OT: Al Franken

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:10:38 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <e06d80560jih1aijqcc41bee8vvpl990qi@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Al Franken', on Wed, 21 Apr 2004:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:38:56 +0100, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

[snip]

Of course, Israel is not trusted in respect of much else, and is very
widely condemned for its assassination activities.

Oh, Really? Where IS this "widely condemned"?

Outside the USA, obviously.

Does that matter ?

I like the Israeli's! We should have such balls !-)

...Jim Thompson
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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <hv7d80t4hrjv5neetkjiscf5q20rujjqhh@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Al Franken', on Wed, 21 Apr 2004:

I like the Israeli's! We should have such balls !-)

I support their 'right' (whatever that means) to the land west of Jordan
roughly between 31 N and 32 N, together with access via the Negev to the
Red Sea (at modern Eilat). I do not support all their activities.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:53:11 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <hv7d80t4hrjv5neetkjiscf5q20rujjqhh@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Al Franken', on Wed, 21 Apr 2004:

I like the Israeli's! We should have such balls !-)

I support their 'right' (whatever that means) to the land west of Jordan
roughly between 31 N and 32 N, together with access via the Negev to the
Red Sea (at modern Eilat). I do not support all their activities.

They might still be in the British mandate area if the Arabs hadn't
kept raising huge armies and attacking, then turning tail the first
time they run up against a troop of armed Jewish teenage girls. They
invented a reverse-ratchet mechanism.

Not all problems have solutions, I fear.

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <isnd8094clhc3hg3llafgqar0sg5r52ie0@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Al Franken', on Wed, 21 Apr 2004:

then turning tail the first
time they run up against a troop of armed Jewish teenage girls.

Do you blame them? Teenage girls scare me even when not Jewish and not
armed. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message news:<G7Qk4bBQWphAFwh7@jmwa.demon.co.uk>...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org
wrote (in <7c584d27.0404210313.54bca3b7@posting.google.com&gt about 'OT:
Al Franken', on Wed, 21 Apr 2004:
And not buying the conservatives fraudulent drivel. You seem strangely
relucant to notice that Dubbya sold the invasion of Irak on the basis
that they had weapons of mass destruction that nobody has been able to
find, while supporting Israel, whose nuclear capability is well-known.

The point is that he, and the international community in general, trusts
Israel **in the matter of WMD***, far more than they trusted Saddam. Do
you think they are wrong?

In times past, the Israeli's looked trustworthy, and acted pretty
responsibly -they did cut a few corners, but their situation is pretty
insecure. They are now displaying a contempt for human life which I
find deeply disturbing, so I guess I'd have to say that I think that
their trust is now misplaced.

Of course, Israel is not trusted in respect of much else, and is very
widely condemned for its assassination activities.

Not widely enough. And it strikes me that condemnation with teeth is
somewhat overdue.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Product developer]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40865B8F.62B7@armory.com>...

Product developer wrote:

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word
to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him
and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further
supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife
are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code
of ethics.
--------------
There are liars, damned liars, and then you, you fucking liar.

Sorry you have so much pain in your heart. I was shocked too. Not
really.

If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower
ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was
brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed
all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or
wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society
was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to
generation on welfare.
-----------------
Rightist bigot hobbyhorse.

Right is right.

Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in
was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was
in charge of the U.S. Government and military.
--------------------
The first president with an IQ above 150 this century.

Hope you are not referencing the bogus "Lovenstein Institute report"
that turned out to be a fraudulant study used by liberal pinheads to
prop Bubba up.
You surely are not inferring this on his so called Rhodes Scholar
program from which he failed to regularly attend and eventually
dropped out.

A man who loathed the
military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles
Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country
come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it
could put a guy like this in office?
----------------------------
More of your typical republican penis envy.

How do you associate your own problems with your little Willie with an
ignorant populace? Actually Bill had Perones disease and his long
fellow, which from some victim accounts was actually quite small, had
a severe bend in it. Hardly a penis to envious of.

Your reference to the male part must be an internalization or you just
might be a typical liberal dick head.

