OT It's all a Bloody con.........

Luke O'Zade wrote:
"F Murtz"<haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4968389c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
F Murtz wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

Luke O'Zade wrote:
"Davo"<Dave@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49675207_9@news.peopletelecom.com.au...

You can save electricity by removing the bulb, that way it won't use
power when the fridge door is closed.
You don't anyway the lamp goes out when the door is closed!

How do you know you can't see through the door
You know you can't see thru the door, because if you could you'd be able
to see that the light is off, as well as the contents of the fridge, and
know that you needed to get milk as well..

Confounded elusive question marks.
You don't anyway the lamp goes out when the door is closed!

How do you know? you can't see through the door

Very easily ..........Open the door lamp cold lamp out. Lamp warm, lamp has
been on!
In the early hours of the morning after a night on the piss bloke crawls
back into bed next to his wife and says "when did we get the automatic
light in the toilet" and she replied "you pissed in the fridge you dickhead"
 
On 2009-01-10, John G. <greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:9548e599-c3f3-4948-88bc-1d6e9d5262ff@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

Not a bad idea, but what about the incandecant light on my Breville
sandwich maker? It has a red light to tell me it is heating, and a
green light to tell me when it's cooked.
bullshit, those are neons.

If I remove them (as required by law after November)
there's no law requiring removal of lamps.

will the sandwich maker still work?
it will still cook sandwitches without the lights, only you will have
to listen for the thermostat click, or guess when it's hot enough.

The same applies to my Kenwood electric jug, although it only has a
red light to say when the thing is still boiling water. If I remove
that bulb (as required by law after November) will it still boil water
or do I have to resort to ice coffee?
that's a neon too.

An what law is that?? Please cite a reference.
http://www.environment.gov.au/settlements/energyefficiency/lighting.html
 
Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2009-01-10, John G. <greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:9548e599-c3f3-4948-88bc-1d6e9d5262ff@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

Not a bad idea, but what about the incandecant light on my Breville
sandwich maker? It has a red light to tell me it is heating, and a
green light to tell me when it's cooked.


bullshit, those are neons.

If I remove them (as required by law after November)


there's no law requiring removal of lamps.

will the sandwich maker still work?


it will still cook sandwitches without the lights, only you will have
to listen for the thermostat click, or guess when it's hot enough.

The same applies to my Kenwood electric jug, although it only has a
red light to say when the thing is still boiling water. If I remove
that bulb (as required by law after November) will it still boil water
or do I have to resort to ice coffee?


that's a neon too.

An what law is that?? Please cite a reference.


http://www.environment.gov.au/settlements/energyefficiency/lighting.html
TG'FM is a troll. You don't take him/her/it seriously.

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments
 
On Jan 11, 12:00 pm, ^Tems^ <stevebrook...@live.com> wrote:
Luke O'Zade wrote:
"F Murtz"<hagg...@hotmail.com>  wrote in message
news:4968389c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
F Murtz wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

Luke O'Zade wrote:
"Davo"<D...@gmail.com>  wrote in message
news:49675207_9@news.peopletelecom.com.au...

You can save electricity by removing the bulb, that way it won't use
power when the fridge door is closed.
You don't anyway the lamp goes out when the door is closed!

How do you know you can't see through the door
You know you can't see thru the door, because if you could you'd be able
to see that the light is off, as well as the contents of the fridge, and
know that you needed to get milk as well..

Confounded elusive question marks.
You don't anyway the lamp goes out when the door is closed!

How do you know? you can't see through the door

Very easily ..........Open the door lamp cold lamp out. Lamp warm, lamp has
been on!

In the early hours of the morning after a night on the piss bloke crawls
back into bed next to his wife and says "when did we get the automatic
light in the toilet" and she replied "you pissed in the fridge you dickhead"
How do you know that happened? Were you there?
 
"^Tems^" <stevebrooks13@live.com> wrote in message
news:6ssulhF8252qU1@mid.individual.net...



Very easily ..........Open the door lamp cold lamp out. Lamp warm, lamp
has
been on!



