OT It's all a Bloody con.........

[$)C"> Horry ">]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.

Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..

Droves, perhaps not. But some might.

You DID realize I was being sarcastic?


And the backpedalling begins.


You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.

He was referring to your sewing machine.

 

[F Murtz]

F Murtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
blofelds_cat wrote:
TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 1:47 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:38 am, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 6:38 pm, swanny
blahgswan3b...@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "DavidW" <n...@email.provided> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 9:39 am, blofelds_cat
blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 9, 8:13 am, ˘ž Horry ˘ž <horacewach...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green
bastards.............Sorry it's OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-


buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !
This is an off topic post.
Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at
producing light,
they are miniture heaters.

When compact fluorescent light bulbs become
conventional, will we
call them conventional bulbs?

They won't become conventional. The whole process will
be a dud.
Imagine traffic lights that neec 20 seconds to warm up?

New traffic lights use LEDs.

And old ones don't.

Yes, old ones use incandescents that blow regularly. I know
because I've called
VicRoads 12 times in about the last six months to report
blown globes in just a
4km x 1km square of Melbourne.

Presumably every single incandescent traffic signal
including train
level crossings will have to be converted to LED's before
November
this year. I doubt that the legislators have thought this
whole thing
through because it would be logistically impossible to
replace EVERY
single incandescent lamp before then. I have a new LG
fridge and
oven, and BOTH have incandescent bulbs. I asked the sales
person when
LED's or even flouro's would be available and he said there
is no part
number in his order book. Does that mean I have to switch
my less
than one year old fridge and oven off until such time as LG
builds and
supplies the new bulbs? How will I keep my beer cold after
November?
How will I heat my party pies? Will I be forced to starve
to death?

You are assuming that ALL incandescent light are being
affected by this ban.
I think you will find that this is not the case.
Specialist lamps for certain applications will still be
available.
Domestic lamps will not.

So my only choice is to sell my domestic fridge and oven and
buy a
commercial one?

Fridge lamps, Oven lamps, low-wattage night lamps, PAR-38 and
other spotlights
are still widely available.

Yes, but under the current proposed legislation, they will ALL be
banned from November 2009.

No they won't.

Well argued sir. Care to cite a reference which says such globes
will
be exempt from the legislation?

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar2...


Note the definition

"incandescent lamp means an incandescent lamp for general lighting
services..."


So does that include the incandescent lamp in the fridge and/or oven?


One might safely assume that unless the energy saving equivalent
becomes available, and the existing versions no longer are, one could
continue to use the present variety, and they would continue to be
sold. As well one might also assume that because of their low
wattage, unique application and therefore limited usage, no
production of energy saving equivalents is envisaged, at least in the
immediate future. But possibly at some point in time no incandescent
lamps will be produced or available.


That isn't really the point though. The issue appeared to be whether
the ban captures them, regardless of how disruptive that might be.
However, I do not believe they are caught by the ban because IMHO they
are not for general lighting services.

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.

Sylvia.
Also could probably get away with a diode in series with 110v lamp on 240v

There is another way if you want to continue with incandescent.
You can buy an RC 260v lamp (not roman catholic).
Robust construction These lamps are available, they go forever,at least
a lot longer because they are 260v and also not banned because they are
rated at 260v

 

[blofelds_cat]

♥ Horry ♥ wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:


On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:


Sylvia Else wrote:


blofelds_cat wrote:


Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V, one
could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and run them
through a transformer.


Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..


Droves, perhaps not. But some might.


You DID realize I was being sarcastic?


And the backpedalling begins.



You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.


He was referring to your sewing machine.

But it's fully electric and computer controlled..

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[fritz]

I reserve the right to top post when responding to idiots.
You should learn to control your own arsehole instead of speaking out of it.


TG'sFM <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message news:45db0eb9-286c-49b0-8f0a-865300cde0bf@v18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 12, 8:58 am, "fritz" <fr...@address.com> wrote:

For fuck's sake there are some fools in this NG...and TG'sFM <suv...@yahoo.fr> is a prime example...