-Steve

 

[Product developer]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40865B8F.62B7@armory.com>...

Product developer wrote:

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word
to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him
and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further
supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife
are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code
of ethics.
--------------
There are liars, damned liars, and then you, you fucking liar.

Sorry you have so much pain in your heart. I was shocked too. Not
really.

If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower
ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was
brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed
all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or
wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society
was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to
generation on welfare.
-----------------
Rightist bigot hobbyhorse.

Right is right.

Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in
was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was
in charge of the U.S. Government and military.
--------------------
The first president with an IQ above 150 this century.

Hope you are not referencing the bogus "Lovenstein Institute report"
that turned out to be a fraudulant study used by liberal pinheads to
prop Bubba up.
You surely are not inferring this on his so called Rhodes Scholar
program from which he failed to regularly attend and eventually
dropped out.

A man who loathed the
military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles
Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country
come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it
could put a guy like this in office?
----------------------------
More of your typical republican penis envy.

How do you associate your own problems with your little Willie with an
ignorant populace? Actually Bill had Perones disease and his long
fellow, which from some victim accounts was actually quite small, had
a severe bend in it. Hardly a penis to envious of.

Your reference to the male part must be an internalization or you just
might be a typical liberal dick head.

-Steve

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:28:22 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

Product developer wrote:

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word
to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him
and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further
supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife
are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code
of ethics.
--------------
There are liars, damned liars, and then you, you fucking liar.


If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower
ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was
brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed
all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or
wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society
was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to
generation on welfare.
-----------------
Rightist bigot hobbyhorse.


Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in
was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was
in charge of the U.S. Government and military.
--------------------
The first president with an IQ above 150 this century.


A man who loathed the
military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles
Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country
come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it
could put a guy like this in office?
----------------------------
More of your typical republican penis envy.

-Steve

Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John
---------

Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Product developer wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40865B8F.62B7@armory.com>...
Product developer wrote:

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word
to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him
and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further
supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife
are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code
of ethics.
--------------
There are liars, damned liars, and then you, you fucking liar.

Sorry you have so much pain in your heart.
-----------------

Nope, hate for evil.

I was shocked too. Not
really.
--------------

Eat shit and die.

If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower
ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was
brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed
all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or
wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society
was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to
generation on welfare.
-----------------
Rightist bigot hobbyhorse.

Right is right.
-------------------

Right is Wrong.

Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in
was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was
in charge of the U.S. Government and military.
--------------------
The first president with an IQ above 150 this century.

Hope you are not referencing the bogus "Lovenstein Institute report"
that turned out to be a fraudulant study used by liberal pinheads to
prop Bubba up.
You surely are not inferring this on his so called Rhodes Scholar
program from which he failed to regularly attend and eventually
dropped out.
-----------------------------------

None of what you said here is accurate.
However well-crafted your shit is.

A man who loathed the
military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles
Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country
come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it
could put a guy like this in office?
----------------------------
More of your typical republican penis envy.

How do you associate your own problems with your little Willie with an
ignorant populace?
-------------------------

You're obviously the populace who's ignorant of my Willy.

Actually Bill had Perones disease and his long
fellow, which from some victim accounts was actually quite small, had
a severe bend in it. Hardly a penis to envious of.
--------------------------

Peyronie isn't found with small penises, it only afflicts large ones.
Again you misspeak.

Your reference to the male part must be an internalization or you just
might be a typical liberal dick head.
-----------------------------

You're reaching, don't touch it.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org
wrote (in <7c584d27.0404210313.54bca3b7@posting.google.com&gt about 'OT:
Al Franken', on Wed, 21 Apr 2004:
And not buying the conservatives fraudulent drivel. You seem strangely
relucant to notice that Dubbya sold the invasion of Irak on the basis
that they had weapons of mass destruction that nobody has been able to
find, while supporting Israel, whose nuclear capability is well-known.

The pint is that he, and the international community in general, trusts
Israel **in the matter of WMD***, far more than they trusted Saddam. Do
you think they are wrong?