In the early hours of the morning after a night on the piss bloke crawls
back into bed next to his wife and says "when did we get the automatic
light in the toilet" and she replied "you pissed in the fridge you
dickhead"
How did you go about flushing the bugger?
 
TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 1:06 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2009-01-10, John G. <greent...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:9548e599-c3f3-4948-88bc-1d6e9d5262ff@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

Not a bad idea, but what about the incandecant light on my Breville
sandwich maker? It has a red light to tell me it is heating, and a
green light to tell me when it's cooked.

bullshit, those are neons.

If I remove them (as required by law after November)

there's no law requiring removal of lamps.

will the sandwich maker still work?

it will still cook sandwitches without the lights, only you will have
to listen for the thermostat click, or guess when it's hot enough.

The same applies to my Kenwood electric jug, although it only has a
red light to say when the thing is still boiling water. If I remove
that bulb (as required by law after November) will it still boil water
or do I have to resort to ice coffee?

that's a neon too.

An what law is that?? Please cite a reference.

http://www.environment.gov.au/settlements/energyefficiency/lighting.html

TG'sFM is a troll. You don't take him/her/it seriously.


Er, he was not only agreeing with me, but he was also backing up what
I said with a reference. So tell me, what are YOU here for if not
simply for trolling purposes?
fun, humour, entertainment, intelligent repartee, discussion, learning,
etc.,

If you aren't interested in debating
this serious issue, then go start your own thread somewhere else.
Preferably in another newsgroup dedicated to morons like you.
Yeah, righto mate.. like you seriously believe that you need to remove
indicator lights from snack makers, and all the rest of the bullshit
that you post.
 
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-
buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html
You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing light,
they are miniture heaters.
When compact fluorescent light bulbs become conventional, will we
call them conventional bulbs?
They won't become conventional. The whole process will be a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?
New traffic lights use LEDs.
And old ones don't.
Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.
Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal including train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before November
this year. I doubt that the legislators have thought this whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to replace EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then. I have a new LG fridge and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs. I asked the sales person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there is no part
number in his order book. Does that mean I have to switch my less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG builds and
supplies the new bulbs? How will I keep my beer cold after November?
How will I heat my party pies? Will I be forced to starve to death?
You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being affected by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be available.
Domestic lamps will not.
So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and buy a
commercial one?
Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and other spotlights
are still widely available.
Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.
No they won't.

Well argued sir. Care to cite a reference which says such globes will
be exempt from the legislation?
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar20087n256o2008622/sch1.html

Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."

Sylvia.
 
On Jan 11, 1:06 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2009-01-10, John G. <greent...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:9548e599-c3f3-4948-88bc-1d6e9d5262ff@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com....

Not a bad idea, but what about the incandecant light on my Breville
sandwich maker?  It has a red light to tell me it is heating, and a
green light to tell me when it's cooked.

bullshit, those are neons.

If I remove them (as required by law after November)

there's no law requiring removal of lamps.

will the sandwich maker still work?

it will still cook sandwitches without the lights, only you will have
to listen for the thermostat click, or guess when it's hot enough.

The same applies to my Kenwood electric jug, although it only has a
red light to say when the thing is still boiling water.  If I remove
that bulb (as required by law after November) will it still boil water
or do I have to resort to ice coffee?

that's a neon too.

An what law is that?? Please cite a reference.

http://www.environment.gov.au/settlements/energyefficiency/lighting.html

TG'FM is a troll. You don't take him/her/it seriously.
Er, he was not only agreeing with me, but he was also backing up what
I said with a reference. So tell me, what are YOU here for if not
simply for trolling purposes? If you aren't interested in debating
this serious issue, then go start your own thread somewhere else.
Preferably in another newsgroup dedicated to morons like you.
 
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."

So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?

Sylvia.
 
TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 1:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-

buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing light,
they are miniture heaters.

When compact fluorescent light bulbs become conventional, will we
call them conventional bulbs?

They won't become conventional. The whole process will be a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?

New traffic lights use LEDs.

And old ones don't.

Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.

Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal including train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before November
this year. I doubt that the legislators have thought this whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to replace EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then. I have a new LG fridge and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs. I asked the sales person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there is no part
number in his order book. Does that mean I have to switch my less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG builds and
supplies the new bulbs? How will I keep my beer cold after November?
How will I heat my party pies? Will I be forced to starve to death?

You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being affected by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be available.
Domestic lamps will not.

So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and buy a
commercial one?

Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and other spotlights
are still widely available.

Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.

No they won't.

Well argued sir. Care to cite a reference which says such globes will
be exempt from the legislation?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar2...

Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."


So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
One might safely assume that unless the energy saving equivalent becomes
available, and the existing versions no longer are, one could continue
to use the present variety, and they would continue to be sold. As well
one might also assume that because of their low wattage, unique
application and therefore limited usage, no production of energy saving
equivalents is envisaged, at least in the immediate future. But possibly
at some point in time no incandescent lamps will be produced or available.

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments
 
blofelds_cat wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 1:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com
wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-


buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light,
they are miniture heaters.

When compact fluorescent light bulbs become conventional,
will we
call them conventional bulbs?

They won't become conventional. The whole process will be
a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?

New traffic lights use LEDs.

And old ones don't.

Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know
because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report
blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.

Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal including
train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before
November
this year. I doubt that the legislators have thought this
whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to replace
EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then. I have a new LG fridge and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs. I asked the sales
person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there is
no part
number in his order book. Does that mean I have to switch my
less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG
builds and
supplies the new bulbs? How will I keep my beer cold after
November?
How will I heat my party pies? Will I be forced to starve to
death?

You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being affected
by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be available.
Domestic lamps will not.

So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and buy a
commercial one?

Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and
other spotlights
are still widely available.

Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.

No they won't.

Well argued sir. Care to cite a reference which says such globes will
be exempt from the legislation?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar2...

Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."


So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?


One might safely assume that unless the energy saving equivalent becomes
available, and the existing versions no longer are, one could continue
to use the present variety, and they would continue to be sold. As well
one might also assume that because of their low wattage, unique
application and therefore limited usage, no production of energy saving
equivalents is envisaged, at least in the immediate future. But possibly
at some point in time no incandescent lamps will be produced or available.
That isn't really the point though. The issue appeared to be whether the
ban captures them, regardless of how disruptive that might be. However,
I do not believe they are caught by the ban because IMHO they are not
for general lighting services.

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.

Sylvia.
 
On Jan 11, 1:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-
buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html
You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing light,
they are miniture heaters.
When compact fluorescent light bulbs become conventional, will we
call them conventional bulbs?
They won't become conventional.  The whole process will be a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?
New traffic lights use LEDs.
And old ones don't.
Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.
Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal including train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before November
this year.  I doubt that the legislators have thought this whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to replace EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then.  I have a new LG fridge and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs.  I asked the sales person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there is no part
number in his order book.  Does that mean I have to switch my less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG builds and
supplies the new bulbs?  How will I keep my beer cold after November?
How will I heat my party pies?   Will I be forced to starve to death?
You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being affected by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be available.
Domestic lamps will not.
So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and buy a
commercial one?
Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and other spotlights
are still widely available.
Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.
No they won't.

Well argued sir.  Care to cite a reference which says such globes will
be exempt from the legislation?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar2...

Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 1:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com
wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-


buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light,
they are miniture heaters.

When compact fluorescent light bulbs become
conventional, will we
call them conventional bulbs?

They won't become conventional. The whole process will
be a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?

New traffic lights use LEDs.

And old ones don't.

Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know
because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report
blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.

Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal including
train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before
November
this year. I doubt that the legislators have thought this
whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to
replace EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then. I have a new LG fridge
and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs. I asked the sales
person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there
is no part
number in his order book. Does that mean I have to switch my
less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG
builds and
supplies the new bulbs? How will I keep my beer cold after
November?
How will I heat my party pies? Will I be forced to starve
to death?

You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being
affected by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be
available.
Domestic lamps will not.

So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and buy a
commercial one?

Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and
other spotlights
are still widely available.

Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.

No they won't.

Well argued sir. Care to cite a reference which says such globes will
be exempt from the legislation?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar2...


Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."