FFS, can't you tell sarcasm when you read it? And besides, you're a
top post, so you're in no position to label others as fools. While on
the topic of top posting, if you can't control how you post, what
OTHER bodily functions can't you control? I hope you don't live near
a primary school or day care centre.

 

[Sylvia Else]

F Murtz wrote:

There is another way if you want to continue with incandescent.
You can buy an RC 260v lamp (not roman catholic).
Robust construction These lamps are available, they go forever,at least
a lot longer because they are 260v and also not banned because they are
rated at 260v

Why does being rated at 260v mean they're not banned?

Sylvia.

 

[F Murtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

There is another way if you want to continue with incandescent.
You can buy an RC 260v lamp (not roman catholic).
Robust construction These lamps are available, they go forever,at
least a lot longer because they are 260v and also not banned because
they are rated at 260v

Why does being rated at 260v mean they're not banned?

Sylvia.
Presumably because they are not nominally 220v at least this is how the

lamp importers read it

 

[Mr.T]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496aeed2$0$7277$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

How so? The ONLY effect is to eliminate one half cycle, (and thus halve
the
P-P voltage of course)
Let's hear what you think the new Peak, Average, and RMS voltages are?

Now you losing sight of the wood for the trees. Yes, there's an effect
on the resistance, but only because you're running the bulb above its
rating. If the filament doesn't blow, I wouldn't want to say what the
power will stabilise at, but it will be way way above the rating for the
bulb.

Nope, you still haven't calculated the RMS voltage which is what matters as
far as the filament is concerned.

MrT.

 

[Sylvia Else]

F Murtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

There is another way if you want to continue with incandescent.
You can buy an RC 260v lamp (not roman catholic).
Robust construction These lamps are available, they go forever,at
least a lot longer because they are 260v and also not banned because
they are rated at 260v

Why does being rated at 260v mean they're not banned?

Sylvia.
Presumably because they are not nominally 220v at least this is how the
lamp importers read it

The legislation says >= 220 volts, not just 220 volts.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar20087n256o2008622/s4va.html

Sylvia.

 

[F Murtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

There is another way if you want to continue with incandescent.
You can buy an RC 260v lamp (not roman catholic).
Robust construction These lamps are available, they go forever,at
least a lot longer because they are 260v and also not banned because
they are rated at 260v

Why does being rated at 260v mean they're not banned?

Sylvia.
Presumably because they are not nominally 220v at least this is how
the lamp importers read it

The legislation says >= 220 volts, not just 220 volts.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar20087n256o2008622/s4va.html


Sylvia.
Well the importers I spoke to have a problem then.

 

[Sylvia Else]

Mr.T wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496aeed2$0$7277$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
How so? The ONLY effect is to eliminate one half cycle, (and thus halve
the
P-P voltage of course)
Let's hear what you think the new Peak, Average, and RMS voltages are?
Now you losing sight of the wood for the trees. Yes, there's an effect
on the resistance, but only because you're running the bulb above its
rating. If the filament doesn't blow, I wouldn't want to say what the
power will stabilise at, but it will be way way above the rating for the
bulb.

Nope, you still haven't calculated the RMS voltage which is what matters as
far as the filament is concerned.

MrT.

For a 240 volt supply:

Since 240 volts is the RMS value, the mean square is that squared, or
240^2. Since we're throwing away half, the mean square of the result is
240^2 / 2. The RMS of that is then its square root, or 240 / sqrt(2) =
169.7 volts. Put that into a 110 volt lamp, and watch it fail.

Sylvia.

 

[TG'sFM]

On Jan 12, 9:15 pm, "fritz" <fr...@address.com> wrote:

I reserve the right to top post when responding to idiots.
You should learn to control your own arsehole instead of speaking out of it.