Of course, Israel is not trusted in respect of much else, and is very
widely condemned for its assassination activities.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
---------------

Nonsense. They have 200 nukes, and no one has worried they would use
them unless their absolute existence was threatened.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Product developer]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40872FF8.4C8E@armory.com>...

Product developer wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40865B8F.62B7@armory.com>...
Product developer wrote:

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word
to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him
and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further
supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife
are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code
of ethics.
--------------
There are liars, damned liars, and then you, you fucking liar.

Sorry you have so much pain in your heart.
-----------------
Nope, hate for evil.


I was shocked too. Not
really.
--------------
Eat shit and die.

You use this a lot in your immature, uninformed, and bizzare posts. Is
eating excrement and having an issue with male genitalia something you
picked up in prison or did you have a problem with potty training that
led to this severe disorder? I also noticed that many of your posts in
other groups have to do with adolescent sex issues. In fact there
seems to be a sexual nature to many of your barbs. It's never too late
to get some help.

If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower
ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was
brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed
all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or
wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society
was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to
generation on welfare.
-----------------
Rightist bigot hobbyhorse.

Right is right.
-------------------
Right is Wrong.


Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in
was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was
in charge of the U.S. Government and military.
--------------------
The first president with an IQ above 150 this century.

Hope you are not referencing the bogus "Lovenstein Institute report"
that turned out to be a fraudulant study used by liberal pinheads to
prop Bubba up.
You surely are not inferring this on his so called Rhodes Scholar
program from which he failed to regularly attend and eventually
dropped out.
-----------------------------------
None of what you said here is accurate.
However well-crafted your shit is.

The above is established and accepted fact but facts are like wolf
bane to libs and commies. You guys prefer to "feel" not think. Bill
dropped out of the program and was never a Rhodes Scholar but that
never kept the press from misrepresenting that fact.

A man who loathed the
military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles
Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country
come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it
could put a guy like this in office?
----------------------------
More of your typical republican penis envy.

How do you associate your own problems with your little Willie with an
ignorant populace?
-------------------------
You're obviously the populace who's ignorant of my Willy.

Another sexual reference. Are you wearing a dress and pumps right now?

Actually Bill had Perones disease and his long
fellow, which from some victim accounts was actually quite small, had
a severe bend in it. Hardly a penis to envious of.
--------------------------
Peyronie isn't found with small penises, it only afflicts large ones.
Again you misspeak.

You at least looked up the word, but again you are short on facts.
There is no coorelation between this affliction and size. More wishful
thinking on your part.

Your reference to the male part must be an internalization or you just
might be a typical liberal dick head.
-----------------------------
You're reaching, don't touch it.

I have a feeling you have to reach real far to touch it and that
explains all the sexual references in your posts.

-Steve

Please pay the receptionist on the way out and take all your
medications.

 

[Chuck Harris]

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John

---------
Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.

-Steve

Fortunately here in the US we have a constitutional republic rather
than a democracy. Our founding fathers rightfully feared a "mobocracy".

-Chuck

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:30:30 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John
---------
Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.

-Steve

Despotism is the only outcome of Communism.

John

 

[Bill]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in message
news:a8uf80915u7uhpncj798dsdnrmni4clu80@4ax.com...

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:30:30 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:


Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John
---------
Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.

-Steve


Despotism is the only outcome of Communism.

John
`

I don't agree with that. Russia is a good counter example - i.e. Communism
will probably in the long run fall apart as an economic system. As is China.
They do have one party rule, but not one person. Both the courts and the
marketplace have some power.

BTW does it worry you that China now owns about $400 billion of our national
debt? (Because of the debt and the trade imbalance, they have the money to buy
our bonds.) Just by putting these on the market they could throw our economy
in to chaos - suddenly there are a massive amount of bonds on the market and
our interest rates go sky high. Thus they have a serious lever over us in any
negotiation.

Bill

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

"Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> wrote in
message news:MyThc.733$J93.723@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...

I don't agree with that. Russia is a good counter example - i.e.
Communism
will probably in the long run fall apart as an economic system. As is
China.
They do have one party rule, but not one person. Both the courts and
the
marketplace have some power.