So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?


One might safely assume that unless the energy saving equivalent
becomes available, and the existing versions no longer are, one could
continue to use the present variety, and they would continue to be
sold. As well one might also assume that because of their low wattage,
unique application and therefore limited usage, no production of
energy saving equivalents is envisaged, at least in the immediate
future. But possibly at some point in time no incandescent lamps will
be produced or available.


That isn't really the point though. The issue appeared to be whether the
ban captures them, regardless of how disruptive that might be. However,
I do not believe they are caught by the ban because IMHO they are not
for general lighting services.

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.

Sylvia.
Exactly.

If there's a market for a 'banned' product then an alternative will be quickly
produced and already be on the supermarket shelves. Certain special fancy shaped
globes and fridge/oven/nightlight globes do not have alternatives available so
there either isn't a market for them or, as is most likely the point, they are
not banned so an alternative has not been produced.

I'm not sure you will see a replacement for an oven globe too soon either.
Incandescent is still the most effective in this situation. The oven wastes more
power in thermal leakage than the globe would ever use over its lifetime.
 
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?

They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.

Sylvia.
 
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."

So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?

Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 1:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat
blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-


buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at
producing light,
they are miniture heaters.

When compact fluorescent light bulbs become
conventional, will we
call them conventional bulbs?

They won't become conventional. The whole process will
be a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?

New traffic lights use LEDs.

And old ones don't.

Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know
because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report
blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.

Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal
including train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before
November
this year. I doubt that the legislators have thought this
whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to
replace EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then. I have a new LG
fridge and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs. I asked the sales
person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there
is no part
number in his order book. Does that mean I have to switch
my less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG
builds and
supplies the new bulbs? How will I keep my beer cold after
November?
How will I heat my party pies? Will I be forced to starve
to death?

You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being
affected by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be
available.
Domestic lamps will not.

So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and
buy a
commercial one?

Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and
other spotlights
are still widely available.

Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.

No they won't.

Well argued sir. Care to cite a reference which says such globes
will
be exempt from the legislation?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar2...


Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."


So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?


One might safely assume that unless the energy saving equivalent
becomes available, and the existing versions no longer are, one could
continue to use the present variety, and they would continue to be
sold. As well one might also assume that because of their low
wattage, unique application and therefore limited usage, no
production of energy saving equivalents is envisaged, at least in the
immediate future. But possibly at some point in time no incandescent
lamps will be produced or available.


That isn't really the point though.
Yes, and you already made the point. I'm commenting further, though
perhaps unnecessarily for anyone with common sense, so IOW for the
benefit of TG'sFM.

The issue appeared to be whether the ban captures them, regardless of
how disruptive that might be. However, I do not believe they are
caught by the ban because IMHO they are not for general lighting
services.
Of course they're not. And common sense dictates that it was never
intended that they would be.

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.
Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..

Sylvia.
--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments
 
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?
They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.
I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.

Sylvia.

Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
That's not the relevant test. You need to look at how a particular model
of incandescent lamp is most often going to be used. If it's for general
lighting service, and otherwise fits the definition, then it's banned.
The fact that you can find uses for the lamp that are not general
lighting service uses doesn't save the lamp from its fate.

So the question of distinguishing a pantry light from a fridge light
doesn't arise.

Sylvia.
 
blofelds_cat wrote:

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.

Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..
Droves, perhaps not. But some might.

Sylvia.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.

Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..

Droves, perhaps not. But some might.
You DID realize I was being sarcastic?


--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments
 
On Jan 11, 4:16 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 11, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

Note the definition
"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."
So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?
Are they for general lighting services?

They are for general lighting of the inside of the fridge and oven,
yes.

I doubt that's the intent of the expression "general lighting services".
It is clear that a lamp creates light, and that the purpose of it is to
cast that light over some area. If all such lamps were deemed to be for
general lighting services then the phrase would be redundant, and would
not have been included in the legislation.

Sylvia.
Then it isn't a clear definition by any means. What about a light
inside a pantry or even a walk-in robe? How are those lamps any
different from a lamp used in the fridge? How is a pantry light
different to a fridge light?
 

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