OT: Al Franken

[John S. Dyson]

In article <MPG.1aecef713f8986b098973d@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> writes:

In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
KR Williams wrote:

In article <4081F2A0.725@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
krw wrote:

In article <407F807D.6B6E@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <407E30DB.7DA9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <g1lr70ds174aaafn1eltojbb754b2iunr6@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:06:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Looks like "Liberal Talk Radio" will die a quick death.

...Jim Thompson


Nice shootin, Jim...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=4830320&section=news

It is pretty bad when they don't even have the ethics and
honor to pay their bills and follow through with a business deal.

Given their apparent funding (maybe that was a lie also?), it
seems like the only excuse otherwise (other than lack of
ethics) is simple and complete incompetency. Given the
mouthpieces (like Al) and associated leadership (like the
other Al), it would be prudent and kindest to assume incompetency.

However, given the leftist rhetoric (not necessarily some of their
ideals), perhaps dishonesty and lack of ethics is really the
answer? I don't know which of the kinds of inadequacy that
accurately describes the leftist advocacy, but there is something
really wrong in Air America's lala land. (Air America is
really sort of the right name, where crooks are carried into
a crash landing.)

John
-------------
You're lame and desperate, John. One station owner bounced one check,

More accurately, the payment by Air America for airtime bounced,
and that obviously results from incompetency (and/or a lack of
funding.)
---------------------------
One station. Grow up. You're equivocating.

I didn't know one 1000W radio station could cover both the Chicago and
L.A. markets. Neat trick Steve.

--
Keith
-----------
One owner, dummy.

You said "ONE STATION", liar (like all leftists).

--
Keith
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two. If you *meant* one station
owner, then why didn't you say that, even after being corrected?
I can only conclude that you're a *liar*, since you have no use
for the truth, even after your points have been thoroughly
rebutted. I do understand that lies are okey-dokey for leftists.
...whatever it takes to convince the chronically stupid, even
lies!

The reason why I had earlier quit the discussion was that ANY THINKING

PERSON would have seen that RSW has totally impeached himself WRT
any kind of credibility. For those who still believe his nonsense,
there will be no hope for an kind of open minded (and clear thinking)
evaluation. For those who accept the fact that HOWEVER often they
agree or disagree with me (they don't have to politically agree with
every one of my positions), the Air America scheme has been fully
exposed as the infomercial that it really is. Not only that, it APPEARS
that they havent even done a competent job of negotiating their contracts
and/or paid their "dues."

And yes, the reports were on TWO radio stations, and it is a lie to
claim that it was only one because the TWO stations are owned by
a single owner that was apparently screwed by the lefties.

Also, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of 1kW
MW radio stations!!! For a large metro area (in a noisy city), 10kW is
the minimum that makes any sense for easy reception (especially at
night, when people have time to listen without disrupting their work.)
1kW tends to be too weak, even for moderate
sized cities like Indy, Cinnci or Columbus OH. When looking at LA or
Chicago Metro, a 1kW station is a more than a little on the weak side.

It is too bad that the Air America scam has been trying to take away
minority targeted broadcast time, not even able to clearly and
easily reach the whole metro areas. It seems alot like the Air
America scheme has been poorly planned.

Organized complex thinking hasn't been much of an attribute of the left,
but they are good at organizing based upon simplistic chants that
are so common in the protest marches of the incompetents.

Perhaps they have tried to take advantage of the financial distress that
is so common in minority areas -- and even trying to take away their radio
stations :-(. Oh well, it is MOST STRONGLY a leftist attribute to
believe that the 'ends justifies the means.'

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <I7Egc.886$2k5.884@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> writes:

"Steve Sands" <hybridyne2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4c9fff45.0404181334.779b7383@posting.google.com...
papercut@myway.com (papercut) wrote in message
news:<110bd04c.0404152012.234928e@posting.google.com>...
I caught the broadcasts several times in the last couple weeks. The
other day, they had John Stewart on, it was a rather funny show. And
it was nice to hear Walter Cronkite visit yesterday. A couple other
shows were pretty entertaining, too, though I didn't pick up the names
of the hosts.

I wasn't expecting much, along the lines of Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.
But it was a nice contrast to those. And more funny. The only
comparable media outlet to AirAmerica I'm aware of is Pacifica radio,
which I find rather humorless and unlistenable.

After nearly a couple decades of listening to both extremes on radio
and TV I have come to the conclusion that the left is the real enemy
in the U.S. and abroad. The left has been taken over by neo socialists
and hypersensitive victocrats that would think nothing of tearing down
the entire constitution

entire? I really did not know that. I thought they favored free speech, press,
right to a trial, etc. Thanks for clearing that up.

and the freedoms that allow free enterprise
and private ownership. It's a party that protected a known criminal
governor and wife from Arkansas

Wow! To be a known criminal don't you have to be conviced of something? Or in
your view can you be a "known criminal" for just being a democrat.

For a court officer (lawyer) to lie in a deposition, that is about the

most inexcusable form of deception that is possible in our court system.
People have gone to jail for YEARS for doing what BJ Clinton did in
is deposition.

