OT: more from the resident alarmist

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:27:24 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:43:54 -0800 (PST), speff <spehro@gmail.com
wrote:

On Monday, 17 February 2020 10:43:11 UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 04:15:10 -0800 (PST), speff <spehro@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:13:56 UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:19:07 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 8:54:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 11:54:30 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the significance of this data?

They agree with my numbers now. The official number went up 30% overnight to 60,000.

snip

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

"Surge in number of cases and deaths due in most part to the adoption of a new diagnosis classification.

In conformity with other provinces, starting today, Hubei Province will include the number of clinically diagnosed cases into the number of confirmed cases.
Of the 14,840 cases added, 13,332 are due to the new classification while 1,508 are new cases."

That explains the jump in reported cases, but what about the reported deaths? That also has jumped. Were they not counting some deaths because they were not certain they were due to this new virus? So the death rate all along was higher than the numbers we've been seeing?

If the case met the clinical diagnosis criteria prior to death they can retroactively reclassify it. If they never got the patient to a CT scanner, for example, then it can't be. That's my interpretation anyway.


One of the reason is that Xi ordered people back to work. Don't know how that's going to work with public transits also shutdown at the same time. So, with more movements, infected and death rates are both going up.

The local governments (presumably with direction from the provincial and central governments and their epidemiologists) have been *delaying* back to work permission until health and safety supplies and materials are in place. In some places, the governments have not been as strict and the employees are being pushed to return by their companies because the government-imposed delay is voluntary. As well, with schools implementing distance learning for the next weeks it's difficult for moms to get out.

Below notification some of my peeps got- it is only valid a week after all the paperwork is electronically submitted. The landlord is also imposing restrictions on entry to the building (have to be on a list of approved people with clean background of no (admitted) visits to the most affected area, temperature check and their own supplies of hand disinfectant and masks).

https://i.imgur.com/gO6mbaZ.png

This is from the municipal level government. They were asking another Dutch-owned company for some ridiculous requirements to re-open- they eventually backed off to something practical, but they're still not open AFAIK.

AFAIK public transit is only shut in one city (Wuhan) out of hundreds in China, but they're doing additional checking in the subways. For example, my Shenzhen transit card wouldn't be accepted (temporarily) now because I paid cash for it, and it's not linked to my ID. They have passenger lists from long distance trains going to and from Hubei so they can cross check ID ("RealID") and keep people who have been in the most affected area off the crowded subway at least. Particularly important for a major city like Shenzhen where most of the people are from elsewhere in the country.

Xi reasoning is that it's better to have some people dying from the virus, than most people suffering from economic set backs. Of course, he and his elites are the most affected by the economic down-turn.

They can't delay indefinitely, the local company owners are going to start disobeying the law just from the financial pressures. Even though they know if there is an outbreak at their factory they'll be severely punished.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

What ultimately ends an epidemic? Maybe most of the suceptable people
have had it and died or got immune. Seems to me like the sorts of
measures taken now just change the time scale of the infection curve.

I don't think everyone got MERS, SARS or Ebola so it can be stopped, though this one is pretty infectious and had a long enough incubation that it got a deep foothold with opportune timing. When there are only a few hundred people in hospital they can trace all their close contacts and get them to at least self-quarantine and it appears to be stopping (though that's not for sure yet).

There don't seem to be non-human vectors, like rats or mosquitoes,
that we can eradicate to eliminate the infection locally.

Yes. It's possible there is a (as-yet undiscovered) reservoir in some other species but it's clearly not the primary mode of infection.

Absent a vaccine, it would take extreme, worldwide, sustained (ie
impossible) action to actually kill off the virus.

That seems to be the view the professionals are taking, that travel restrictions will only affect the time scale. But maybe it can be almost completely stopped (like SARS, MERS and Ebola). Maybe it will mutate into something less harmful.

Maybe it can be delayed until a vaccine can be deployed as part of the usual flu vaccinations, if it's going to be another part of our usual flu season.

And if you get 300 large cities at once in rough shape rather than 3, the total number who get sick may be similar but the death rate difference could be an order of magnitude worse.

Based on the official numbers (usual caveat), the number of unresolved cases appears to have peaked. Red=confirmed Orange =suspected

https://i.imgur.com/thV4tX6.png

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

A cynical approach would to save the economy at the cost of 2% of the
population.

