OT: China Cuts E-vehicle Subsidies

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:37:41 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/25/19 8:22 AM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 8:47:58 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/24/19 6:19 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 4:55:52 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/24/19 10:31 AM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 6:21:56 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/22/19 11:31 AM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

You make up scenarios that put EVs in the worse possible light

Isn't that what one does, when considering the possibilities? I don't
want a car where if it's been used to the end of it's charge range
and I have an unexpected need to go somewhere, I'm SCREWED. And it's
not like this is some 5 sigma event, it happens to people. I thought
engineers and the like were in this group? Do we design for just
sunny days? Or do we design for worst case? With a range of only
a couple hundred miles, it's not at all unexpected that there will
be times when that car is mostly discharged. Go on a long trip
somewhere to someplace rural, battery is near empty. Now what?

Part of being a successful engineer is, IMO, recognizing that not all
aspects of life are engineering problems to be "solved."

The "curse of dimensionality" exists when making choices for one's
personal life as well and one can always think up worst-case scenarios
for just about anything that can be sufficient reason to not make a
certain purchase or choose a particular choice of action.

That is to say there's a fine line between being actually-prudent and
just being stodgy. Being prudent can save you a lot of pain. Being
stodgy can cause you to compromise the enjoyment of things you could do
on the fear of might-bes.

The payoff ideally being that you will have more enjoyment on average in
life vs. some percentage chance that, at some point, you will be up shit
creek without a paddle due to some decision you made which in hindsight
was not appropriate to the unfortunate situation you currently find
yourself in.

Unfortunate reality of the real world is that there are going to
probably be at least a few shit-creek times in your life where you don't
have the one thing you need or didn't do the one thing you should have
done. It's probably statistically unavoidable you can only handicap it.
But it doesn't make sense to run one's life around it.

I think you just said, if you love the idea of an electric car, then you
love it and nothing matters. Me, I tend not to fall in love with fads,
trends, hyperbole and evaluate on the merits. I see no compelling advantage
in an EV. And economically, they are a disaster and could not be sold,
at least not enough to survive, if the govt was not heavily subsidizing
them. I would consider one for a second car for use for commuting,
around town, etc, if I had the need and only if there was a clear economic
advantage with the tax credits.

The advantage is that an electric commuter car is a superior vehicle in
just about every way to a gasoline car as far as operating costs and
actual joule-per-mile consumption goes.

What's important is the overall cost of ownership, not just the operating
costs and I couldn't care less about joule-per-mile. And there, absent
the big govt subsidies, EV's are losers.



Climate change denialists, abiogenetic oil theorists, and other loons
find no value in most of their strengths, in their worldview the
government should continue to heavily subsidize the oil industry, pump
an infinite amount of oil out of the ground to be burned an an ever
increasing number of gasoline powered cars to be exhausted into an
atmosphere capable of absorbing an infinite amount of carbon dioxide and
other gases, forever.

I have no common ground to argue advantages with that type of person,
unfortunately.

Where do you think the energy to recharge that car overnight in your garage
comes from? Moon beams?


Oh, BTW, I reconsidered my earlier post where I said that I would consider
an EV for a second car, if the cost of ownership numbers worked out and
I needed one for short trips, commuting, around town, etc. But then I
realized my garage is at the other end of the house from the electric
panel, so to fast charge it, I'd have to run a new circuit all the way
across the house. If you have a finished basement, fugggedaboutit!
And whatever that cost is, it's typically going to be another $1000+
here to get that done, even with a basement that isn't finished,
So, I should live with two or three days to recharge? Maybe, but it's
yet another obvious problem. But heh, I'm crazy to be considering things
like that.