My suspicions about your bodily urges seems true. Why do you insist
on changing the subject of a simple post into a discussion about male
arseholes? Again I ask, what OTHER bodily urges can't you control?

 

[Sylvia Else]

F Murtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

There is another way if you want to continue with incandescent.
You can buy an RC 260v lamp (not roman catholic).
Robust construction These lamps are available, they go forever,at
least a lot longer because they are 260v and also not banned
because they are rated at 260v

Why does being rated at 260v mean they're not banned?

Sylvia.
Presumably because they are not nominally 220v at least this is how
the lamp importers read it

The legislation says >= 220 volts, not just 220 volts.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_reg/ciar20087n256o2008622/s4va.html


Sylvia.
Well the importers I spoke to have a problem then.

The regulation is not yet in force. It starts on the 1st of February. If
they think that they can continue to import after that date, and if the
lamps in question otherwise fit the definition in the regulation, then
the importers do indeed have a problem.

Sylvia.

 

[atec77]

Sylvia Else wrote:

Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496aeed2$0$7277$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
How so? The ONLY effect is to eliminate one half cycle, (and thus halve
the
P-P voltage of course)
Let's hear what you think the new Peak, Average, and RMS voltages are?
Now you losing sight of the wood for the trees. Yes, there's an effect
on the resistance, but only because you're running the bulb above its
rating. If the filament doesn't blow, I wouldn't want to say what the
power will stabilise at, but it will be way way above the rating for the
bulb.

Nope, you still haven't calculated the RMS voltage which is what
matters as
far as the filament is concerned.

MrT.



For a 240 volt supply:

Since 240 volts is the RMS value, the mean square is that squared, or
240^2. Since we're throwing away half, the mean square of the result is
240^2 / 2. The RMS of that is then its square root, or 240 / sqrt(2) =
169.7 volts. Put that into a 110 volt lamp, and watch it fail.

Sylvia.
Close but no cigar on the maths

 

[F Murtz]

Sylvia Else wrote:

Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496aeed2$0$7277$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
How so? The ONLY effect is to eliminate one half cycle, (and thus halve
the
P-P voltage of course)
Let's hear what you think the new Peak, Average, and RMS voltages are?
Now you losing sight of the wood for the trees. Yes, there's an effect
on the resistance, but only because you're running the bulb above its
rating. If the filament doesn't blow, I wouldn't want to say what the
power will stabilise at, but it will be way way above the rating for the
bulb.

Nope, you still haven't calculated the RMS voltage which is what
matters as
far as the filament is concerned.

MrT.



For a 240 volt supply:

Since 240 volts is the RMS value, the mean square is that squared, or
240^2. Since we're throwing away half, the mean square of the result is
240^2 / 2. The RMS of that is then its square root, or 240 / sqrt(2) =
169.7 volts. Put that into a 110 volt lamp, and watch it fail.

Sylvia.
I just connected a 110v 100w lamp in series with a diode on 240 v ac and

measured dc current with an avo (Analogue meter).635 amps.I have no way
to measure power
I would think 110v 100w lamp would take .9amps on 110v
it does flicker like mad could smooth dc but cant be bothered at the
moment.PS its been on for 30 min Might leave it on for a while

 

[F Murtz]

F Murtz wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:496aeed2$0$7277$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
How so? The ONLY effect is to eliminate one half cycle, (and thus
halve
the
P-P voltage of course)
Let's hear what you think the new Peak, Average, and RMS voltages are?
Now you losing sight of the wood for the trees. Yes, there's an effect
on the resistance, but only because you're running the bulb above its
rating. If the filament doesn't blow, I wouldn't want to say what the
power will stabilise at, but it will be way way above the rating for
the
bulb.

Nope, you still haven't calculated the RMS voltage which is what
matters as
far as the filament is concerned.

MrT.