Last week, there were some (VPN) messages saying that they have not had meat for a while, only some vegetable left in local market. Will probably run out in a few days. One guys was optimistic that this will end at end of the month. Unfortunately, it might not end the way he expected.

Not too many message this week. The final solution may not be too far away.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:51:12 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 8:42:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 10:08:24 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:c2559a3a-b7ae-4422-b6f1-ed5f0278e66e@googlegroups.com:


The US imprisons a whole lot more (655 per 100,000 population in
2016) than China (164 per 100,000 in 2015).

Not based on religion, dumbfuck. Learn to read. Then learn to
properly interpret.

Who cares why the people get imprisoned?

Typical lib fool. It makes no difference to you if someone gets
imprisoned for murder, political dissent, or being a Jew. All about
the same. Thanks for representing for the crazy libs.

Whoey Louie can't see that a country imprisoning 655 per 100,000 people manifests a rather more dramatic indifference to personal liberty than thatmanifested by country that only imprisons 164 per 100,000.

Discussing about who get imprisoned for what is worrying about details.

In Whoey Louie's case, he wants an excuse to ignore the defects of the US, while concentrating on the defects he can see in every other country.

--
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Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:d3a3f92c-6f11-44a1-b7da-56a8acb96f63@googlegroups.com:

In Whoey Louie's case, he wants an excuse to ignore the defects of
the US, while concentrating on the defects he can see in every
other country.

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Billy SloTard wants to claim defects, when in fact, the rate we
imprison people is directly tied to the fact that criminals think they
can get an easy free ride here.

In simple terms, you are a goddamned cursory glance idiotic jackass,
at best.

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:d3a3f92c-6f11-44a1-b7da-56a8acb96f63@googlegroups.com:

Whoey Louie can't see that a country imprisoning 655 per 100,000
people manifests a rather more dramatic indifference to personal
liberty than thatmanifested by country that only imprisons 164 per
100,000.

Discussing about who get imprisoned for what is worrying about
details.

Again, you are a fucking idiot, because just like they witheld stats
on the virus outbreak, they withold details on how many of their
citizens they execute.

You are, in fact, about as in the dark as it gets.

Next you'll be telling us that the N Korea governance are good
guys.

 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

There are mainland Internet users capable of using VPN tunnel under the firewall. They are posting many messages, pictures and videos. Deputy director of the CDC in response to the reporter's question of death count. Her answer was that the number is highly under-estimated

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

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[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 6:27:24 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:43:54 -0800 (PST), speff <spehro@gmail.com
wrote:

On Monday, 17 February 2020 10:43:11 UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 04:15:10 -0800 (PST), speff <spehro@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:13:56 UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:19:07 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 8:54:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 11:54:30 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

A cynical approach would be to save the economy at the cost of 2% of the
population.

John Larkin probably should have spelled out what that cynical approach might be.

He seems to share Whooey Louie's delusion that 75,213 confired case and 2009 deaths represents a 2% death rate (actually 2.67%), when in fact the 2009 deaths might better be compared to the 16,628 resolved cases, which is a 14.6% death rate, but their are problems with that too.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

says just that it is too early to say.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

Letting the epidemic run it's course wouldn't do anything good for the economy. even if only 2% of the population ended up dead.

Factories don't work well while half the workers are sick in bed, and the ones that get very sick - currently 21% of those infected - aren't going to get back to work quickly (if at all).

China may make a judgement call about the regions of the country that need to be in full lock-down, but letting the epidemic run it's course and spread into adjacent countries wouldn't be a popular choice.

Perhaps not unpopular enough for the neighbours to use hydrogen bombs to sterilise particular hot-beds of infection, but once Trump has a got an idea into his head it's difficult to get him to think ot out again.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:24:03 AM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

Another day of data makes the pattern more clear...

Feb 04 24553
Feb 05 28276 3723
Feb 06 31439 3163
Feb 07 34876 3437
Feb 08 37552 2676
Feb 09 40553 3001
Feb 10 43099 2546
Feb 11 45170 2071
Feb 12 59283 14113
Feb 13 64437 5154
Feb 14 67100 2663
Feb 15 69197 2097

This was the second smallest number of new infections other than the day before the criteria change. Of course this does not indicate the reason for the change. It could be the lack of facilities to process all the sick in the center of the contagion. Or it could be that the measures to prevent the spread of infection are starting to work.

