OT: China Cuts E-vehicle Subsidies

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 7:12:21 AM UTC-7, Winfield Hill wrote:

"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

That's exactly what i've been saying. Drop EV vehicle subsidies and put the money in charging subsidies. I would go one step further and i said "EV Charging: Let It Be Free".

 

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/19/19 1:15 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/19/19 12:46 PM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/19/19 11:21 AM, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:36:58 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/19/19 10:32 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/19/19 10:12 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
    "As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
    now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100.  To qualify
    for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
    specified range of at least 250 miles.  Over the next three
    months they will also abolish local government subsidies
    and channel these funds into improving the country's
    charge-station infrastructure."

    China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.



One thing is they know is Tesla and GM have high hopes for China and
sell a lot of EV product there, but those are still American
companies
and there's a trade war going on.

The 250 mile range restriction handily excludes both the current
incarnation of the Model 3 standard range and the Chevy Bolt. the
Nissan
Leaf is getting a range update for 2019 tho it'll probably qualify.

How does that exclude the Bolt?

2019 Chevrolet Bolt EV
Compact car
5/5Car and Driver
8.3/10US News & World Report
7.9/10Edmunds
Range: 238 mi battery-only

I've never heard anything about the Bolt getting more range. In
fact, I'm a bit surprised they are canceling the Volt and keeping
the Bolt with the very low profile they give the Bolt.


that's what I mean the Bolt doesn't meet the 250 mile range
specification.

Sorry, you wrote correctly, but I didn't read correctly.  Yes, the
standard range model 3 will also not count.  But they have the
Standard Range Plus: 240mi and the Mid Range: 264mi.  I read they
added 15 mile to the long range battery with a software upgrade.  If
that apply the same improvement to the SR+ it may reach the 250 mile
threshold.


The Bolt will always be a slow seller in the US to individuals but the
fleet vehicle potential is huge. That's what their lil "New Roads"
magazine that I get a complimentary copy of each month has it on their
cover as, as an economical and reliable fleet vehicle for small
businesses and livery and law enforcement and stuff like that. Also it's
big in Asia particularly like South Korea.

Of course it isn't selling.  GM is not promoting it at all.  "Fleet
sales" won't mean diddly if they continue to make such small
quantities, even if they can double the sales they won't begin to
touch the model 3 sales numbers.  Any other vehicle would have been
dropped like a hot potato at GM.  It would appear GM just wants a
placeholder until they can produce a more competitive EV lineup.

It wouldn't help to promote it now there are too many better competitor
options, it needed to happen five years ago! It's an old design you
wouldn't build an EV or plug-in hybrid in 2019 the way the Volt is
built, with the battery pack down the centerline compromising interior
space, for example.

The drivetrain is pretty innovative but a lot of the rest of it is old
school EV-1-derived tech.

Oops got confused as to what vehicle u were talking about may bad.

I still don't see many Model 3s on the road around here yet, the most
common plug-in I see is the Leaf, probably.

Yeah, I guess that is understandable. Leafs (or is it Leaves?) have been sold since 2011 and the model 3s for barely a year. There are as many model S on the road as model 3s. The Leaf still has the full US tax credit but sales have been dropping. Even with the new 226 mile range it won't burn sales records since it is still not a car you can take on trips because of the lack of charging facilities unless you limit yourself to 200 miles a day and charging overnight.

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Rick C.

+- Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 1:06:58 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 12:25:33 PM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:39:25 AM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:32:31 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/19/19 10:12 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.



One thing is they know is Tesla and GM have high hopes for China and
sell a lot of EV product there, but those are still American companies
and there's a trade war going on.

Trade war? Dear Leader says tariffs are good and trade wars are easy to win.
He must have won by now and all the corn and soybeans piling up are just
fake news.

What many people don't get is that in many ways, trade is a zero sum game.

They don't "get it", because it's not true and never has been.
But Trump and the trumptards believe it.




China puts tarrifs on our soybeans so they buy them "somewhere else". But "somewhere else" now isn't selling to "somebody else" who now needs soybeans. So we sell to "somebody else" instead of the Chinese.

Obviously that's BS, because the beans are piling up here. Are you not
aware that Trump handed out $8 bil in welfare to farmers because of this,
the consequences of his tariffs? And note that once customers turn to
new sources, they may never come back. Is that the new "conservatism"?
Putting farmers on welfare? How does unsold beans sitting in the Midwest
reduce our trade deficits? Obviously it doesn't because we're setting
record trade deficits.

You point to correlations as if they were causality. They are not the same thing. China is not buying as many soybeans as they used to.

Well, duh? China put a TARIFF on US soybeans in retaliation for Trump's
tariffs on their products.



They are smart enough to not point that out, rather use the lower soybean purchasing numbers as bargaining levers even if the numbers won't return to former levels after the trade conflict is resolved.

Anyone in charge of a country should have had analyses prepared on how a trade war might unfold. It could have foretold that soybean purchasing was going to drop no matter what was done.

