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I don't see a problem legally, though most people won't do that becauseOn Jan 11, 4:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.
Sylvia.
Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
That's not the relevant test. You need to look at how a particular model
of incandescent lamp is most often going to be used. If it's for general
lighting service, and otherwise fits the definition, then it's banned.
The fact that you can find uses for the lamp that are not general
lighting service uses doesn't save the lamp from its fate.
So the question of distinguishing a pantry light from a fridge light
doesn't arise.
Sylvia.
So is it perfectly legal to change over all my current general
lighting incandescent light globes with incandescent light globes from
my oven or fridge? I just checked and fridge lamp screws into my desk
lamp and lights properly. I'm not too sure about the oven lamp as
it's a little more difficult to access.
The test is how they are actually used, not what the manufacturer saysOn Jan 11, 4:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.
Sylvia.
Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
That's not the relevant test. You need to look at how a particular model
of incandescent lamp is most often going to be used. If it's for general
lighting service, and otherwise fits the definition, then it's banned.
The fact that you can find uses for the lamp that are not general
lighting service uses doesn't save the lamp from its fate.
So the question of distinguishing a pantry light from a fridge light
doesn't arise.
So why don't the manufacturers of current general lighting
incandescent globes just re package them saying they are to be used in
fridges and pantries only.
It seemed a possibility, but at the same time inappropriate.Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?
So is it perfectly legal to change over all my current generalTG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.
Sylvia.
Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
That's not the relevant test. You need to look at how a particular model
of incandescent lamp is most often going to be used. If it's for general
lighting service, and otherwise fits the definition, then it's banned.
The fact that you can find uses for the lamp that are not general
lighting service uses doesn't save the lamp from its fate.
So the question of distinguishing a pantry light from a fridge light
doesn't arise.
Sylvia.
So why don't the manufacturers of current general lightingTG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.
Sylvia.
Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
That's not the relevant test. You need to look at how a particular model
of incandescent lamp is most often going to be used. If it's for general
lighting service, and otherwise fits the definition, then it's banned.
The fact that you can find uses for the lamp that are not general
lighting service uses doesn't save the lamp from its fate.
So the question of distinguishing a pantry light from a fridge light
doesn't arise.
In which case you'll no doubt be happy, and reduce your energyMore than adequate light for my pantry and in my walk in robe.
Are you really just crazy or stupid or what?blofelds_cat wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run
them through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?
It seemed a possibility, but at the same time inappropriate.
rgds,Sylvia.
--
That must be some fridge you have there. What is it - a walk in?On Jan 11, 6:08 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
More than adequate light for my pantry and in my walk in robe.
In which case you'll no doubt be happy, and reduce your energy
consumption as well, which, after all, was the purpose of the regulation.
I'm not sure how you fathom that it will reduce my energy consumption
because my fridge light is 60 watt
You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay betterOn Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?
And the backpedalling begins.
How am I meant to be able to answer that?Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run
them through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?
It seemed a possibility, but at the same time inappropriate.
Are you really just crazy or stupid or what?
trannie, just make all your fixtures in multiples of two lamps and putblofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
Sylvia.
If you did want to circumvent the ban you would not even need the
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.
Sylvia.
Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
That's not the relevant test. You need to look at how a particular model
of incandescent lamp is most often going to be used. If it's for general
lighting service, and otherwise fits the definition, then it's banned.
The fact that you can find uses for the lamp that are not general
lighting service uses doesn't save the lamp from its fate.
So the question of distinguishing a pantry light from a fridge light
doesn't arise.
Sylvia.
So is it perfectly legal to change over all my current general
lighting incandescent light globes with incandescent light globes from
my oven or fridge? I just checked and fridge lamp screws into my desk
lamp and lights properly. I'm not too sure about the oven lamp as
it's a little more difficult to access.
I don't see a problem legally, though most people won't do that because
lamps intended for fridge use are not very powerful, and won't provide
the required amount of light.
And the backpedalling begins.Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?
I'm not sure how you fathom that it will reduce my energy consumptionTG'sFM wrote:
More than adequate light for my pantry and in my walk in robe.
In which case you'll no doubt be happy, and reduce your energy
consumption as well, which, after all, was the purpose of the regulation.
I don't think he actually wants an answer. He's just posting for theblofelds_cat wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run
them through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?
It seemed a possibility, but at the same time inappropriate.
Are you really just crazy or stupid or what?
How am I meant to be able to answer that?
Sylvia.
That's a good point. I might look into that for my pantry. OvenSylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
Sylvia.
If you did want to circumvent the ban you would not even need the
trannie, just make all your fixtures in multiples of two lamps and put
them in series
Or far more cheaply, wire two in series.Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
I'm far from sure that will work properly. When an incandescent lamp is"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496975e8$0$18714$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Or far more cheaply, wire two in series.
MrT.
Seems to me that I have had to go round a set of Christmas Tree lightsOn Jan 11, 10:10 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496975e8$0$18714$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Or far more cheaply, wire two in series.
MrT.
I'm far from sure that will work properly. When an incandescent lamp is
turned on, its resistance rises as it heats up, over a period of a
fraction of a second. Put two in series, and a slight difference between
the initial resistances will cause one to heat up faster than the other.
The one that heats faster also sees its resistance rise faster, which in
turn means that its rate of heating relative to the other rises further
still.
It's easy to see that the end result of this is that one burns out
before the other can heat up enough to take its share of the load.
Christmas Tree lights are usually wired in series, but the fact that
there's a large number of them reduces this effect.
Sylvia.
Christmas Tree lights are NOT wired in series. If they were, once
just ONE bulb blew out, the whole lot wouldn't work. Please think
BEFORE you post, in futurer.
something in the cap that that conducted when lamp blew and if too manyOn Jan 11, 10:10 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496975e8$0$18714$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Or far more cheaply, wire two in series.
MrT.
I'm far from sure that will work properly. When an incandescent lamp is
turned on, its resistance rises as it heats up, over a period of a
fraction of a second. Put two in series, and a slight difference between
the initial resistances will cause one to heat up faster than the other.
The one that heats faster also sees its resistance rise faster, which in
turn means that its rate of heating relative to the other rises further
still.
It's easy to see that the end result of this is that one burns out
before the other can heat up enough to take its share of the load.
Christmas Tree lights are usually wired in series, but the fact that
there's a large number of them reduces this effect.
Sylvia.
Christmas Tree lights are NOT wired in series. If they were, once
just ONE bulb blew out, the whole lot wouldn't work. Please think
BEFORE you post, in futurer.
The older ones with bigger lamps (about 2" long ) were in series but had