Perhaps the most horrible thing that Clinton did was to leave us
effectively undefended and to allow the wall between the various
data collection mechanism be maintained. Many of BJs problems
were PROBABLY the very 'lawyer' mentality that he had, and was
too much in the box that confused legal sophistry with real
truth and justice. He might have actually been a much better
man and president, if his wife wasn't a lawyer who was also tainted
by legal sophistry.

BJ is a criminal in both technically legal terms (in his actions,
not necessarily technically convicted, however he did agree to his
VERY VERY LIGHT punishments) and also his actual irresponsible behavior.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <4082EAA1.1F59@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:

Chuck Harris wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

More accurately, the payment by Air America for airtime bounced,
and that obviously results from incompetency (and/or a lack of
funding.)

---------------------------
One station. Grow up. You're equivocating.

I didn't know one 1000W radio station could cover both the Chicago and
L.A. markets. Neat trick Steve.

--
Keith

-----------
One owner, dummy.


-Steve

You still have it wrong Steve:

Air America, has an infomercial, a "talk show", starring Al Franken.
In order to promote their product (democrat party), Air America *BUYS*
air time on radio stations across the US.

Air America contracted with stations across the US but didn't have
the money to pay for the air time they bought. They bounced checks
to stations in at least the Chicago and LA markets.

The station owners in Chicago and LA got mad when the checks bounced,
and stopped the infomercial in the middle of the broadcast.

Air America (Al Franken) bounces checks, gets kicked off the air.

-Chuck
-----------------------------------
Al Franken bounced nuthin'. Checks bounce.

Please re-read the above, and please refer to where anyone claimed

that Al Franken bounced any checks. Are you so very mentally
incompetent that you cannot understand the difference between
Air America (who apparently bounced the checks) and Al Franken
(on-air infomercial 'talent.')

It's a business dispute,
not a crime, and nothing that hasn't happened to virtually any
business

Who claimed that it wasn't due to a business problem. It is fairly

clear that the Air America people didnt' have all of their ducks
in order, and screwed things up pretty badly. If they had such
problems in dealing with the vendors selling the airtime (for
the informercial), then they should have found another vendor.

My guess is that 1kW stations was about as good as they could find,
because the bigger 5kW-50kW stations were too busy making money with
Rush, Sean, Boortz, Witchie poo (Dr Laura), etc.

Hint: it really isn't that bad that Air America is an informercial
scheme -- I believe that the 700 Club is in a similar category. It
is also seems like an evangelical-type scheme, where they ask for donations
to keep on the air.

If the Air America scheme was going to be 'profitable' and a 'viable'
product, it is fairly clear that the stations would like that kind
of fare. Frankly, if I owned a radio station, even though I personally
believe that the VEHEMENT lefties (not all lefties) tend to be
dishonest and narrow minded, I'd try to expand my market with a
lefty radio presence. The 'centrist and conservative' market is
already well supported, and a large percentage
of the market (the wakko-left) isn't addressed by AM talk radio.

My guess is that the lefties (from what I have listened) often come across
as too strident. The Lefties and Dr Laura tend to have a similar
overly strident tone.

Being anti-Bush should certainly be one of the agendas of the left,
but it seems like it is most of the agenda, as if they are fixated
with almost a paranoia. Politics based upon personal hatred isn't
a good thing. (Don't claim the hate thing about Rush -- he is different
from that, he is more a lampooner. I seem to remember comments recently
that some of his listeners were angry with him when he ran into Hillary
and he didn't insult her!!! His attitude, however boring to me, isn't
really hateful.)

When seeing O'Reilly and Al Franken together, I saw an almost 'evil'
coming from Al, almost similar to what can be seen when an ignorant
child (like Al) uses really low calibre, smart-alike claims. This
doesn't make O'Reilly a 'good guy', but Al is definitely a trash
mouth.

Al does't convince, but he only makes his equally ignorant leftist
co-horts (not all leftists) feel good about their clueless idiocy.

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Steve Sands
<hybridyne2000@yahoo.com> wrote (in <4c9fff45.0404190827.23ff0fdd@postin
g.google.com&gt about 'OT: Al Franken', on Mon, 19 Apr 2004:

Unsubstantiated allegations of murder, treason,
and conspiracy have been omitted from the above list.
You left out the Tooth Fairy as well.

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[R. Steve Walz]

KR Williams wrote:

In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
KR Williams wrote:

In article <4081F2A0.725@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
krw wrote:

In article <407F807D.6B6E@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <407E30DB.7DA9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <g1lr70ds174aaafn1eltojbb754b2iunr6@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:06:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Looks like "Liberal Talk Radio" will die a quick death.

...Jim Thompson


Nice shootin, Jim...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=4830320&section=news

It is pretty bad when they don't even have the ethics and
honor to pay their bills and follow through with a business deal.

Given their apparent funding (maybe that was a lie also?), it
seems like the only excuse otherwise (other than lack of
ethics) is simple and complete incompetency. Given the
mouthpieces (like Al) and associated leadership (like the
other Al), it would be prudent and kindest to assume incompetency.