ROFL

The lame attempts at diversion by trumptards never ceases to amaze.



Do you think Trump consulted advisors on likely outcomes BEFORE he decided to duke it out with the Chinese? Why not start with a trade war with Ethiopia to test out your weapons?
>

We don't need to test anything to know what happens. And it would be stupid
to think that what happens with Ethiopia has any relevance to what happens
with China.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.

You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months? How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane? Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

 

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months? How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane? Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all.. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I guess you could push it to where you could plug it in. Very good point.
Electrics are fine for a second car, where you will use it to commute, around
town, etc. But I sure would not have one as my only car.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/19/19 5:07 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months? How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane? Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I guess you could push it to where you could plug it in. Very good point.
Electrics are fine for a second car, where you will use it to commute, around
town, etc. But I sure would not have one as my only car.

There are all sorts of products, besides a certain class of vehicle,
that I buy for their utility in ordinary circumstances that would
probably be inadequate or useless to me in extraordinary circumstances.

Mine's a plug-in hybrid and it runs on gas equally well if that's all
that's available. As for how things will be down the road in 25 years
when myself and lots of other people have EVs and some disaster happens,
hurricane, asteroid impact, alien invasion, whatever, and there isn't
anywhere readily available to charge 'em up for a while I guess I'll
cross that bridge when I come to it.

People spend billions buying beachfront properties in certain areas,
too, knowing full well there's a good chance they're going to get washed
away in their lifetime why do that? I wouldn't, personally but for most
people life is a series of trade-offs of the enjoyment and convenience
of day-to-day probable vs. having to think fast or just being up shit
creek when the less probable happens.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 5:07:17 PM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months? How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane? Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I guess you could push it to where you could plug it in. Very good point..
Electrics are fine for a second car, where you will use it to commute, around
town, etc. But I sure would not have one as my only car.

I only drive about 3000 to 5000 miles a year. I don't see any reason to spend that kind of money on an EV. I have sen a few used ones for sale for under $3000. It makes you wonder how worn out the batteries are or what oter problems the have?

 

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months?

Huh? You mean like in Puerto Rico? Otherwise I haven't seen any places in the US not have electricity for MONTHS! How do you get gasoline without electricity? They bring it in 5 gal jerry cans? Again, I've never been in that situation in my life and never heard of anyone in the US being in that situation. So clearly it's not high on my list of worries.


> How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane?

You mean like when I was in South Carolina wanting to register my new EV and the state closed the DMVs because of the impending Hurricane? I drove out and charged once before I left, then again when I reached Virginia.


> Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Yeah, your house didn't have electricity. I bet the Superchargers had juice. It's still early days for EVs, that's true. In another three or four years there will be many, many more charging locations. If emergency shelters are the only places with electricity you have much bigger problems than worrying about a car.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all.. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps living in a part of the US that is operated like a third world country is not so good. Perhaps you should move closer to a major city where they get electricity back a lot sooner than MONTHS!

--

Rick C.

++ Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 5:07:17 PM UTC-4, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months? How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane? Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I guess you could push it to where you could plug it in. Very good point..
Electrics are fine for a second car, where you will use it to commute, around
town, etc. But I sure would not have one as my only car.

Right now it is my only car. My pickup has an electrical problem and I'm going to have to have it towed to a repair center. Meanwhile the EV is running just fine.

--

Rick C.

--- Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 4/19/19 7:41 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 5:23:35 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/19/19 5:07 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months? How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane? Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I guess you could push it to where you could plug it in. Very good point.
Electrics are fine for a second car, where you will use it to commute, around
town, etc. But I sure would not have one as my only car.



There are all sorts of products, besides a certain class of vehicle,
that I buy for their utility in ordinary circumstances that would
probably be inadequate or useless to me in extraordinary circumstances.

Mine's a plug-in hybrid and it runs on gas equally well if that's all
that's available. As for how things will be down the road in 25 years
when myself and lots of other people have EVs and some disaster happens,
hurricane, asteroid impact, alien invasion, whatever, and there isn't
anywhere readily available to charge 'em up for a while I guess I'll
cross that bridge when I come to it.

People spend billions buying beachfront properties in certain areas,
too, knowing full well there's a good chance they're going to get washed
away in their lifetime why do that? I wouldn't, personally but for most
people life is a series of trade-offs of the enjoyment and convenience
of day-to-day probable vs. having to think fast or just being up shit
creek when the less probable happens.

A lot of traffic from South Florida will be about 200 miles from home as they pass here. How far can you drive on gasoline in your hybrid?

8 gallon tank, if I keep it under 45 mph where the hybrid drivetrain is
most efficient it's probably good for 350 miles in a pinch. I get 40-42
mpg at 65-70 mph on flat highway in the summer, battery pack set to
"Hold" (charge), without really trying. Not that much better than my
girl friend's regular 4-banger 2019 Hyundai Elantra at around 37-38
highway but the Volt is a larger and heavier car.