If the person with power is not you, then it makes no difference how
many people it is. The idea of separation of powers is to have no group
with all the power. A group with all the power is a dictator, no matter
how many people it is.

Dictatorship does not imply one person.


--
-Reply in group, but if emailing add 2 more zeros-
-and remove the obvious-

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Product developer wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40872FF8.4C8E@armory.com>...
Product developer wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message news:<40865B8F.62B7@armory.com>...
Product developer wrote:

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word
to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him
and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further
supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife
are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code
of ethics.
--------------
There are liars, damned liars, and then you, you fucking liar.

Sorry you have so much pain in your heart.
-----------------
Nope, hate for evil.


I was shocked too. Not
really.
--------------
Eat shit and die.

You use this a lot in your immature, uninformed, and bizzare posts. Is
eating excrement and having an issue with male genitalia something you
picked up in prison or did you have a problem with potty training that
led to this severe disorder?
------------------------

Nope.

I also noticed that many of your posts in
other groups have to do with adolescent sex issues.
----------------------------

Nope, they are adult sex issues, yours must be adolescent.

In fact there
seems to be a sexual nature to many of your barbs. It's never too late
to get some help.
-------------------

You have a problem with sex? Then YOU get some.

If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower
ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was
brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed
all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or
wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society
was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to
generation on welfare.
-----------------
Rightist bigot hobbyhorse.

Right is right.
-------------------
Right is Wrong.


Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in
was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was
in charge of the U.S. Government and military.
--------------------
The first president with an IQ above 150 this century.

Hope you are not referencing the bogus "Lovenstein Institute report"
that turned out to be a fraudulant study used by liberal pinheads to
prop Bubba up.
You surely are not inferring this on his so called Rhodes Scholar
program from which he failed to regularly attend and eventually
dropped out.
-----------------------------------
None of what you said here is accurate.
However well-crafted your shit is.

The above is established and accepted fact but facts are like wolf
bane to libs and commies. You guys prefer to "feel" not think. Bill
dropped out of the program and was never a Rhodes Scholar but that
never kept the press from misrepresenting that fact.
---------------------------------------

Your useless propaganda. Irrelevant.

A man who loathed the
military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles
Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country
come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it
could put a guy like this in office?
----------------------------
More of your typical republican penis envy.

How do you associate your own problems with your little Willie with an
ignorant populace?
-------------------------
You're obviously the populace who's ignorant of my Willy.

Another sexual reference. Are you wearing a dress and pumps right now?
----------------------------

No, are you?

Actually Bill had Perones disease and his long
fellow, which from some victim accounts was actually quite small, had
a severe bend in it. Hardly a penis to envious of.
--------------------------
Peyronie isn't found with small penises, it only afflicts large ones.
Again you misspeak.

You at least looked up the word, but again you are short on facts.
There is no coorelation between this affliction and size. More wishful
thinking on your part.
-----------------------------

Yup, there sure is.

Your reference to the male part must be an internalization or you just
might be a typical liberal dick head.
-----------------------------
You're reaching, don't touch it.

I have a feeling you have to reach real far to touch it and that
explains all the sexual references in your posts.
----------------------------------

Your feeling is about yourself and YOUR past.

-Steve

Please pay the receptionist on the way out and take all your
medications.
--------------

Eat shit and die.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Chuck Harris wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:


Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John
---------
Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.

-Steve

Fortunately here in the US we have a constitutional republic rather
than a democracy.
-------------

Not for long! The "republic" notion was fitingly taken from ancient
Rome, where it represented the desire by the rich to stifle democracy
and rule IN PLACE of the people. "Res publica" to a rich Roman meant
"our public conspiracy", la cosa nostra/causa nostra, our organized
criminal endeavor.

Our founding fathers rightfully feared a "mobocracy".

-Chuck
--------------------

That's because they were just rich vicious thieving parasitic
enslaving human shit, like all feudalist/capitalists.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:30:30 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:


Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John
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Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.

-Steve

Despotism is the only outcome of Communism.

John
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Only if you rich shit mislabel the final triumph of equality and
fairness as unfair to you who imagine your proper station in life
would be to be rich parasites who enslave the rest of us.