Just get one of these weird-looking climate-controlled electric go-carts
from Mitsubishi for around-town use, they're only around $7000 used on
Carmax. small battery pack that charges pretty quick even off a 120VAC
outlet.

by some standards it probably deserves to be recognized as the actual
Model T of electric cars. but with only about 2k units sold in the US
total it'll probably be a collector's item sooner

https://www2.greencarreports.com/news/1111892_rip-mitsubishi-i-miev-lowest-range-slowest-electric-car-departs-u-s-market

A friend of mine's business sells them. Big problem with those is that
you can only use them in certain towns here and even then only in areas
where the speed limit is 25. Those and just plain old golf carts
are popular in retirement communities here. The road worthy ones you
see a rare one in some of the shore towns, where you can drive it from
the beach ten blocks to main street or your house, that kind of thing.
Definitely not for prime time, though.


I'm pretty sure Kei-cars are street legal for all public roadways in the
US if they were imported for sale by e.g. Mitsubishi in this case and
met all the DOT requirements as I would assume those did

I don't know the details of what equipment is required, but in communities around Murrells Inlet they allow the use of the "golf cart" type of vehicles with registration on roads up to 35 mph and within 4 miles of your residence in daylight hours. Regardless of the speed limit they are not allowed on business Rt 17. The registration seems to be about the fee and not so much the equipment, they don't need to meet the same requirements as cars. I don't know of any town near the beach that doesn't allow them.

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[bitrex]

On 4/25/19 11:42 AM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:37:41 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/25/19 8:22 AM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 8:47:58 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/24/19 6:19 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 4:55:52 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/24/19 10:31 AM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 6:21:56 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/22/19 11:31 AM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

You make up scenarios that put EVs in the worse possible light

Isn't that what one does, when considering the possibilities? I don't
want a car where if it's been used to the end of it's charge range
and I have an unexpected need to go somewhere, I'm SCREWED. And it's
not like this is some 5 sigma event, it happens to people. I thought
engineers and the like were in this group? Do we design for just
sunny days? Or do we design for worst case? With a range of only
a couple hundred miles, it's not at all unexpected that there will
be times when that car is mostly discharged. Go on a long trip
somewhere to someplace rural, battery is near empty. Now what?

Part of being a successful engineer is, IMO, recognizing that not all
aspects of life are engineering problems to be "solved."

The "curse of dimensionality" exists when making choices for one's
personal life as well and one can always think up worst-case scenarios
for just about anything that can be sufficient reason to not make a
certain purchase or choose a particular choice of action.

That is to say there's a fine line between being actually-prudent and
just being stodgy. Being prudent can save you a lot of pain. Being
stodgy can cause you to compromise the enjoyment of things you could do
on the fear of might-bes.

The payoff ideally being that you will have more enjoyment on average in
life vs. some percentage chance that, at some point, you will be up shit
creek without a paddle due to some decision you made which in hindsight
was not appropriate to the unfortunate situation you currently find
yourself in.

Unfortunate reality of the real world is that there are going to
probably be at least a few shit-creek times in your life where you don't
have the one thing you need or didn't do the one thing you should have
done. It's probably statistically unavoidable you can only handicap it.
But it doesn't make sense to run one's life around it.

I think you just said, if you love the idea of an electric car, then you
love it and nothing matters. Me, I tend not to fall in love with fads,
trends, hyperbole and evaluate on the merits. I see no compelling advantage
in an EV. And economically, they are a disaster and could not be sold,
at least not enough to survive, if the govt was not heavily subsidizing
them. I would consider one for a second car for use for commuting,
around town, etc, if I had the need and only if there was a clear economic
advantage with the tax credits.

The advantage is that an electric commuter car is a superior vehicle in
just about every way to a gasoline car as far as operating costs and
actual joule-per-mile consumption goes.

What's important is the overall cost of ownership, not just the operating
costs and I couldn't care less about joule-per-mile. And there, absent
the big govt subsidies, EV's are losers.



Climate change denialists, abiogenetic oil theorists, and other loons
find no value in most of their strengths, in their worldview the
government should continue to heavily subsidize the oil industry, pump
an infinite amount of oil out of the ground to be burned an an ever
increasing number of gasoline powered cars to be exhausted into an
atmosphere capable of absorbing an infinite amount of carbon dioxide and
other gases, forever.

I have no common ground to argue advantages with that type of person,
unfortunately.

Where do you think the energy to recharge that car overnight in your garage
comes from? Moon beams?