> It's becoming a lot more expensive to build and insure beachfront properties in Florida. Citizens, the state's insurance program used to offer subsidized insurance for these properties, but they have started dropping a lot of those policies outright and most other companies wouldn't offer insurance before that.

Oh everyone just loves hearing that homeowners with million-dollar
properties get their risk shunted off onto other taxpayers...

If the winds are high enough, some of the solar panels will blow away, and the ones that remain won't have much output during the heavy rain and thick clouds. Only a fool doesn't make some preparations.

I've used the Volt as a little gen-set in a pinch, lol. It has a 12 volt
battery in the back and 12 volt bus for starting and accessories like
any other car. Just attach a 1kW inverter box to the bus and leave the
car powered up; the 12 volt will run down and the high voltage pack or
engine, depending, will cut in to top it back up when needed

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:22:36 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months?

Huh? You mean like in Puerto Rico? Otherwise I haven't seen any places in the US not have electricity for MONTHS! How do you get gasoline without electricity? They bring it in 5 gal jerry cans? Again, I've never been in that situation in my life and never heard of anyone in the US being in that situation. So clearly it's not high on my list of worries.

Idiot. It is brought in by tanker trucks just like other deliveries, once the roads are clear and safe That doesn't happen until the hurricane is over.

Newer gas stations have a generator, but only big enough for the station to operate. Older stations stop receiving fuel deliveries before the electricity is out, so their tanks are empty until power is restored. The stations shut down the generators when they run out of fuel, so no lights means no fuel.

How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane?

You mean like when I was in South Carolina wanting to register my new EV and the state closed the DMVs because of the impending Hurricane? I drove out and charged once before I left, then again when I reached Virginia.

Yawn. You left before it hit, not during or after.

Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Yeah, your house didn't have electricity. I bet the Superchargers had juice. It's still early days for EVs, that's true. In another three or four years there will be many, many more charging locations. If emergency shelters are the only places with electricity you have much bigger problems than worrying about a car.

What supercharges? I don't recall seeing any charging stations in this area. When there is no power to entire cites, how will you get power to your precious superchargers?

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps living in a part of the US that is operated like a third world country is not so good. Perhaps you should move closer to a major city where they get electricity back a lot sooner than MONTHS!

Are you sure that you're an engineer? I live in Central Florida. They have to get the system back on line from the top, down. I live in a small subdivsion, that is a mile from the nearest main primaries that run along State highway 441. The linemen work to restore power to hospitals, and emergency services first. Then they move on to large businesses. Schools and smaller businesses follow that, and finally the residential areas. It took so long because they were using the new poles as fast as they could be trucked in.. The initial stockpile was gone in the first couple weeks. On top of this, most of the workers were from out of state, and unfamiliar with the areas being restored. Go out and work for a utility and learn something about the work involved. Local utilities are working on a regular basis to upgrade and harden their local plant. I can't drive very far from home without running into line trucks from Duke, or the nearest city. I've seen probably 1000 new, larger poles being set since January. They will withstand higher winds, and the heavier wire will not only withstand the higher winds, but it will reduce their I/R losses.In the 20 years that I've lived here, it was Florida Power. Then Progress, followed bu Duke.

If I moved to the 'big city' I would have to put up with more assholes and morons. I've only suffered long outages twice, in 32 yeas.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:57:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I've used the Volt as a little gen-set in a pinch, lol. It has a 12 volt
battery in the back and 12 volt bus for starting and accessories like
any other car. Just attach a 1kW inverter box to the bus and leave the
car powered up; the 12 volt will run down and the high voltage pack or
engine, depending, will cut in to top it back up when needed.

I can just fire up my small generator, now that I have one.

 

[Winfield Hill]

Michael Terrell wrote...

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:57:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I've used the Volt as a little gen-set in a pinch, lol. It has a 12 volt
battery in the back and 12 volt bus for starting and accessories like
any other car. Just attach a 1kW inverter box to the bus and leave the
car powered up; the 12 volt will run down and the high voltage pack or
engine, depending, will cut in to top it back up when needed.

I can just fire up my small generator, now that I have one.

The Volt is a portable generator, with its own wheels.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:22:36 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months?

Huh? You mean like in Puerto Rico? Otherwise I haven't seen any places in the US not have electricity for MONTHS! How do you get gasoline without electricity? They bring it in 5 gal jerry cans? Again, I've never been in that situation in my life and never heard of anyone in the US being in that situation. So clearly it's not high on my list of worries.


Idiot. It is brought in by tanker trucks just like other deliveries, once the roads are clear and safe That doesn't happen until the hurricane is over.

Newer gas stations have a generator, but only big enough for the station to operate. Older stations stop receiving fuel deliveries before the electricity is out, so their tanks are empty until power is restored. The stations shut down the generators when they run out of fuel, so no lights means no fuel.