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

Feb 04 492
Feb 05 565 73
Feb 06 638 73
Feb 07 724 86
Feb 08 813 89
Feb 09 910 97
Feb 10 1018 108
Feb 11 1115 97
Feb 12 1261 146
Feb 13 1383 122
Feb 14 1526 143
Feb 15 1669 143

Here is the more recent data...

Infections Deaths
Total New Total New
Feb 14 67100 2663 Feb 14 1526 143
Feb 15 69197 2097 Feb 15 1669 143
Feb 16 71329 2132 Feb 16 1775 106
Feb 17 73332 2003 Feb 17 1873 98
Feb 18 75198 1866 Feb 18 2009 136

The new infection rate seems to be dropping rather than increasing. The number of deaths had been dropping, but spiked on the last day.

All in all, this seems to show the measures taken to reduce the tide are starting to work.

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On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:25:30 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

There are mainland Internet users capable of using VPN tunnel under the firewall. They are posting many messages, pictures and videos. Deputy director of the CDC in response to the reporter's question of death count. Her answer was that the number is highly under-estimated

I asked a simple question and you evade. Obviously you have no sources.

chatango.com for one.

You don't have to believe me. Just wait. All shippings in/out of China are shutdown now. Electronics/Auto/Drug shipments are halted. We will see the effect in April. Container shipments take around 2 months. Estimate of 60% are empty. The rest are stuck somewhere.

Local governments are not listening to the central government to stop blockades. They are more afraid of the virus than their political lives.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

There are mainland Internet users capable of using VPN tunnel under the firewall. They are posting many messages, pictures and videos. Deputy director of the CDC in response to the reporter's question of death count. Her answer was that the number is highly under-estimated

I asked a simple question and you evade. Obviously you have no sources.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:35:12 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:d3a3f92c-6f11-44a1-b7da-56a8acb96f63@googlegroups.com:

Whoey Louie can't see that a country imprisoning 655 per 100,000
people manifests a rather more dramatic indifference to personal
liberty than thatmanifested by country that only imprisons 164 per
100,000.

Discussing about who get imprisoned for what is worrying about
details.

Again, you are a fucking idiot, because just like they witheld stats
on the virus outbreak, they withold details on how many of their
citizens they execute.

They were slow to admit that the virus outbreak was happening, but at the moment they seem to be publishing the figures as they get them.

The official number of executions in China isn't pulbished, but the most recent estimate was for about 2400 in 2013. It's negligible compared with the 2.2 million in their prisons

> You are, in fact, about as in the dark as it gets.

I don't share your favourite delusions, but that means that I'm not in the dark in the same way that you are, and I suspect that it's you who is in the dark here, rather than me.

Next you'll be telling us that the N Korea governance are good
guys.

You really can't do joined up logic. The point at issue is that the US keeps a lot higher proportion of it's population in prison than China. Compared with other advanced industrial countries the US keeps it's criminal in prison for longer any given offense. Neither China nor North Korea qualifies as an advanced country, so they may put their citizens in prison for reasons that don't strike us as good, but that's not the issue under discussion.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:37:20 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:d3a3f92c-6f11-44a1-b7da-56a8acb96f63@googlegroups.com:

In Whoey Louie's case, he wants an excuse to ignore the defects of
the US, while concentrating on the defects he can see in every
other country.

--

Bill Sloman wants to claim defects, when in fact, the rate we
imprison people is directly tied to the fact that criminals think they
can get an easy free ride here.

In reality, you put them in prison for longer for a given offense than any other advanced industrial country thinks necessary or appropriate.

White collar criminals do get a remarkably easy ride in the US, but they don't constitute the bulk of the US prison population.

In simple terms, you are a goddamned cursory glance idiotic jackass,
at best.

You do like to advance this proposition, but it just establishes you own status as an under-informed jackass. It's not as if you can provide any rational argument or evidence to support your position.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 10:43:11 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 04:15:10 -0800 (PST), speff <spehro@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:13:56 UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:19:07 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 8:54:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 11:54:30 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the significance of this data?

