OT: If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?...

[T]

On 9/11/23 01:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 10/09/2023 22:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.


There will be no peace treaty. Only Russia wants one, because it is
being destroyed.

Curious how that suddenly popped up. It is a good
indication that the Russians are getting their
clocks cleaned

 

[T]

On 9/10/23 20:04, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:56:21 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/10/23 15:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.

Surely they know what\'s planned to go in it?  The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn\'t like what\'s in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.

Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.

What appeasement was necessary prior to the US sponsored \'Revolution of
Dignity\' that overthrew the government that was elected in 2010. The 3100
international observers called it a free and fair election. Yanukovych
received 48.95% of the vote, Tymoshenko 45.47%. In the best Hillary
tradition Tymoshenko appealed but later withdrew her appeal.

Unfortunately Yanukovych did not meet the globalists\' expectation and had
to go.

Why are you supporting the end result of the globalists meddling in the
affairs of a sovereign country? Don\'t you feel a bit of cognitive
dissonance?

They should not be. It is not an excuse for Russia
to invade though.

Also keep in mind that our own presidency
is not legitimate.

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:11:01 +0100, Custos Custodum wrote:

It\'s just one of the problems faced when romanising other alphabets. In
Cyrillic, Zelensky\'s name ends in two almost identical vowels. The
second has an accent to indicate that it is shorter than the first. In
English, \"Zelenskyy\" isn\'t technically correct but there isn\'t really
any other way to show it. I\'m not sure that German has managed any
better.

I\'ve seen the Zelenskyy but I think the single \'y\' is more common. RT uses
Zelensky (and Kiev) unless they\'re trying to piss him off.

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:45:36 +0100, Custos Custodum wrote:

It\'s a possibility. However, in RP English the letter \"i\" is rarely if
ever pronounced as \"ee\". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)

Just about every Pole in the US... Not that we speak anything
resembling RP.

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:13:44 +0100, Colin Bignell wrote:

That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on
the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.

All to true. FDR moved heaven and hell to make that happen. My brother was
quite a bit older than I and was down at the USMC recruiting center bright
and early on 8 December. I was brought up to shun all things Japanese.
Since we were of German heritage Germany got a pass. It was easier to sell
a war on yellow people in a country where the largest ethnic group is
German. They sure as hell couldn\'t intern Germans.

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:49:10 +1000, Xeno wrote:

On 11/9/2023 8:01 am, Bob F wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?

You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn\'t exist yet.

But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.

So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?

Ukraine, and the rest of the world, will never trust Russia ever again.

The BRICS seem to be getting along fine.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:11:01 +0100, Custos Custodum wrote:

It\'s just one of the problems faced when romanising other alphabets. In
Cyrillic, Zelensky\'s name ends in two almost identical vowels. The
second has an accent to indicate that it is shorter than the first. In
English, \"Zelenskyy\" isn\'t technically correct but there isn\'t really
any other way to show it. I\'m not sure that German has managed any
better.

I\'ve seen the Zelenskyy but I think the single \'y\' is more common. RT uses
Zelensky (and Kiev) unless they\'re trying to piss him off.

\\u0417\\u0435\\u043b\\u0435\\u043d\\u0441\\u044c\\u043a\\u0438\\u0439

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Whatever. It\'s none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.

Indeed. All we\'re doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both sides. If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don\'t give one a sharp stick to even the odds. You either beat the shit out of one of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it. Making things even causes bloodshed.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Whatever. It\'s none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.

Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.

I\'d rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:39:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/09/2023 14:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Whatever. It\'s none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.

It is *entirely* our business. Anyone who says it is not is either
lying on behalf of the Kremlin or is a bigger fool than anyone has realised.

Then perhaps you should say why it\'s our business. You do know right?

And they are slugging it out, but we are supplying the boxing gloves and
the doc Martens

Supply more or none, we\'re just making a mess now.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 00:44:46 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:07:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:

On 11/9/2023 4:51 pm, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 04:36:33 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.

Glad to see you spelt it right.

It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch

\"Weil der Luftraum über der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen
üblich im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren.\"

Der Ukraine und Kiew.

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-
live

The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr
Selenskyj

The W substitution is obvious but I don\'t know about the terminal \'j\'.

Depends on how you pronounce the J. Think of
the Dutch name \"Jos\" as the
perfect example.

Jah... Y is infrequent in German and in a word like \'typisch\' is more of
a \'u\' sound. For loan words like Handy (cellphone)

That word is hilarious. I also like schiesgang scheiltung (shitty gearchange).

> it\'s pronounced as in English. I\'ve no idea how \'yj\' geets pronounced. Eeeee-Yah?

That sounds orgasmic. Yj! Das fühlt sich so gut an! Machen Sie das noch einmal und reiben Sie es stärker!

There\'s another one, starker for harder. And Swedish slut for fullstop/period.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:00:45 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.

The Warsaw Pact was established as a counterweight to NATO. The Ukraine
was not a signatory -- because the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic
wasn\'t a country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereiaslav_Agreement

Lot of history there.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:13:11 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I don\'t want those foreign conflicts to cause Western taxpayers a
single penny piece. Let the fuckers go at it for all I care.

No one WANTS foreign conflicts, but the world is smaller than it used
to be. Foreign isn\'t far enough away, and \'Western\' taxpayers\"
are better off paying for an ounce of prevention rather than
a pound of cure (hence the popularity of NATO).

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:44:36 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Well, a few generations of locals would be upset if Moscow went to Ukraine, so
probably Russia keeps that.

As for the troops-camped-here sections of Ukraine, Russia is unlikely to forget
that in the Brest-Litovsk treaty, that sort of land went to the troops\' sponsors.
But, that gives a clear advantage to aggressors, which is unpopular.

Russia would like the Treaty of Brest forgotten, it\'s REALLY unpopular with them.

 

[Xeno]

On 12/9/2023 11:00 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Ukraine used to be the USSR, they\'re just taking it back.

Russia agreed to the creation of and the boundaries for Ukraine when the
USSR collapsed in on itself. Russia cannot be trusted to uphold its part
in any deal it makes with other countries.

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Whatever. It\'s none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.

Indeed.  All we\'re doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides.  If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don\'t give
one a sharp stick to even the odds.  You either beat the shit out of one
of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it.  Making things even causes
bloodshed.

No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Xeno]

On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Whatever. It\'s none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.

Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.

I\'d rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.

Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to
Russia?

--
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Bob F]

On 9/11/2023 9:13 PM, Xeno wrote:

On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?

Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.

Whatever. It\'s none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.

Indeed.  All we\'re doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides.  If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don\'t give
one a sharp stick to even the odds.  You either beat the shit out of
one of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it.  Making things even
causes bloodshed.

No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.

If you don\'t want the succession of new invasions to continue.

 

[T]

On 9/11/23 04:36, soup wrote:

On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:

Had the US sat out WWII

That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war
on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.

That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of \'the
goodness of their hearts\', they were forced to join by Germany declaring
war on them.

We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was
U-Boating supplies we were sending to Briton.