How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane?

You mean like when I was in South Carolina wanting to register my new EV and the state closed the DMVs because of the impending Hurricane? I drove out and charged once before I left, then again when I reached Virginia.

Yawn. You left before it hit, not during or after.

Yes, that's what the smart people do. Why would anyone wait until after the hurricane to leave? I guess that explains a lot of your problem.

Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Yeah, your house didn't have electricity. I bet the Superchargers had juice. It's still early days for EVs, that's true. In another three or four years there will be many, many more charging locations. If emergency shelters are the only places with electricity you have much bigger problems than worrying about a car.


What supercharges? I don't recall seeing any charging stations in this area. When there is no power to entire cites, how will you get power to your precious superchargers?

If you are evacuating you can stop at the Superchargers on your way out... like any other time when you are driving.

Where are you exactly? I checked and Orlando is half way up the state of Florida from Miami and it's only 200 miles. I'm just not seeing the problem.. I think you are exaggerating the conditions and the problems. I know people who live in southern Florida and they've never mentioned such dire circumstances lasting for "months". Sure you aren't in Puerto Rico?

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps living in a part of the US that is operated like a third world country is not so good. Perhaps you should move closer to a major city where they get electricity back a lot sooner than MONTHS!

Are you sure that you're an engineer? I live in Central Florida. They have to get the system back on line from the top, down. I live in a small subdivsion, that is a mile from the nearest main primaries that run along State highway 441. The linemen work to restore power to hospitals, and emergency services first. Then they move on to large businesses. Schools and smaller businesses follow that, and finally the residential areas. It took so long because they were using the new poles as fast as they could be trucked in. The initial stockpile was gone in the first couple weeks. On top of this, most of the workers were from out of state, and unfamiliar with the areas being restored. Go out and work for a utility and learn something about the work involved. Local utilities are working on a regular basis to upgrade and harden their local plant. I can't drive very far from home without running into line trucks from Duke, or the nearest city. I've seen probably 1000 new, larger poles being set since January. They will withstand higher winds, and the heavier wire will not only withstand the higher winds, but it will reduce their I/R losses.In the 20 years that I've lived here, it was Florida Power. Then Progress, followed bu Duke.

So what makes you think that EV chargers will be the last things that have power restored? I think it will be the opposite, EV charging will be fairly high on the list. If your service stations all have generators I expect EV charging will be higher on the list that those.


> If I moved to the 'big city' I would have to put up with more assholes and morons. I've only suffered long outages twice, in 32 yeas.

Lol, yes, you would have to put up with the people that make the world work.. Or you can suffer. So now you are saying long outages are not such a big deal. Ok, good to know. Keep the EV charged up and you will be able to make it out of the state very easily. Enjoy your EV.

--

Rick C.

--+ Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 4/20/19 7:17 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:

Michael Terrell wrote...

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:57:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I've used the Volt as a little gen-set in a pinch, lol. It has a 12 volt
battery in the back and 12 volt bus for starting and accessories like
any other car. Just attach a 1kW inverter box to the bus and leave the
car powered up; the 12 volt will run down and the high voltage pack or
engine, depending, will cut in to top it back up when needed.

I can just fire up my small generator, now that I have one.

The Volt is a portable generator, with its own wheels.

You can use most cars that way I suppose, if you have an inverter brick,
but they won't make a particular efficient one as you have to leave the
engine spinning all the time just to turn the teeny lil alternator.

IIRC there are companies that make mod kits for some plug-in hybrids
that put an AC outlet or two in the trunk for exactly that purpose

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 11:34:43 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/20/19 7:17 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
Michael Terrell wrote...

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:57:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I've used the Volt as a little gen-set in a pinch, lol. It has a 12 volt
battery in the back and 12 volt bus for starting and accessories like
any other car. Just attach a 1kW inverter box to the bus and leave the
car powered up; the 12 volt will run down and the high voltage pack or
engine, depending, will cut in to top it back up when needed.

I can just fire up my small generator, now that I have one.

The Volt is a portable generator, with its own wheels.



You can use most cars that way I suppose, if you have an inverter brick,
but they won't make a particular efficient one as you have to leave the
engine spinning all the time just to turn the teeny lil alternator.

IIRC there are companies that make mod kits for some plug-in hybrids
that put an AC outlet or two in the trunk for exactly that purpose

Haven't you ever had a dual battery system? They have been around for at least 50 years. I even installed some for an amusement park for their paddle boats so that they could run their sound system and lights while they loaded and unloaded passengers. The secondary battery powered that, while the primary only started the big Chevy engines and powered the ignition system. They didn't have 'tiny alternators'. They had the high output units made for ambulances or fire trucks. I even had a dual system on my '66 GTO. That also had a second alternator.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 10:02:00 AM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:22:36 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months?

