403$qx2.383171@stones.force9.net>...
In sci.electronics.design Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Our "wonderful" representatives in Congress have passed, and Dubya has
signed into law "Can Spam"....

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/S877CanSpam.pdf

This law is a joke... it requires OPT OUT, thus legalizing a whole
torrent of spam.

I suggest you contact your Representative and your Senators and
suggest that their voting for OPT OUT = VOTE OUT the dummy ;-)

Can non-US residents opt-out (of US generated spam)?

Ironically, most spam is generated to promote US businesses, although
it floods the rest of the worlds' inboxes indiscriminantly, us non-US
residents are not protected by the spam laws.
The only way to deal with spam is for the US government to take action
against the companies being spamvertised, as well as the senders of the spam.
I have never been in favour of the death penalty until now; however, I think
that it may be the best deterrent for spamming and the only way to stop this
large scale abuse.
Regards,
Allen

With the new federal law, there will be more enforcement. States have
been making laws against spam since 1998, and that's when a law should
have been passed by congress. It's a terrible shame that it had to
get this bad before something major was done at the federal level. It
may take a while before things get better, but as more and more
spammers see that they are going to be caught, the volume of spam
should lessen. This and with better filters in more software, should
put a stake thru the heart of the spam problem.


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###Got a Question about ELECTRONICS? Check HERE First:###
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My email address is whitelisted. *All* email sent to it
goes directly to the trash unless you add NOSPAM in the
Subject: line with other stuff. alondra101 <at> hotmail.com
Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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