However, given the leftist rhetoric (not necessarily some of their
ideals), perhaps dishonesty and lack of ethics is really the
answer? I don't know which of the kinds of inadequacy that
accurately describes the leftist advocacy, but there is something
really wrong in Air America's lala land. (Air America is
really sort of the right name, where crooks are carried into
a crash landing.)

John
-------------
You're lame and desperate, John. One station owner bounced one check,

More accurately, the payment by Air America for airtime bounced,
and that obviously results from incompetency (and/or a lack of
funding.)
---------------------------
One station. Grow up. You're equivocating.

I didn't know one 1000W radio station could cover both the Chicago and
L.A. markets. Neat trick Steve.

--
Keith
-----------
One owner, dummy.

You said "ONE STATION", liar (like all leftists).

--
Keith
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two.
Keith
------------

Nonsense. See above, idiot.

-Steve
--
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[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <MPG.1aecef713f8986b098973d@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> writes:

In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two. If you *meant* one station
owner, then why didn't you say that, even after being corrected?
I can only conclude that you're a *liar*, since you have no use
for the truth, even after your points have been thoroughly
rebutted. I do understand that lies are okey-dokey for leftists.
...whatever it takes to convince the chronically stupid, even
lies!

The reason why I had earlier quit the discussion was that ANY THINKING
PERSON would have seen that RSW has totally impeached himself WRT
any kind of credibility.
--------------

You mean the only reason you could find,
and a dishonest disingenuous fabricated one.

It is too bad that the Air America scam has been trying to take away
minority targeted broadcast time,
-----------------

IOW you're under the delusion that the Right should own radio as
its forum.

Organized complex thinking hasn't been much of an attribute of the left,
------------------

More disingenuous lies.

Oh well, it is MOST STRONGLY a leftist attribute to
believe that the 'ends justifies the means.'
John
---------------------

They DO!
*IF* the means result in the desired ends, they ARE justified!

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

KR Williams wrote:

In article <4082EBC1.7ED8@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...

Disingenuous liar. One station owner, two stations, his political
ties both uninspected and suspect!

You're the one caught in the lie, Stevie! It wasn't *one*
station, as you repeatedly claim.
------------------

See above, liar.

It was at least *two*. Since
the truth was pointed out to you and you continue to say *one*,
you *are* a liar. ...no mistakes, a fuckin' *LIE*.
-------------

No, that's YOUR lie.

We now know what you're about.
----------------

You've got nuthin' except a pathological reliance on one-liners
from movie scripts.

Only a slack-jawed moron as dumb as a sack of rocks
believes your shit.

You *LIE*. That is now an established fact.
---------------------------

YOUR lie is the only fact here.

If you are centrist/non-radical-leftist, then
the only choice (for president) is unfortunately Bush.
----------------
You have No idea what a Leftist is.

Oh my! Now only the great RSW can define terms and he won't share
his definitions. What an ass...
-------------------------------
Not definitions. You don't have the capacity.

You're a total ass, Steevie. You're parents undoubtedly have
known this for some decades.
-------------------------------

You wouldn't know any such thing.
You don't even know whether they're alive!

You're the slimy disingenuous dishonest partisan liar.
Steve

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

For a court officer (lawyer) to lie in a deposition, that is about the
most inexcusable form of deception that is possible in our court system.
People have gone to jail for YEARS for doing what BJ Clinton did in
is deposition.
-----------------

You Rightist Shit are like a jilted HS girlfriend about Clinton,
you're still weeping and bawling years later, unable to get a date!

The fact is that his kind of masterful shading of the truth has
never been of the kind that has ever been prosecuted or even
remarked on, especially since it wasn't material to the case
for which he was being deposed.

Perhaps the most horrible thing that Clinton did was to leave us
effectively undefended and to allow the wall between the various
data collection mechanism be maintained.
------------------------

Nonsense, agency rivalry dates back a century.

BJ is a criminal
John
-----------------------

Partisan nonsense. You're a bunch of whining schoolgirls pissing
and moaning because YOU didn't get to sucj his dick!

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
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[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <4082EAA1.1F59@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
Chuck Harris wrote:

Air America (Al Franken) bounces checks, gets kicked off the air.

-Chuck
-----------------------------------
Al Franken bounced nuthin'. Checks bounce.

Please re-read the above, and please refer to where anyone claimed
that Al Franken bounced any checks.
--------------

See above.

Are you so very mentally
incompetent that you cannot understand the difference between
Air America (who apparently bounced the checks) and Al Franken
(on-air infomercial 'talent.')
----------------------------

No, but you are!

This
doesn't make O'Reilly a 'good guy', but Al is definitely a trash
mouth.
-------------------

O'Reilly looks like a smarmy car salesman.

Al does't convince, but he only makes his equally ignorant leftist
co-horts (not all leftists) feel good about their clueless idiocy.
John
----------------------

You don't even understand what he says! Go away, simpleton.

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
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[KR Williams]

In article <40843236.5131@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...