Huh? You mean like in Puerto Rico? Otherwise I haven't seen any places in the US not have electricity for MONTHS! How do you get gasoline without electricity? They bring it in 5 gal jerry cans? Again, I've never been in that situation in my life and never heard of anyone in the US being in that situation. So clearly it's not high on my list of worries.


Idiot. It is brought in by tanker trucks just like other deliveries, once the roads are clear and safe That doesn't happen until the hurricane is over.

Newer gas stations have a generator, but only big enough for the station to operate. Older stations stop receiving fuel deliveries before the electricity is out, so their tanks are empty until power is restored. The stations shut down the generators when they run out of fuel, so no lights means no fuel.


How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane?

You mean like when I was in South Carolina wanting to register my new EV and the state closed the DMVs because of the impending Hurricane? I drove out and charged once before I left, then again when I reached Virginia.

Yawn. You left before it hit, not during or after.

Yes, that's what the smart people do. Why would anyone wait until after the hurricane to leave? I guess that explains a lot of your problem.


Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Yeah, your house didn't have electricity. I bet the Superchargers had juice. It's still early days for EVs, that's true. In another three or four years there will be many, many more charging locations. If emergency shelters are the only places with electricity you have much bigger problems than worrying about a car.


What supercharges? I don't recall seeing any charging stations in this area. When there is no power to entire cites, how will you get power to your precious superchargers?

If you are evacuating you can stop at the Superchargers on your way out.... like any other time when you are driving.

Sure you can. You've never seen a mass evacuation, have you? it isn't anywhere near a normal traffic load. The traffic is bumper to bumper, toll roads are turned off, and even the southbound lanes of I-75 are used for Northbound traffic. You are clueless as to the conditions involved. Add to the other problems, but South Florida is full of liberal idiots who don't make any preparations for emergencies. They are like the people who died during Katrina, trapped in their attics because the refused to leave until it was too late.

Where are you exactly? I checked and Orlando is half way up the state of Florida from Miami and it's only 200 miles. I'm just not seeing the problem. I think you are exaggerating the conditions and the problems. I know people who live in southern Florida and they've never mentioned such dire circumstances lasting for "months". Sure you aren't in Puerto Rico?

I am near Ocala, if it's any of your business. You don't see the problem either because you don't want to, or because you aren't smart enough to understand. People leaving South Florida had already bought all the gas that was available there, and they were hitting every station as they headed North, Vehicles were lined up for miles South of Ocala to get into gas stations.

They reminded me of the Mess Jimmy Carter caused when he was in office.

Are you sure that you aren't in an asylum?

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps living in a part of the US that is operated like a third world country is not so good. Perhaps you should move closer to a major city where they get electricity back a lot sooner than MONTHS!

Are you sure that you're an engineer? I live in Central Florida. They have to get the system back on line from the top, down. I live in a small subdivsion, that is a mile from the nearest main primaries that run along State highway 441. The linemen work to restore power to hospitals, and emergency services first. Then they move on to large businesses. Schools and smaller businesses follow that, and finally the residential areas. It took so long because they were using the new poles as fast as they could be trucked in. The initial stockpile was gone in the first couple weeks. On top of this, most of the workers were from out of state, and unfamiliar with the areas being restored. Go out and work for a utility and learn something about the work involved. Local utilities are working on a regular basis to upgrade and harden their local plant. I can't drive very far from home without running into line trucks from Duke, or the nearest city. I've seen probably 1000 new, larger poles being set since January. They will withstand higher winds, and the heavier wire will not only withstand the higher winds, but it will reduce their I/R losses.In the 20 years that I've lived here, it was Florida Power. Then Progress, followed bu Duke.

So what makes you think that EV chargers will be the last things that have power restored? I think it will be the opposite, EV charging will be fairly high on the list. If your service stations all have generators I expect EV charging will be higher on the list that those.

Idiot! the stations will regain power as they restore power to the traffic lights. Stations on the major roads will go back on line before those on less traveled roads. The people in charge are smarter than you.

If I moved to the 'big city' I would have to put up with more assholes and morons. I've only suffered long outages twice, in 32 yeas.

Lol, yes, you would have to put up with the people that make the world work. Or you can suffer. So now you are saying long outages are not such a big deal. Ok, good to know. Keep the EV charged up and you will be able to make it out of the state very easily. Enjoy your EV.

I was too sick to leave the area, and by the time the order came to either leave town or go to a shelter, the shelter was my only choice. You act like Florida has no technology. There is a Lockheed=Martin factory here, along with companies that manufacture medical equipment. Just because I don't live in the city, doesn't mean that there isn't one within 10 miles. I'll trade that for ever living and working in a large city, ever again.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 7:17:45 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

Michael Terrell wrote...

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:57:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

I've used the Volt as a little gen-set in a pinch, lol. It has a 12 volt
battery in the back and 12 volt bus for starting and accessories like
any other car. Just attach a 1kW inverter box to the bus and leave the
car powered up; the 12 volt will run down and the high voltage pack or
engine, depending, will cut in to top it back up when needed.