They agree with my numbers now. The official number went up 30% overnight to 60,000.

snip

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

"Surge in number of cases and deaths due in most part to the adoption of a new diagnosis classification.

In conformity with other provinces, starting today, Hubei Province will include the number of clinically diagnosed cases into the number of confirmed cases.
Of the 14,840 cases added, 13,332 are due to the new classification while 1,508 are new cases."

That explains the jump in reported cases, but what about the reported deaths? That also has jumped. Were they not counting some deaths because they were not certain they were due to this new virus? So the death rate all along was higher than the numbers we've been seeing?

If the case met the clinical diagnosis criteria prior to death they can retroactively reclassify it. If they never got the patient to a CT scanner, for example, then it can't be. That's my interpretation anyway.


One of the reason is that Xi ordered people back to work. Don't know how that's going to work with public transits also shutdown at the same time. So, with more movements, infected and death rates are both going up.

The local governments (presumably with direction from the provincial and central governments and their epidemiologists) have been *delaying* back to work permission until health and safety supplies and materials are in place. In some places, the governments have not been as strict and the employees are being pushed to return by their companies because the government-imposed delay is voluntary. As well, with schools implementing distance learning for the next weeks it's difficult for moms to get out.

Below notification some of my peeps got- it is only valid a week after all the paperwork is electronically submitted. The landlord is also imposing restrictions on entry to the building (have to be on a list of approved people with clean background of no (admitted) visits to the most affected area, temperature check and their own supplies of hand disinfectant and masks)..

https://i.imgur.com/gO6mbaZ.png

This is from the municipal level government. They were asking another Dutch-owned company for some ridiculous requirements to re-open- they eventually backed off to something practical, but they're still not open AFAIK.

AFAIK public transit is only shut in one city (Wuhan) out of hundreds in China, but they're doing additional checking in the subways. For example, my Shenzhen transit card wouldn't be accepted (temporarily) now because I paid cash for it, and it's not linked to my ID. They have passenger lists from long distance trains going to and from Hubei so they can cross check ID ("RealID") and keep people who have been in the most affected area off the crowded subway at least. Particularly important for a major city like Shenzhen where most of the people are from elsewhere in the country.

Xi reasoning is that it's better to have some people dying from the virus, than most people suffering from economic set backs. Of course, he and his elites are the most affected by the economic down-turn.

They can't delay indefinitely, the local company owners are going to start disobeying the law just from the financial pressures. Even though they know if there is an outbreak at their factory they'll be severely punished.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

What ultimately ends an epidemic? Maybe most of the suceptable people
have had it and died or got immune. Seems to me like the sorts of
measures taken now just change the time scale of the infection curve.

You mean the way that SARS and MERS continued until the world was exposed? I don't know how you can live day to day with the limited ability you have to think.

There don't seem to be non-human vectors, like rats or mosquitoes,
that we can eradicate to eliminate the infection locally.

Not vectors, but reservoirs. If the disease came from another animal once, it can happen again.

Absent a vaccine, it would take extreme, worldwide, sustained (ie
impossible) action to actually kill off the virus.

You mean like SARS and MERS?

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:35:09 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:25:30 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

There are mainland Internet users capable of using VPN tunnel under the firewall. They are posting many messages, pictures and videos. Deputy director of the CDC in response to the reporter's question of death count. Her answer was that the number is highly under-estimated

I asked a simple question and you evade. Obviously you have no sources..

chatango.com for one.

You don't have to believe me. Just wait.

No, I don't believe the same baseless reporting you pay attention to. Waiting is what we all will do.


> All shippings in/out of China are shutdown now. Electronics/Auto/Drug shipments are halted. We will see the effect in April. Container shipments take around 2 months. Estimate of 60% are empty. The rest are stuck somewhere.

So a simple Corona Virus did what Trump couldn't do, eh? We'll see who cracks first, China or the rest of the world.


> Local governments are not listening to the central government to stop blockades. They are more afraid of the virus than their political lives.

You believe every video you see as the whole truth. You believe what you want to believe. I prefer to believe the b believable.

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On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:58:46 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:03:45 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

He gets anecdotal evidence by e-mail from other alarmists.