Oh, BTW, I reconsidered my earlier post where I said that I would consider
an EV for a second car, if the cost of ownership numbers worked out and
I needed one for short trips, commuting, around town, etc. But then I
realized my garage is at the other end of the house from the electric
panel, so to fast charge it, I'd have to run a new circuit all the way
across the house. If you have a finished basement, fugggedaboutit!
And whatever that cost is, it's typically going to be another $1000+
here to get that done, even with a basement that isn't finished,
So, I should live with two or three days to recharge? Maybe, but it's
yet another obvious problem. But heh, I'm crazy to be considering things
like that.


Just get one of these weird-looking climate-controlled electric go-carts
from Mitsubishi for around-town use, they're only around $7000 used on
Carmax. small battery pack that charges pretty quick even off a 120VAC
outlet.

by some standards it probably deserves to be recognized as the actual
Model T of electric cars. but with only about 2k units sold in the US
total it'll probably be a collector's item sooner

https://www2.greencarreports.com/news/1111892_rip-mitsubishi-i-miev-lowest-range-slowest-electric-car-departs-u-s-market

A friend of mine's business sells them. Big problem with those is that
you can only use them in certain towns here and even then only in areas
where the speed limit is 25. Those and just plain old golf carts
are popular in retirement communities here. The road worthy ones you
see a rare one in some of the shore towns, where you can drive it from
the beach ten blocks to main street or your house, that kind of thing.
Definitely not for prime time, though.


I'm pretty sure Kei-cars are street legal for all public roadways in the
US if they were imported for sale by e.g. Mitsubishi in this case and
met all the DOT requirements as I would assume those did

I don't know the details of what equipment is required, but in communities around Murrells Inlet they allow the use of the "golf cart" type of vehicles with registration on roads up to 35 mph and within 4 miles of your residence in daylight hours. Regardless of the speed limit they are not allowed on business Rt 17. The registration seems to be about the fee and not so much the equipment, they don't need to meet the same requirements as cars. I don't know of any town near the beach that doesn't allow them.

It's not actually a golf-cart or go-cart it's a sub-compact/micro car
like the Smart, or Fiat 500.

DOT legal meets all the Federal regulations so just keep it in your
driveway and drive it whenever and wherever you want. if your
"community" or homeowner's association gets pissed about be like "fuck
you, Hitler, take me to court"

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:40:39 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

I can relate a serious advantage: it's a hell of a lot of fun to drive,
especially as an urban commuter. Mine must have a 0 to 30 mph time of
a second, it seems like that anyway. Instant acceleration, and part of
the fun is the quiet, just a cool low-level whirrrr, frequency going up
with speed. Dunno if it's coming from the electric motor,
or inverter, but it's awesome. Automatic follow-the-car- in-front
features work nicely as well, also very quiet.

Far too quiet. You wait and see. When the adoption of these vehicles
becomes more widespread, you're going to see more and more children and
elderly people killed by them.
I immediately noticed the difference when I swapped motorbikes
temporarily from a Harley-Davidson to a BMW water-cooled job. On the
Beamer, I had pedestrians stepping out in front of me just yards away
when I was going at speed - terrifying. That *never* happened with the
Harleys. "Loud pipes save lives" is a long-standing saying among
motorcyclists and it's so true.
I can see a time coming when all electric vehicles will be mandated to
emit warning sounds whenever they're in built-up areas. Probably some
annoying, polyphonic beeping noise at 99dB. And the driver will just have
to put up with it.



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On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 1:09:34 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:40:39 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

I can relate a serious advantage: it's a hell of a lot of fun to drive,
especially as an urban commuter. Mine must have a 0 to 30 mph time of
a second, it seems like that anyway. Instant acceleration, and part of
the fun is the quiet, just a cool low-level whirrrr, frequency going up
with speed. Dunno if it's coming from the electric motor,
or inverter, but it's awesome. Automatic follow-the-car- in-front
features work nicely as well, also very quiet.