I can just fire up my small generator, now that I have one.

The Volt is a portable generator, with its own wheels.

My portable generator not only has wheels, but it has a handle. I can leave it running at home or another site, while I drive my truck.

 

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 1:15:30 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 10:02:00 AM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:22:36 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months?

Huh? You mean like in Puerto Rico? Otherwise I haven't seen any places in the US not have electricity for MONTHS! How do you get gasoline without electricity? They bring it in 5 gal jerry cans? Again, I've never been in that situation in my life and never heard of anyone in the US being in that situation. So clearly it's not high on my list of worries.


Idiot. It is brought in by tanker trucks just like other deliveries, once the roads are clear and safe That doesn't happen until the hurricane is over.

Newer gas stations have a generator, but only big enough for the station to operate. Older stations stop receiving fuel deliveries before the electricity is out, so their tanks are empty until power is restored. The stations shut down the generators when they run out of fuel, so no lights means no fuel.


How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane?

You mean like when I was in South Carolina wanting to register my new EV and the state closed the DMVs because of the impending Hurricane? I drove out and charged once before I left, then again when I reached Virginia.

Yawn. You left before it hit, not during or after.

Yes, that's what the smart people do. Why would anyone wait until after the hurricane to leave? I guess that explains a lot of your problem.


Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Yeah, your house didn't have electricity. I bet the Superchargers had juice. It's still early days for EVs, that's true. In another three or four years there will be many, many more charging locations. If emergency shelters are the only places with electricity you have much bigger problems than worrying about a car.


What supercharges? I don't recall seeing any charging stations in this area. When there is no power to entire cites, how will you get power to your precious superchargers?

If you are evacuating you can stop at the Superchargers on your way out.... like any other time when you are driving.


Sure you can. You've never seen a mass evacuation, have you? it isn't anywhere near a normal traffic load. The traffic is bumper to bumper, toll roads are turned off, and even the southbound lanes of I-75 are used for Northbound traffic. You are clueless as to the conditions involved. Add to the other problems, but South Florida is full of liberal idiots who don't make any preparations for emergencies. They are like the people who died during Katrina, trapped in their attics because the refused to leave until it was too late.

So you are blaming the deaths of Katrina on electric cars???

Wow, you are hard to have a conversation with.

Electric cars have ranges comparable with ICE cars. One huge difference is you don't need to use a filling station to charge, you can charge at home.. Most drivers keep their EVs topped off by plugging in every night. So even from Miami, you can travel well north of Orlando on one charge. If you were around Orlando (which I believe you are) you can be out of the state before needing a charge.

So instead of talking like a loon and ranting about their being NO electricity, just be prepared and leave. It's not like they don't see hurricanes coming.

Where are you exactly? I checked and Orlando is half way up the state of Florida from Miami and it's only 200 miles. I'm just not seeing the problem. I think you are exaggerating the conditions and the problems. I know people who live in southern Florida and they've never mentioned such dire circumstances lasting for "months". Sure you aren't in Puerto Rico?


I am near Ocala, if it's any of your business. You don't see the problem either because you don't want to, or because you aren't smart enough to understand. People leaving South Florida had already bought all the gas that was available there, and they were hitting every station as they headed North, Vehicles were lined up for miles South of Ocala to get into gas stations.

See, now you are explaining why an EV would be so much better than a gas car. Top off your EV at home before you leave and you can make to the pan handle or Georgia without refueling. Where's the problem?

They reminded me of the Mess Jimmy Carter caused when he was in office..

Are you sure that you aren't in an asylum?

I expect I am since I am spending my time trying to have a rational conversation with you.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps living in a part of the US that is operated like a third world country is not so good. Perhaps you should move closer to a major city where they get electricity back a lot sooner than MONTHS!

Are you sure that you're an engineer? I live in Central Florida. They have to get the system back on line from the top, down. I live in a small subdivsion, that is a mile from the nearest main primaries that run along State highway 441. The linemen work to restore power to hospitals, and emergency services first. Then they move on to large businesses. Schools and smaller businesses follow that, and finally the residential areas. It took so long because they were using the new poles as fast as they could be trucked in. The initial stockpile was gone in the first couple weeks. On top of this, most of the workers were from out of state, and unfamiliar with the areas being restored. Go out and work for a utility and learn something about the work involved. Local utilities are working on a regular basis to upgrade and harden their local plant. I can't drive very far from home without running into line trucks from Duke, or the nearest city. I've seen probably 1000 new, larger poles being set since January. They will withstand higher winds, and the heavier wire will not only withstand the higher winds, but it will reduce their I/R losses.In the 20 years that I've lived here, it was Florida Power. Then Progress, followed bu Duke.

So what makes you think that EV chargers will be the last things that have power restored? I think it will be the opposite, EV charging will be fairly high on the list. If your service stations all have generators I expect EV charging will be higher on the list that those.