For a 240 volt supply:

Since 240 volts is the RMS value, the mean square is that squared, or
240^2. Since we're throwing away half, the mean square of the result
is 240^2 / 2. The RMS of that is then its square root, or 240 /
sqrt(2) = 169.7 volts. Put that into a 110 volt lamp, and watch it fail.

Sylvia.
I just connected a 110v 100w lamp in series with a diode on 240 v ac and
measured dc current with an avo (Analogue meter).635 amps.I have no way
to measure power
I would think 110v 100w lamp would take .9amps on 110v
it does flicker like mad could smooth dc but cant be bothered at the
moment.PS its been on for 30 min Might leave it on for a while
Slight change in calculation needed the lamp is rated at 100w 120v Still

higher than it's taking

 

[blofelds_cat]

♥ Horry ♥ wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:57:01 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

♥ Horry ♥ wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:


Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and
run them through a transformer


Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..


Droves, perhaps not. But some might.


You DID realize I was being sarcastic?


And the backpedalling begins.


You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.


He was referring to your sewing machine.


But it's fully electric and computer controlled..


Fully electric and computer controlled sewing machines still have pedals
(as you well know).

Well I don't know, since I never use it. Only the Asians in the shed in
the backyard do.

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[blofelds_cat]

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 13, 1:18 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

♥ Horry ♥ wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:57:01 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

♥ Horry ♥ wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and
run them through a transformer

Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..

Droves, perhaps not. But some might.

You DID realize I was being sarcastic?

And the backpedalling begins.

You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.

He was referring to your sewing machine.

But it's fully electric and computer controlled..

Fully electric and computer controlled sewing machines still have pedals
(as you well know).

Well I don't know, since I never use it. Only the Asians in the shed in
the backyard do.


First you say that ALL muslims should be executed, and now you're
saying that Asians should live in sheds instead of houses. Is there
any end to your racist rants?

no!

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[$)C"> Horry ">]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:57:01 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

♥ Horry ♥ wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:


On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:


Sylvia Else wrote:


blofelds_cat wrote:


Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and
run them through a transformer.


Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..


Droves, perhaps not. But some might.


You DID realize I was being sarcastic?


And the backpedalling begins.



You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.


He was referring to your sewing machine.


But it's fully electric and computer controlled..

Fully electric and computer controlled sewing machines still have pedals
(as you well know).

 

[TG'sFM]

On Jan 13, 1:18 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

˘ž Horry ˘ž wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:57:01 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

˘ž Horry ˘ž wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and
run them through a transformer

Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..

Droves, perhaps not. But some might.

You DID realize I was being sarcastic?

And the backpedalling begins.

You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.

He was referring to your sewing machine.

But it's fully electric and computer controlled..

Fully electric and computer controlled sewing machines still have pedals
(as you well know).

Well I don't know, since I never use it. Only the Asians in the shed in
the backyard do.

First you say that ALL muslims should be executed, and now you're
saying that Asians should live in sheds instead of houses. Is there
any end to your racist rants?

 

[TG'sFM]

On Jan 13, 1:30 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 13, 1:18 am, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

˘ž Horry ˘ž wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:57:01 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

˘ž Horry ˘ž wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:28:27 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 11, 5:26 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

Sylvia Else wrote:

blofelds_cat wrote:

Indeed, given the requirement that the lamp voltage be >= 220V,
one could even lawfully import US 110V incandescent lamps, and
run them through a transformer

Yes, I can see ppl doing that in droves..

Droves, perhaps not. But some might.

You DID realize I was being sarcastic?

And the backpedalling begins.

You've been told before I don't own a bicycle. You need to pay better
attention.

He was referring to your sewing machine.

But it's fully electric and computer controlled..

Fully electric and computer controlled sewing machines still have pedals
(as you well know).

Well I don't know, since I never use it. Only the Asians in the shed in
the backyard do.

First you say that ALL muslims should be executed, and now you're
saying that Asians should live in sheds instead of houses. Is there
any end to your racist rants?

no!

So you're saying that there is MORE racist rants to come other than
the two (2) that I outlined?