KR Williams wrote:

In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
KR Williams wrote:

In article <4081F2A0.725@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
krw wrote:

In article <407F807D.6B6E@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <407E30DB.7DA9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <g1lr70ds174aaafn1eltojbb754b2iunr6@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:06:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Looks like "Liberal Talk Radio" will die a quick death.

...Jim Thompson


Nice shootin, Jim...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=4830320&section=news

It is pretty bad when they don't even have the ethics and
honor to pay their bills and follow through with a business deal.

Given their apparent funding (maybe that was a lie also?), it
seems like the only excuse otherwise (other than lack of
ethics) is simple and complete incompetency. Given the
mouthpieces (like Al) and associated leadership (like the
other Al), it would be prudent and kindest to assume incompetency.

However, given the leftist rhetoric (not necessarily some of their
ideals), perhaps dishonesty and lack of ethics is really the
answer? I don't know which of the kinds of inadequacy that
accurately describes the leftist advocacy, but there is something
really wrong in Air America's lala land. (Air America is
really sort of the right name, where crooks are carried into
a crash landing.)

John
-------------
You're lame and desperate, John. One station owner bounced one check,

More accurately, the payment by Air America for airtime bounced,
and that obviously results from incompetency (and/or a lack of
funding.)
---------------------------
One station. Grow up. You're equivocating.

I didn't know one 1000W radio station could cover both the Chicago and
L.A. markets. Neat trick Steve.

--
Keith
-----------
One owner, dummy.

You said "ONE STATION", liar (like all leftists).

--
Keith
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two.
Keith
------------
Nonsense. See above, idiot.

You haven't rebuted the arguments, liar. You full-well knew you
were stating a non-truth, thus you are a *LIAR*. You're on
record as being a liar, and will always be such.

--
Keith

 

[KR Williams]

In article <408434D5.1C1@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...

KR Williams wrote:

In article <4082EBC1.7ED8@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...

Disingenuous liar. One station owner, two stations, his political
ties both uninspected and suspect!

You're the one caught in the lie, Stevie! It wasn't *one*
station, as you repeatedly claim.
------------------
See above, liar.

Nope, liar. It was *two* stations. You repeat that it was
*one*, even after being corrected.

It was at least *two*. Since
the truth was pointed out to you and you continue to say *one*,
you *are* a liar. ...no mistakes, a fuckin' *LIE*.
-------------
No, that's YOUR lie.

You lied. I said nothing but the truth.

We now know what you're about.
----------------
You've got nuthin' except a pathological reliance on one-liners
from movie scripts.

Movie scripts. Steevie, you gotta get back on your meds.

Only a slack-jawed moron as dumb as a sack of rocks
believes your shit.

You *LIE*. That is now an established fact.
---------------------------
YOUR lie is the only fact here.

Steevie, you're the one caught in the lie. YOu just lost 50pts
off your self-engrandized IQ for such a stoopid and easily
confirmed lie.

If you are centrist/non-radical-leftist, then
the only choice (for president) is unfortunately Bush.
----------------
You have No idea what a Leftist is.

Oh my! Now only the great RSW can define terms and he won't share
his definitions. What an ass...
-------------------------------
Not definitions. You don't have the capacity.

You're a total ass, Steevie. You're parents undoubtedly have
known this for some decades.
-------------------------------
You wouldn't know any such thing.

That you *have* parents? You're right. I certainly wouldn't
claim such a liar as mine.

You don't even know whether they're alive!

True, they've likely died of embarrassment.

You're the slimy disingenuous dishonest partisan liar.

I'm rubber, you're glue...
Your lies stick to you.


--
Keith

 

[KR Williams]

In article <c5vo08$2u6q$1@news.iquest.net>, toor@iquest.net
says...

In article <MPG.1aecef713f8986b098973d@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> writes:
In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
KR Williams wrote:

In article <4081F2A0.725@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
krw wrote:

In article <407F807D.6B6E@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <407E30DB.7DA9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <g1lr70ds174aaafn1eltojbb754b2iunr6@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:06:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Looks like "Liberal Talk Radio" will die a quick death.

...Jim Thompson


Nice shootin, Jim...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=4830320&section=news

It is pretty bad when they don't even have the ethics and
honor to pay their bills and follow through with a business deal.

Given their apparent funding (maybe that was a lie also?), it
seems like the only excuse otherwise (other than lack of
ethics) is simple and complete incompetency. Given the
mouthpieces (like Al) and associated leadership (like the
other Al), it would be prudent and kindest to assume incompetency.

However, given the leftist rhetoric (not necessarily some of their
ideals), perhaps dishonesty and lack of ethics is really the
answer? I don't know which of the kinds of inadequacy that
accurately describes the leftist advocacy, but there is something
really wrong in Air America's lala land. (Air America is
really sort of the right name, where crooks are carried into
a crash landing.)

John
-------------
You're lame and desperate, John. One station owner bounced one check,

More accurately, the payment by Air America for airtime bounced,
and that obviously results from incompetency (and/or a lack of
funding.)
---------------------------
One station. Grow up. You're equivocating.