Yes, that too. Western medias are slow, but eventually confirm most data. For example, shipping issues:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-shipping-nears-a-standstill-amid-coronavirus-disruption-11581699854

 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:41:02 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:35:09 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:25:30 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

There are mainland Internet users capable of using VPN tunnel under the firewall. They are posting many messages, pictures and videos. Deputy director of the CDC in response to the reporter's question of death count.. Her answer was that the number is highly under-estimated

I asked a simple question and you evade. Obviously you have no sources.

chatango.com for one.

You don't have to believe me. Just wait.

No, I don't believe the same baseless reporting you pay attention to. Waiting is what we all will do.


All shippings in/out of China are shutdown now. Electronics/Auto/Drug shipments are halted. We will see the effect in April. Container shipments take around 2 months. Estimate of 60% are empty. The rest are stuck somewhere.

So a simple Corona Virus did what Trump couldn't do, eh? We'll see who cracks first, China or the rest of the world.

Yes, China Inc. is shutdown period. Trump wants to slow it down. Xi wants to restart it. But the locals are not listening.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:35:09 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:25:30 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

There are mainland Internet users capable of using VPN tunnel under the firewall. They are posting many messages, pictures and videos. Deputy director of the CDC in response to the reporter's question of death count. Her answer was that the number is highly under-estimated

I asked a simple question and you evade. Obviously you have no sources..

chatango.com for one.

You don't have to believe me. Just wait. All shippings in/out of China are shutdown now. Electronics/Auto/Drug shipments are halted. We will see the effect in April. Container shipments take around 2 months. Estimate of 60% are empty. The rest are stuck somewhere.

Local governments are not listening to the central government to stop blockades. They are more afraid of the virus than their political lives.

Seems sensible. The virus seems to kill 14% of the people it infects - not that this is a particularly reliable estimate - and it will do it with a week.

Political errors may get you retired eventually, but are much less likely to get you killed, and are even less likely to kill your nearest and dearest..

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:51:12 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 8:42:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 10:08:24 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:c2559a3a-b7ae-4422-b6f1-ed5f0278e66e@googlegroups.com:


The US imprisons a whole lot more (655 per 100,000 population in
2016) than China (164 per 100,000 in 2015).

Not based on religion, dumbfuck. Learn to read. Then learn to
properly interpret.

Who cares why the people get imprisoned?

Typical lib fool. It makes no difference to you if someone gets
imprisoned for murder, political dissent, or being a Jew. All about
the same. Thanks for representing for the crazy libs.

It doesn't make any difference to me why other people get imprisoned.

The distinction between the US and china does seem to depend more on how long people get imprisoned. China's legal system isn't all that transparent, but when the US is compared with other advanced industrial countries it's very high incarceration rate does sees to reflect much longer sentences rather than more numerous criminals.

The fact that US capitalists can use prisoners as cheap labour might come into this. There were a few small but well publicised scandals where people running prisons for profit were bribing judges to give longer sentences so that the private prisons had more prisoners on which the owners could make more profit.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:03:45 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

He gets anecdotal evidence by e-mail from other alarmists.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 8:12:07 PM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 10:17:39 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:58:46 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:03:45 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 11:20:28 AM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

In a similar manner, it appears the death rate is also leveling off, but the numbers are not as clear. Another day or two may provide more clear evidence.

WuHan has 7 to 8 funeral homes, cremating 150 to 200 each. Direct death may be low. Indirect death (starvations, complications, suicides and others) due to the virus are very high.

And you know this how???

He gets anecdotal evidence by e-mail from other alarmists.

Yes, that too. Western medias are slow, but eventually confirm most data. For example, shipping issues:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-shipping-nears-a-standstill-amid-coronavirus-disruption-11581699854

I know an ultra-conservative like this. She will spout a sound bite thinking she is discussing a topic. When asked a question about it she spouts another, unrelated sound bite. If pressed hard enough she will answer the question. Ask more questions and eventually she will concede that one point, but quickly launches onto another sound bite. Lather, rinse, repeat. She never figures out that her sound bites don't actually mean anything.

Edward is not capable of understanding what he is being asked. He can only think in terms of his fantasy of information from China. That there are stray facts in the fantasy reinforces all of it.

Oh well...

You are not capable of doing your research. You only know how to insult.