Idiot! the stations will regain power as they restore power to the traffic lights. Stations on the major roads will go back on line before those on less traveled roads. The people in charge are smarter than you.

Imbecile! Chargers will get power even before that as they are part of the higher level infrastructure.

If I moved to the 'big city' I would have to put up with more assholes and morons. I've only suffered long outages twice, in 32 yeas.

Lol, yes, you would have to put up with the people that make the world work. Or you can suffer. So now you are saying long outages are not such a big deal. Ok, good to know. Keep the EV charged up and you will be able to make it out of the state very easily. Enjoy your EV.


I was too sick to leave the area, and by the time the order came to either leave town or go to a shelter, the shelter was my only choice. You act like Florida has no technology. There is a Lockheed=Martin factory here, along with companies that manufacture medical equipment. Just because I don't live in the city, doesn't mean that there isn't one within 10 miles. I'll trade that for ever living and working in a large city, ever again.

No, YOU talk like Florida is a third world country. The idea that they won't have electricity to the infrastructure and larger facilities for MONTHS is absurd. If we have a CME, then yeah, electricity will be a problem because it can't be distributed.

--

Rick C.

-+- Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 1:41:05 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 1:15:30 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 10:02:00 AM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:22:36 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.de...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:56:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
"As of June, the Chinese state subsidy for an electric car,
now worth $9,830, will be cut to around $4,100. To qualify
for any subsidy at all an electric vehicle must now have a
specified range of at least 250 miles. Over the next three
months they will also abolish local government subsidies
and channel these funds into improving the country's
charge-station infrastructure."

China has been accounting for about half the e-Car sales.


You guys are crazy about EVs, but what do you do after a major storm when the grid is down for months?

Huh? You mean like in Puerto Rico? Otherwise I haven't seen any places in the US not have electricity for MONTHS! How do you get gasoline without electricity? They bring it in 5 gal jerry cans? Again, I've never been in that situation in my life and never heard of anyone in the US being in that situation. So clearly it's not high on my list of worries.


Idiot. It is brought in by tanker trucks just like other deliveries, once the roads are clear and safe That doesn't happen until the hurricane is over.

Newer gas stations have a generator, but only big enough for the station to operate. Older stations stop receiving fuel deliveries before the electricity is out, so their tanks are empty until power is restored. The stations shut down the generators when they run out of fuel, so no lights means no fuel.


How do you evacuate half a state during a hurricane?

You mean like when I was in South Carolina wanting to register my new EV and the state closed the DMVs because of the impending Hurricane? I drove out and charged once before I left, then again when I reached Virginia.

Yawn. You left before it hit, not during or after.

Yes, that's what the smart people do. Why would anyone wait until after the hurricane to leave? I guess that explains a lot of your problem.


Even gasoline is in short supply after hurricanes, I've lived through many of them, where the only electricity available was emergency shelters and hospitals. No one is going to let you charge an EV at one of these locations, since they are unsure of replacement fuel deliveries. I have gone close to three months without electricity as thousands of poles are replaced, and downed lines are spliced. During and after Irma, the ONLY source to buy food for a month was a McDonald's that had a reefer full of food brought in ahead of time, and a large mobile generator.

Yeah, your house didn't have electricity. I bet the Superchargers had juice. It's still early days for EVs, that's true. In another three or four years there will be many, many more charging locations. If emergency shelters are the only places with electricity you have much bigger problems than worrying about a car.


What supercharges? I don't recall seeing any charging stations in this area. When there is no power to entire cites, how will you get power to your precious superchargers?

If you are evacuating you can stop at the Superchargers on your way out... like any other time when you are driving.


Sure you can. You've never seen a mass evacuation, have you? it isn't anywhere near a normal traffic load. The traffic is bumper to bumper, toll roads are turned off, and even the southbound lanes of I-75 are used for Northbound traffic. You are clueless as to the conditions involved. Add to the other problems, but South Florida is full of liberal idiots who don't make any preparations for emergencies. They are like the people who died during Katrina, trapped in their attics because the refused to leave until it was too late.

So you are blaming the deaths of Katrina on electric cars???

No, I didn't but that doesn't matter to you.

Wow, you are hard to have a conversation with.

You should talk. You try to twist everything to fit into your fantasy world. I haven't owned a car in over 25 years, only trucks. Drive what you want, but it doesn't work for me. I am in my late '60s, retired and now 100% disabled. Those EVs are too small for me to ride in, let alone drive one because of my damaged legs. Keep showing your stupidity about the real world, I don't care.


> Electric cars have ranges comparable with ICE cars. One huge difference is you don't need to use a filling station to charge, you can charge at home. Most drivers keep their EVs topped off by plugging in every night. So even from Miami, you can travel well north of Orlando on one charge. If you were around Orlando (which I believe you are) you can be out of the state before needing a charge.