Far too quiet. You wait and see. When the adoption of these vehicles
becomes more widespread, you're going to see more and more children and
elderly people killed by them.
I immediately noticed the difference when I swapped motorbikes
temporarily from a Harley-Davidson to a BMW water-cooled job. On the
Beamer, I had pedestrians stepping out in front of me just yards away
when I was going at speed - terrifying. That *never* happened with the
Harleys. "Loud pipes save lives" is a long-standing saying among
motorcyclists and it's so true.
I can see a time coming when all electric vehicles will be mandated to
emit warning sounds whenever they're in built-up areas. Probably some
annoying, polyphonic beeping noise at 99dB. And the driver will just have
to put up with it.

You provide the evidence to dispute your own claim. First you argue that electric cars are so much quieter than gas cars that lives will be lost, then your example is a 100+ dB Harley vs. the auto like quiet of a BMW motorcycle. Sounds like you just proved regular cars are already quiet enough to be dangerous.

Your 99 dB noise is just you BSing your way down the road.

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[Winfield Hill]

Cursitor Doom wrote...

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:40:39 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

I can relate a serious advantage: it's a hell of a lot of fun to drive,
especially as an urban commuter. Mine must have a 0 to 30 mph time of
a second, it seems like that anyway. Instant acceleration, and part of
the fun is the quiet, just a cool low-level whirrrr, frequency going up
with speed. Dunno if it's coming from the electric motor,
or inverter, but it's awesome. Automatic follow-the-car- in-front
features work nicely as well, also very quiet.

Far too quiet. You wait and see. When the adoption of these
vehicles becomes more widespread, you're going to see more
and more children and elderly people killed by them.

Most people fail to recognize that IC cars are just as quiet,
when they're coasting or cruising, as EV cars. But in both
cases there is the same thing to hear: the tire noise. But
my point was about a car's rapid acceleration phase, which is
what a car approaching an intersection should NOT be doing.


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Thanks,
- Win

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:07:54 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

Most people fail to recognize that IC cars are just as quiet,
when they're coasting or cruising, as EV cars. But in both cases there
is the same thing to hear: the tire noise.

From personal experience, I can still hear a petrol engined car coming
from its engine noise. Before electric cars came about, because I have
really good hearing, I could cross the road perfectly safely without
bothering to look first. Now thanks to these virtue-signalling tree-
huggers, my cherished freedom to do that is fast coming to an end.



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On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 9:15:41 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:07:54 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

Most people fail to recognize that IC cars are just as quiet,
when they're coasting or cruising, as EV cars. But in both cases there
is the same thing to hear: the tire noise.

From personal experience, I can still hear a petrol engined car coming
from its engine noise. Before electric cars came about, because I have
really good hearing, I could cross the road perfectly safely without
bothering to look first. Now thanks to these virtue-signalling tree-
huggers, my cherished freedom to do that is fast coming to an end.

You might have had really good hearing when you were younger, but it degrades with age. And if you were born gullible - as seems very likely - you are going to be even more gullible now (though there's not a lot of extreme gullibility space left for you to explore).

Some people drive electric cars because they are cheaper to run. Burning petrol in a car-sized internal combustion engine isn't all that efficient - and hybrid cars are economically attractive because burning it at the optimal rate and storing some of the output in a battery to provide for peak demand is significantly more efficient. Large scale generating plant produces power even more cheaply, and using their output to charge the battery in an electric car saves even more money.

Some people my drive electric cars because they are virtue-signalling tree-huggers, but they are still saving money in the process.

And the fact that they've improved their chances of running over Cursitor Doom doesn't strike me as a consequence worth worrying about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:15:41 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:07:54 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

Most people fail to recognize that IC cars are just as quiet,
when they're coasting or cruising, as EV cars. But in both cases there
is the same thing to hear: the tire noise.

From personal experience, I can still hear a petrol engined car coming
from its engine noise. Before electric cars came about, because I have
really good hearing, I could cross the road perfectly safely without
bothering to look first. Now thanks to these virtue-signalling tree-
huggers, my cherished freedom to do that is fast coming to an end.