I didn't know one 1000W radio station could cover both the Chicago and
L.A. markets. Neat trick Steve.

--
Keith
-----------
One owner, dummy.

You said "ONE STATION", liar (like all leftists).

--
Keith
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two. If you *meant* one station
owner, then why didn't you say that, even after being corrected?
I can only conclude that you're a *liar*, since you have no use
for the truth, even after your points have been thoroughly
rebutted. I do understand that lies are okey-dokey for leftists.
...whatever it takes to convince the chronically stupid, even
lies!

The reason why I had earlier quit the discussion was that ANY THINKING
PERSON would have seen that RSW has totally impeached himself WRT
any kind of credibility.

Just for credibility's sake, I looked up the stations of
interest. The Chichago station is a 1kW/5kW (daytime/nighttime)
station. If anyone cares to glue this together...

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=wntd&arn=&city=&freq=
530&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&list=1
&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9


The LA station is a 50kW burner:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=kbla&arn=&city=&freq=
530&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&list=1
&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

For those who still believe his nonsense,
there will be no hope for an kind of open minded (and clear thinking)
evaluation. For those who accept the fact that HOWEVER often they
agree or disagree with me (they don't have to politically agree with
every one of my positions), the Air America scheme has been fully
exposed as the infomercial that it really is. Not only that, it APPEARS
that they havent even done a competent job of negotiating their contracts
and/or paid their "dues."

Of course. Even Imus gets money (and exchanges time == money)
with his affiliates. Only network news *pays* for time (out of
advertizing). Only Ronco pays for blocks of time. Even Ron has
*something* to sell. ;-)

And yes, the reports were on TWO radio stations, and it is a lie to
claim that it was only one because the TWO stations are owned by
a single owner that was apparently screwed by the lefties.

It is a lie, particularly after he was corrected several times.
.... all easily verifiable. He still sticks to the same story ==
*big-lie*.

Also, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of 1kW
MW radio stations!!! For a large metro area (in a noisy city), 10kW is
the minimum that makes any sense for easy reception (especially at
night, when people have time to listen without disrupting their work.)

To be fair (I did a FCC search earlier), the LA station is a 50kW
monster. The Chicago station is a 1kW paper-tiger though.

1kW tends to be too weak, even for moderate
sized cities like Indy, Cinnci or Columbus OH. When looking at LA or
Chicago Metro, a 1kW station is a more than a little on the weak side.

I'm surprised 1kW gets above the 'el' noise in Chicago. LA; see
above.

It is too bad that the Air America scam has been trying to take away
minority targeted broadcast time, not even able to clearly and
easily reach the whole metro areas. It seems alot like the Air
America scheme has been poorly planned.

Poorly planned, without a doubt. Taking away minority
representation... I dunno. I didn't look up their license
request. It's on the FCC site. Perhaps Mr. Liu did get
licensed based on "minority broadcast"? Selling out to AA may be
a license violation?

Organized complex thinking hasn't been much of an attribute of the left,
but they are good at organizing based upon simplistic chants that
are so common in the protest marches of the incompetents.

Sure. Death by sound-bite. I don't think people are buying this
as much these days. CNN seems to be in rough water. Fox is
taking market share constantly.

Perhaps they have tried to take advantage of the financial distress that
is so common in minority areas -- and even trying to take away their radio
stations :-(. Oh well, it is MOST STRONGLY a leftist attribute to
believe that the 'ends justifies the means.'

I don't think it's that overt, though the leftists and libs
really don't care crap about those they pander to. They would
rather keep them where they are than try to help them to better
themselves. Jesse and Al are the left's great American
minorities.

--
Keith

 

[KR Williams]

In article <iVKgc.1$0C3.0@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>, xxx@yy.zz
says...

"John S. Dyson" <toor@iquest.net> wrote in message
news:c5vob5$2u6q$2@news.iquest.net...
In article <I7Egc.886$2k5.884@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> writes:

"Steve Sands" <hybridyne2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4c9fff45.0404181334.779b7383@posting.google.com...
papercut@myway.com (papercut) wrote in message
news:<110bd04c.0404152012.234928e@posting.google.com>...
I caught the broadcasts several times in the last couple weeks. The
other day, they had John Stewart on, it was a rather funny show. And
it was nice to hear Walter Cronkite visit yesterday. A couple other
shows were pretty entertaining, too, though I didn't pick up the names
of the hosts.

I wasn't expecting much, along the lines of Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.
But it was a nice contrast to those. And more funny. The only
comparable media outlet to AirAmerica I'm aware of is Pacifica radio,
which I find rather humorless and unlistenable.

After nearly a couple decades of listening to both extremes on radio
and TV I have come to the conclusion that the left is the real enemy
in the U.S. and abroad. The left has been taken over by neo socialists
and hypersensitive victocrats that would think nothing of tearing down
the entire constitution

entire? I really did not know that. I thought they favored free speech,
press,
right to a trial, etc. Thanks for clearing that up.

and the freedoms that allow free enterprise
and private ownership. It's a party that protected a known criminal
governor and wife from Arkansas

Wow! To be a known criminal don't you have to be conviced of something? Or
in
your view can you be a "known criminal" for just being a democrat.