-Steve
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[Bill]

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I don't agree with that. Russia is a good counter example - i.e.
Communism
will probably in the long run fall apart as an economic system. As is
China.
They do have one party rule, but not one person. Both the courts and
the
marketplace have some power.

If the person with power is not you, then it makes no difference how
many people it is.

This makes absolutely no sense. You are saying if I don't have all the power
it does not make any difference if I live in the USA or Cuba.

The idea of separation of powers is to have no group
with all the power. A group with all the power is a dictator, no matter
how many people it is.

That makes no sense either. Seperation of powers implies an entity should not
have all power - a set of entities would be OK. But it seems irrelevent to
this disscussion. As I've pointed out there are multiple forces in play in
China today including the marketplace. Also what does dictator have to do with
anything? The issue was despot. Try to keep up.

Dictatorship does not imply one person.

I'm not sure, but in any case despot does which was the subject.

Bill

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[R. Steve Walz]

Bill wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:30:30 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote:

Gosh Steve, I thought you were a Communist. What a
dissapointment to
find that you are merely a Democrat.

John
---------
Same thing. Communism is the ultimate outcome of Democracy.
-Steve

Despotism is the only outcome of Communism.
John

I don't agree with that. Russia is a good counter example - i.e.
Communism will probably in the long run fall apart as an economic > system. As is China.
They do have one party rule, but not one person. Both the courts
and the marketplace have some power.
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You're confused, neither Russia nor China is or ever was "communist".
Rich people even MORE dishonest and venal than the ones here stole
that name to fool the people and steal their labor. The most anti-
humane assault on democracy is the pretense that the government you
offer is democratic, while you enrich yourself from it inequitably
and without working.

BTW does it worry you that China now owns about $400 billion of our national
debt? (Because of the debt and the trade imbalance, they have the money to buy
our bonds.) Just by putting these on the market they could throw our economy
in to chaos - suddenly there are a massive amount of bonds on the market and
our interest rates go sky high. Thus they have a serious lever over us in any
negotiation.

Bill
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What are you worried about? These are just more rich people with power
over you, no more to be feared than other rich people you are willing
to allow to have power over you.

Neither Russia nor China were ever Communist. I know that it is the
pop version of truth that the rich have brainwashed you with that
they were, but they weren't, and ANY poli sci major can tell you
this.

The proper definition of Communism is that of a system where there
are NO privileged rich people, and in both Russia and China that
wasn't true, there were and are very rich people at the top running
it, which makes both of them merely varieties upon the same theme
we see in the USA, rich shit thieving and stealing from those who
labor in their place so they don't have to work, and who make less
than they should so that the rich can live large instead of the
laborer's families living just decently, having health insurance,
and having the full measure of what they have earned.

The Chinese party are the rich, and the Russian Politburo were as
well, they were finlly revealed AS the Russian Mafia who stole the
product of the People's labor at gunpoint and sold it wordwide and
stashed the wealth offshore , they were just more vicious thieving
lazy parasitic rich people who had hijacked the label of communist
for their feudal theivery, to fool everyone.

And in this country you have been bamboozled into believing that
this Inequity all somehow occurs fairly, rental of housing, mortgage
buying, speculation and the amassing of fortunes without working,
but the renting and buying is of property that rightfully belonged
from the beginning to those laborers as their fair share of human
inheritance which they should have by their birthright, as equal
inheritors of their planet, none worth more by mere birth than any
other, NO more inherited positions of birth and NO Nobilities!

Then ALSO make it illegal for anyone to talk another out of their
birthright, make it impossible to cheat the immature, ignorant or
the disadvantaged of their same birthright, guarantee them an equal
residence that they can have for their whole life, unfettered, and
the ability to earn with their hour of labor that is the same as
every other human, give them their equal democratic control over
the rest of our inherited planet earth and THEN things will be fair.

ANYTHING else, ANY other supposed "system", is merely, one more time,
the strong stealing from and enslaving the weak, and it is against
God and against Man, and everyone with an intact conscience should
oppose it by the very direst Violence!

-Steve
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