You are so ridiculous. But maybe I shouldn't say that, maybe you are being genuine.

On the other hand you may well be saved by the pedestrian protection features on many of these cars. After all, you will likely only drop your dangerous habit of not looking some time after your hearing has diminished. If the car is going more than 15 mph the tire noise will be as loud as the engine noise. At lower speeds many EVs will automatically stop for pedestrians..

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Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in news:q9tf2g$vfe$4@dont-
email.me:

my cherished freedom to do that is fast coming to an end.

You 'cherish' some silly shit.

Good hearing or not, I look before I traverse across a path that I am
the one breeching the boundary of.

 

Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote in
news:q9t42q05fe@drn.newsguy.com:

But
my point was about a car's rapid acceleration phase, which is
what a car approaching an intersection should NOT be doing.

I posted on this.

I also suggested the 'shut down mode' that we are seeing commercials
about on TV. I said that car controllers should have a cop activated
shutdown mode. I suggested that ten years ago.

And the TV spot showed the cop waiting till he thought there was a
safety issue. No. If you have a pursuit start, it is time to hit the
shut down switch. No waiting.

 

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in
news:q9spk6$vfe$3@dont-email.me:

I can see a time coming when all electric vehicles will be
mandated to emit warning sounds whenever they're in built-up
areas. Probably some annoying, polyphonic beeping noise at 99dB.
And the driver will just have to put up with it.

Nope. Can't see that at all.

Folks simply have to be more attentive, AND drivers need to be
held accountable as well.

Cars simply should be 'governed' when in 'in town' areas.

The stats for the accidents and the deliberated events are out
there.

You see sounders. No... I see devices where 'in town' regions
have radio devices which set your car's controller to a city mode
when you are in those regions.

A 120mph car has no business having a full bore 'gas pedal'
available for the operator to 'make a mistake' with when in a heavy
pedestrian filled zone.

Then again, if you have ever seen seven lanes of traffic zipping
across 125th street in Harlem, your adrenaline would trickle if you
were in it. Especially when seven lanes autosqueeze into six when a
double parked car is encountered. That shit is scary, and you could
have IMAX video of an NYC taxi hitting your car and still never
recover even if the courts find in your favor. Those bastards just
don't care. Best not to own a car if you live in 'the city'
(talking about NYC or course).

 

Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in
news:q9spk6$vfe$3@dont-email.me:

Far too quiet. You wait and see. When the adoption of these
vehicles becomes more widespread, you're going to see more and
more children and elderly people killed by them.

That is too funny.

When cars first hit the streets, regardless of boise or not, folks
were stepping across roadways and getting killed left and right.

The way it was stopped was by adopting j-walking laws.

We need to start citing folks more often, because the casual attitude
toward it these days will again rear its ugly head.

But drivers need to slow down in pedestrian flush areas too.

Electrics should have a city mode where acelleration and top speed
get limited. Driver setpoints, of course.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/25/19 10:58 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:QCjwE.426368$P12.121522@fx08.iad:

I'm pretty sure Kei-cars are street legal for all public roadways
in the US if they were imported for sale by e.g. Mitsubishi in
this case and met all the DOT requirements as I would assume those
did

Yeah... he is an idiot. There are FULLY street legal 'golf
cart' form factor vehicles all over the country using various power
train schemas. You will not see them on interstate highways or even
in state highways.

I am pretty sure they meet the specs for 35 mph and below roadways.

But just like TraderTard4, the states seem to have problems
authoring the wording.

In Michigan, they say that one cannot be one a road posted as
35mph or higher, but can be on any road posted as 35mph or lower.

Even a kid can see what is wrong with that wording.

It's summertime again so that one guy who lives somewhere around here
who owns one of these "but why?" 30k+...things...will be toodling around
soon, I mean if this thing is street legal...

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Slingshot>

It seems to successfully combine most of the hazards of a motorcycle
with the price tag and fuel consumption of a car, with none of the
off-road capability of an ATV or snowmobile. But hey it seats two!