For a court officer (lawyer) to lie in a deposition, that is about the
most inexcusable form of deception that is possible in our court system.
People have gone to jail for YEARS for doing what BJ Clinton did in
is deposition.


Who is this BJ Clinton?

Bill Jefferson Clinton, as if you didn't know. I guess you
lefties are as ignorant as you are stupid.

--
Keith

 

[KR Williams]

In article <40843358.E38@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <MPG.1aecef713f8986b098973d@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> writes:

In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two. If you *meant* one station
owner, then why didn't you say that, even after being corrected?
I can only conclude that you're a *liar*, since you have no use
for the truth, even after your points have been thoroughly
rebutted. I do understand that lies are okey-dokey for leftists.
...whatever it takes to convince the chronically stupid, even
lies!

The reason why I had earlier quit the discussion was that ANY THINKING
PERSON would have seen that RSW has totally impeached himself WRT
any kind of credibility.
--------------
You mean the only reason you could find,
and a dishonest disingenuous fabricated one.

More RSW vacuous comments.

It is too bad that the Air America scam has been trying to take away
minority targeted broadcast time,
-----------------
IOW you're under the delusion that the Right should own radio as
its forum.


Organized complex thinking hasn't been much of an attribute of the left,
------------------
More disingenuous lies.

More slander, with no intellectual backup.

Oh well, it is MOST STRONGLY a leftist attribute to
believe that the 'ends justifies the means.'
John
---------------------
They DO!
*IF* the means result in the desired ends, they ARE justified!

More RSW sillyness. According to you murder is justified, as
long as it supports your utopian plans. Uday had some good times
with this logic too.

--
Keith

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <40843707.7CB8@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <4082EAA1.1F59@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
Chuck Harris wrote:

Air America (Al Franken) bounces checks, gets kicked off the air.

-Chuck
-----------------------------------

Air America, has an infomercial, a "talk show", starring Al Franken.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In order to promote their product (democrat party), Air America *BUYS*
air time on radio stations across the US.

Air America contracted with stations across the US but didn't have
^^^^^^^^^^^
the money to pay for the air time they bought. They bounced checks
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to stations in at least the Chicago and LA markets.

The station owners in Chicago and LA got mad when the checks bounced,
and stopped the infomercial in the middle of the broadcast.

Al Franken bounced nuthin'. Checks bounce.

Please re-read the above, and please refer to where anyone claimed
that Al Franken bounced any checks.
--------------

See above.

(Refer to context that was reinserted, after your grotesque and dishonest

editing job.)

Yes, when reading the context that you DISHONESTLY removed, it becomes
clear that he wasn't referring to Al Franken, the Infomercial host as
personally bouncing the check. He was referring to Air America AS
BOUNCING THE CHECKS.

Read the 'arrows' above, and it is clear that he is stating that
Air America bounced the checks, and Al Franken (the Infomercial host)
is their info-poodle.

More leftist dishonesty proven again. Like the leftist media (e.g.
CBS, NBC, ABC), you remove context to make yourself appear to
be superficially accurate.

John

 

[Bill]

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aee5b3b6d9a221a98975e@news1.news.adelphia.net...

Bill Jefferson Clinton, as if you didn't know.

And who is that?

I guess you
lefties are as ignorant as you are stupid.

--

You mean really really smart?

Bill

> Keith

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <MPG.1aee5ab41be6b198975d@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> writes:

In article <c5vo08$2u6q$1@news.iquest.net>, toor@iquest.net
says...
In article <MPG.1aecef713f8986b098973d@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> writes:
In article <4082EAE1.ECF@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
KR Williams wrote:

In article <4081F2A0.725@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
krw wrote:

In article <407F807D.6B6E@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <407E30DB.7DA9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <g1lr70ds174aaafn1eltojbb754b2iunr6@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> writes:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:06:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Looks like "Liberal Talk Radio" will die a quick death.

...Jim Thompson


Nice shootin, Jim...

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=4830320&section=news

It is pretty bad when they don't even have the ethics and
honor to pay their bills and follow through with a business deal.

Given their apparent funding (maybe that was a lie also?), it
seems like the only excuse otherwise (other than lack of
ethics) is simple and complete incompetency. Given the
mouthpieces (like Al) and associated leadership (like the
other Al), it would be prudent and kindest to assume incompetency.

However, given the leftist rhetoric (not necessarily some of their
ideals), perhaps dishonesty and lack of ethics is really the
answer? I don't know which of the kinds of inadequacy that
accurately describes the leftist advocacy, but there is something
really wrong in Air America's lala land. (Air America is
really sort of the right name, where crooks are carried into
a crash landing.)

John
-------------
You're lame and desperate, John. One station owner bounced one check,

More accurately, the payment by Air America for airtime bounced,
and that obviously results from incompetency (and/or a lack of
funding.)
---------------------------
One station. Grow up. You're equivocating.