One truck I owned had room for one 15 gallon tank, and four 30 gallon tanks.. I got over 30 MPG on the highway, so it could go 4000 miles without refueling, if they were all installed.. Lets see you match that with your EV. It would carry 4400 pounds of cargo, with commercial tags.

So instead of talking like a loon and ranting about their being NO electricity, just be prepared and leave. It's not like they don't see hurricanes coming.


Where are you exactly? I checked and Orlando is half way up the state of Florida from Miami and it's only 200 miles. I'm just not seeing the problem. I think you are exaggerating the conditions and the problems. I know people who live in southern Florida and they've never mentioned such dire circumstances lasting for "months". Sure you aren't in Puerto Rico?


I am near Ocala, if it's any of your business. You don't see the problem either because you don't want to, or because you aren't smart enough to understand. People leaving South Florida had already bought all the gas that was available there, and they were hitting every station as they headed North, Vehicles were lined up for miles South of Ocala to get into gas stations.

See, now you are explaining why an EV would be so much better than a gas car. Top off your EV at home before you leave and you can make to the pan handle or Georgia without refueling. Where's the problem?

The problem is that I have zero use for any current model EV but you just keep trying to hump my legs about them.

They reminded me of the Mess Jimmy Carter caused when he was in office.

Are you sure that you aren't in an asylum?

I expect I am since I am spending my time trying to have a rational conversation with you.

Don't blame your faults on me. You are suffering from 'Sloman Syndrome'. You think you know more about everything than anyone else. My current vehicle is a 2016 Grand Caravan, because it was the only vehicle that I can get in and out of, without screaming in pain. Pull your head out of your ass, and grow up. I pray that you live long enough to beg for death from pain caused by failing health.

Once I left the county's hurricane shelter I had to make the trip to there, while worrying about running out of gasoline. Fuel tankers would hit town around three AM, with enough out of town vehicles lined up to take it all. Some of you have insulted me in the past for keeping Spam on hand, along with other canned goods but it beats starving to death.

Also, after Irma, the grocery stores dropped most of the lower sugar foods which makes it difficult on us diabetics.

I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps living in a part of the US that is operated like a third world country is not so good. Perhaps you should move closer to a major city where they get electricity back a lot sooner than MONTHS!

Are you sure that you're an engineer? I live in Central Florida. They have to get the system back on line from the top, down. I live in a small subdivsion, that is a mile from the nearest main primaries that run along State highway 441. The linemen work to restore power to hospitals, and emergency services first. Then they move on to large businesses. Schools and smaller businesses follow that, and finally the residential areas. It took so long because they were using the new poles as fast as they could be trucked in. The initial stockpile was gone in the first couple weeks. On top of this, most of the workers were from out of state, and unfamiliar with the areas being restored. Go out and work for a utility and learn something about the work involved. Local utilities are working on a regular basis to upgrade and harden their local plant. I can't drive very far from home without running into line trucks from Duke, or the nearest city. I've seen probably 1000 new, larger poles being set since January. They will withstand higher winds, and the heavier wire will not only withstand the higher winds, but it will reduce their I/R losses.In the 20 years that I've lived here, it was Florida Power. Then Progress, followed bu Duke.

So what makes you think that EV chargers will be the last things that have power restored? I think it will be the opposite, EV charging will be fairly high on the list. If your service stations all have generators I expect EV charging will be higher on the list that those.

Idiot! the stations will regain power as they restore power to the traffic lights. Stations on the major roads will go back on line before those on less traveled roads. The people in charge are smarter than you.

Imbecile! Chargers will get power even before that as they are part of the higher level infrastructure.

Sigh. Is there any oxygen where you live?

If I moved to the 'big city' I would have to put up with more assholes and morons. I've only suffered long outages twice, in 32 yeas.

Lol, yes, you would have to put up with the people that make the world work. Or you can suffer. So now you are saying long outages are not such a big deal. Ok, good to know. Keep the EV charged up and you will be able to make it out of the state very easily. Enjoy your EV.


I was too sick to leave the area, and by the time the order came to either leave town or go to a shelter, the shelter was my only choice. You act like Florida has no technology. There is a Lockheed=Martin factory here, along with companies that manufacture medical equipment. Just because I don't live in the city, doesn't mean that there isn't one within 10 miles. I'll trade that for ever living and working in a large city, ever again.

No, YOU talk like Florida is a third world country. The idea that they won't have electricity to the infrastructure and larger facilities for MONTHS is absurd. If we have a CME, then yeah, electricity will be a problem because it can't be distributed.

I consider large cities third world shitholes. They are the perfect place for people like you. I'm thankful that you don't want to live anywhere near me. I used to have to rive the busiest part of the Interstate highways to get to work. You can have them. Orlando is bad enough, and I may never go back, if they don't ever finish rebuilding Interstate-4 through there. There are daily notices about new routes, new exits and backed up traffic as they widen bridges. I am old, tired and sick. Live with it, or go away.