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:QCjwE.426368$P12.121522@fx08.iad:

I'm pretty sure Kei-cars are street legal for all public roadways
in the US if they were imported for sale by e.g. Mitsubishi in
this case and met all the DOT requirements as I would assume those
did

Yeah... he is an idiot. There are FULLY street legal 'golf
cart' form factor vehicles all over the country using various power
train schemas. You will not see them on interstate highways or even
in state highways.

I am pretty sure they meet the specs for 35 mph and below roadways.

But just like TraderTard4, the states seem to have problems
authoring the wording.

In Michigan, they say that one cannot be one a road posted as
35mph or higher, but can be on any road posted as 35mph or lower.

Even a kid can see what is wrong with that wording.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:8cbd6140-33ff-47ae-bc95-caf3cf43b5bf@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 12:27:15 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:7a9c0b2a-457c-4b56-b95d-
9c802d6a4c91@googlegroups.com:

I couldn't care less about joule-per-mile.

More proof that you are an absolute idiot.

E vehicles are ALL about battery efficiency, operating
efficiency,
and getting the power to the rubber.

You trivializing it as a non-factor is absolute proof that you
do not
even have the first clue about it.

As usual you conveniently edited out the rest of what I said,
which was that I care about the TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP, which
obviously includes the cost of the electric to run it. Got it
now?

No. Regardless of your "cost of ownership" blather, my point was
that your joule-per-mile remark flags you as unaware of either.

You are a stupid little chump, at best. With the exception that
'little' in your case means 350+ pound brainless lard ass.

Cost of ownership is high when one has to push around all those
years of collected shit.

We can only hope that your veins are all plugged up and you won't
be around much longer.

 

gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote in
news:00a46e6a-ac55-454d-b4d0-8f0bfc0737ce@googlegroups.com:

If the car is going more than 15 mph the tire noise will be as
loud as the engine noise.

This is untrue as said noise differs from tire to tire, unrelated to
car speed. The factor is the tread design, and previous wear can make
a badly aligned front end tire a bit noisier.

Generally, however, the tread design is the only factor for the speed
a given design starts growling out audibly.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 26/04/2019 4:07 am, Winfield Hill wrote:

Cursitor Doom wrote...

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 14:40:39 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

I can relate a serious advantage: it's a hell of a lot of fun to drive,
especially as an urban commuter. Mine must have a 0 to 30 mph time of
a second, it seems like that anyway. Instant acceleration, and part of
the fun is the quiet, just a cool low-level whirrrr, frequency going up
with speed. Dunno if it's coming from the electric motor,
or inverter, but it's awesome. Automatic follow-the-car- in-front
features work nicely as well, also very quiet.

Far too quiet. You wait and see. When the adoption of these
vehicles becomes more widespread, you're going to see more
and more children and elderly people killed by them.

Most people fail to recognize that IC cars are just as quiet,
when they're coasting or cruising, as EV cars. But in both
cases there is the same thing to hear: the tire noise. But
my point was about a car's rapid acceleration phase, which is
what a car approaching an intersection should NOT be doing.

With all the nav gear onboard I reckon an automatic warning would be a
snap to implement for those situations.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:4zuwE.164894$dN3.6908@fx20.iad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Slingshot

Already seen one up at the Walmart. But $30k!??? There really are a
lot of suckers out there.

Home built Harley trikes are way better.

For $30k... damn I could build a pretty nice trike.

FrankenTrike!

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/19 5:39 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:4zuwE.164894$dN3.6908@fx20.iad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Slingshot


Already seen one up at the Walmart. But $30k!??? There really are a
lot of suckers out there.

I don't see how they get it to weigh so much. it weighs the better part
of 2000 lbs, almost as much as a Lotus Elise, which has four wheels and
airbags and all that stuff. even with the stock Pontiac Solstice engine
it's probably underpowered, like the stock Pontiac Solstice was...

Home built Harley trikes are way better.

For $30k... damn I could build a pretty nice trike.

FrankenTrike!

 

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On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:25:36 +0800, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

With all the nav gear onboard I reckon an automatic warning would be a
snap to implement for those situations.

Care to expand on that?



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