I didn't know one 1000W radio station could cover both the Chicago and
L.A. markets. Neat trick Steve.

--
Keith
-----------
One owner, dummy.

You said "ONE STATION", liar (like all leftists).

--
Keith
----------------------------
One station owner, liar, like all you crooked Nixonesque Righists.

Again, RSW, You're a LIAR. You continue= to state that it was
*one* station, when it was two. If you *meant* one station
owner, then why didn't you say that, even after being corrected?
I can only conclude that you're a *liar*, since you have no use
for the truth, even after your points have been thoroughly
rebutted. I do understand that lies are okey-dokey for leftists.
...whatever it takes to convince the chronically stupid, even
lies!

The reason why I had earlier quit the discussion was that ANY THINKING
PERSON would have seen that RSW has totally impeached himself WRT
any kind of credibility.

Just for credibility's sake, I looked up the stations of
interest. The Chichago station is a 1kW/5kW (daytime/nighttime)
station. If anyone cares to glue this together...

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=wntd&arn=&city=&freq=
530&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&list=1
&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9


The LA station is a 50kW burner:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=&call=kbla&arn=&city=&freq=
530&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&list=1
&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

Thank you for the correction. The 50kW is certainly good enough

to handle a metro area (normally the max AM radio station power
in the US), but as you also suggested -- the Chicago
station is a little lame.

Of course. Even Imus gets money (and exchanges time == money)
with his affiliates. Only network news *pays* for time (out of
advertizing). Only Ronco pays for blocks of time. Even Ron has
*something* to sell. ;-)

There was actually a little bit of a 'stir' about O'Reilly who

was also allegedly purchasing time in some markets. It was a little
bit of a scandal (and initially seemed to be a potentially weak entry.)
In reality, the Democrat infomercial is a much worse 'scandal' when
the backbone of the rhetorical advocacy of the Democrat party (Al Gore,
Al Franken, et all) didn't have enough of a quality product to sell
their time (instead of purchase infomercial time.)

And yes, the reports were on TWO radio stations, and it is a lie to
claim that it was only one because the TWO stations are owned by
a single owner that was apparently screwed by the lefties.

It is a lie, particularly after he was corrected several times.
... all easily verifiable. He still sticks to the same story ==
*big-lie*.

Walz is indeed a liar, not even able to accept compromise when

he is totally wrong. My ego tends to be not so weak, where I
do happily accept honest correction or constructive criticism
(e.g. from some of your comments about some of my comments.)

Also, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of 1kW
MW radio stations!!! For a large metro area (in a noisy city), 10kW is
the minimum that makes any sense for easy reception (especially at
night, when people have time to listen without disrupting their work.)

To be fair (I did a FCC search earlier), the LA station is a 50kW
monster. The Chicago station is a 1kW paper-tiger though.

Yes, I acknowledge that error -- and honestly, I was only using

information from 2nd hand sources. I should have had enough
motivation to look up the info (like you did.) Thank you.

1kW tends to be too weak, even for moderate
sized cities like Indy, Cinnci or Columbus OH. When looking at LA or
Chicago Metro, a 1kW station is a more than a little on the weak side.

I'm surprised 1kW gets above the 'el' noise in Chicago. LA; see
above.

In Indy, we have some stations that try to get by with a couple 100

watts to perhaps a kW or so. Given the noise at night (due to
propagation issues), such stations have very very short useful ranges.
There are only a few AM stations in Indy that have enough power to give
consistent coverage across town. (I'll make sure that I no longer
imply that the LA station was so very lame.) With some fancy reception
gear, I can do better than the average radio, but the AM band seems
mostly to be overwhelmed by interference sources. Our local power
company also seems to be getting by with murder WRT their noisy power
lines (lots of arcing.) It is bad on main roads through the city,
where the power lines alone along with the street lights provide
incredible amounts of noise.

It is too bad that the Air America scam has been trying to take away
minority targeted broadcast time, not even able to clearly and
easily reach the whole metro areas. It seems alot like the Air
America scheme has been poorly planned.

Poorly planned, without a doubt. Taking away minority
representation... I dunno. I didn't look up their license
request. It's on the FCC site. Perhaps Mr. Liu did get
licensed based on "minority broadcast"? Selling out to AA may be
a license violation?

That would be an interesting issue. If they only did the Franken

infomercial for a few hours during the day, would that cause them
problem even with a 'minority' license? Is there actually such a
kind of license (i.e. broadcast material) instead of minority
ownership? My 1st phone license is 30yrs expired, and I haven't
kept up with radio broadcasting since then . So, actually, I
have to plead ignorance about the licensing constraints.

Organized complex thinking hasn't been much of an attribute of the left,
but they are good at organizing based upon simplistic chants that
are so common in the protest marches of the incompetents.

Sure. Death by sound-bite.

That is a good description of current AMERICAN left wing

rhetoric: Death by sound-bite. We truly do need a balance between
the right and the left, but the left doesn't seem to have enough
confidence in its (often limited) good ideas and/or has a perception
that their idealogy is unacceptable to the public, and the leftist
politicians avoid in-depth give-and-take discussion. Rather, they seem to
take a page from the Jesse Jackson kind of group chanting mentality.

I don't think people are buying this
as much these days.

I sure hope that the Democrat constituencies start to fully

understand how the Democrat politicians appear to assume (and
depend upon) the incredible ignorance of reality in the Dem
constituency groups. Their rhetoric is almost purely
emotional -- and their political strategy is analogous
to the short term financial strategy of poorly run big businesses.

Don't get me wrong: there are also defects in some of the
GOP methods and behavior. However, the party with the
JFKennedy's style of inspiration is DEFINITELY more the
GOP rather than the Dems. JFKs record as president was
far from perfect, but he had some good conceptual
idealogy, and GWB isn't very different in that regard.

CNN seems to be in rough water. Fox is
taking market share constantly.

The sad thing is that CNN apparently has a better organization

and more resources, and is capable of providing more complete
in-depth reporting. However, people are sick and tired with
the leftist and almost anti-America bias in organizations
like CNN and ABC. This is probably why the lesser 'Fox'
news network has made so much progress -- Fox isn't really
less accurate than the left wing propagandists, but is also
not as anti-America.

They do forget that they are Americans first before being
reporters, and some of our more recent leftist zealots like
Cronkite were truly loyal 'Americans' during WWII more than
Amanpour (sp) or Peter Jennings. Too much propaganda is
certainly mostly undesirable, but some anti-America news
organizations like CNN, ABC or Al Jazeera choose the wrong
side of the propaganda game for my own tastes. People are
sick and tired of biased anti-America propaganda, but would
also eventually distrust a pure America cheerleading
team also. A critical view is important, but effectively
cheeleading against America (even sometimes avoiding a flag
lapel pin -- however silly that is) is disgusting and emotionally
punishing without any benefit. Fox AT
LEAST attempts to provide some balance
when bias is probable. Too often, CNN has provided a *token*
centrist or right-winger only. The lefties available on
Fox are pretty formadable, just like the righties. Colmes
is just as good a lefty as Hannity is a righty, but Colmes
has apparently had less success in radio -- for obvious
reasons.

Perhaps they have tried to take advantage of the financial distress that
is so common in minority areas -- and even trying to take away their radio
stations :-(. Oh well, it is MOST STRONGLY a leftist attribute to
believe that the 'ends justifies the means.'

I don't think it's that overt, though the leftists and libs
really don't care crap about those they pander to.

I suspect that you are 100% right.

John

 

[Bill]

"John S. Dyson" <toor@iquest.net> wrote in message
news:c62ioo$o30$1@news.iquest.net...

In article <3x2hc.731$tp5.721@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
"Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> writes:

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aee5b3b6d9a221a98975e@news1.news.adelphia.net...

Bill Jefferson Clinton, as if you didn't know.

And who is that?

Amazing that someone talking about politics doesn't realize that
BJ Clinton is the impeached (because of telling lies in a
deposition as a court officer) ex-president of the USA.

John

Is it not WJ?

And you seem to have not responded to my previous post. I'll repeat it for
you.

Bill

_______________

For a court officer (lawyer) to lie in a deposition, that is about the
most inexcusable form of deception that is possible in our court system.
People have gone to jail for YEARS for doing what BJ Clinton did in
is deposition.

Who is this BJ Clinton? And I would have thought that falsely accusing
someone of murder in court or something like that would be worse. Planting
guns and things like that too.

Perhaps the most horrible thing that Clinton did was to leave us
effectively undefended and to allow the wall between the various
data collection mechanism be maintained.

Are you talking about the law that was created in the 70s and maintained by
Bush 1 & 2 and Reagan. Exactly how is Clinton worse than the others? And is
this not an issue for Congress anyway?. (And did you not mention something
earlier about following the Constitution?) So if you think this is the most
horrible thing he has done, exactly what did he do? Be precise now.

Many of BJs problems

Who is this person? Do you need to call people names to make a point? Is that
because you have no arguments?

were PROBABLY the very 'lawyer' mentality that he had, and was
too much in the box that confused legal sophistry with real
truth and justice. He might have actually been a much better
man and president, if his wife wasn't a lawyer who was also tainted
by legal sophistry.

Your insight is amazing. So again you are back to his wife? What does this
have to do with anything?

BJ is a criminal in both technically legal terms (in his actions,
not necessarily technically convicted, however he did agree to his
VERY VERY LIGHT punishments) and also his actual irresponsible behavior.

John

Did you say something about legal sophistry? He is a "known criminal" except
for the minor point he was never convicted of anything!

Is Bush a known criminal in your view? DWIs etc.

Bill

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <3x2hc.731$tp5.721@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
"Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> writes:

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aee5b3b6d9a221a98975e@news1.news.adelphia.net...

Bill Jefferson Clinton, as if you didn't know.

And who is that?

Amazing that someone talking about politics doesn't realize that

BJ Clinton is the impeached (because of telling lies in a
deposition as a court officer) ex-president of the USA.

John