OT: Al Franken

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:19:02 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

If you believe you're right, then enforce it brutally, and if you
don't, then nobody should bother to care what you think.

Then all that matters is power. Do you have any?

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:14:36 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:19:02 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:



If you believe you're right, then enforce it brutally, and if you
don't, then nobody should bother to care what you think.


Then all that matters is power. Do you have any?

John

Of course not. Why do you think he rants so? Steve is totally
impotent. ROTFLMAO!

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Product developer]

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8S8jc.41708$Rz3.2999@fed1read05>...

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

I guess this explains why it takes walls, razor wire, and tanks to
keep the populace caged long enough to acheive "perfection".

This would make a great comedy sketch. A man yelling through a crack
in the wall "I think I am feeling rather perfect now. Can I be free
now?! Hello?! Anyone out there?! I said I am feeling perfect!"

If we all lived under this faulty thinking we would all be still
riding beasts of burden or at least those who reached perfection.

 

[Tim Auton]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:

Tim Auton wrote:
[RSW, uh "politics"]
I've looked about a bit and I suspect you may be right. From what he
wrote I assumed he must have been taking the piss.

"taking the piss", hmmm, never have been sure what that phrase means.

Taking the mickey; making a joke at somebody's expense.


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On 26 Apr 2004 11:57:49 -0700, the renowned jdurban@vorel.com (Product
developer) wrote:

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8S8jc.41708$Rz3.2999@fed1read05>...
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

I guess this explains why it takes walls, razor wire, and tanks to
keep the populace caged long enough to acheive "perfection".

This would make a great comedy sketch. A man yelling through a crack
in the wall "I think I am feeling rather perfect now. Can I be free
now?! Hello?! Anyone out there?! I said I am feeling perfect!"

If we all lived under this faulty thinking we would all be still
riding beasts of burden or at least those who reached perfection.

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Communism is just the opposite.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Tim Auton]

bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:
[taking the piss]

"Taking the piss" is an English locution. John Woodgate would probably
be a more reliable source than I am, but IIRR it means feeding someone
an implausible story which the victim will find believable because it
is a story that they want to believe, or because their critical
faculties aren't up to much.

An accurate definition, but only a subset. It's used more generally to
mean making fun of someone, so you can take the piss out of someone by
making fun of their silly shoes as well as by telling them a fantastic
story as you describe.

This site has a theory on the origin of the phrase. I don't know how
accurate it is, but it seems plausible enough to me.

http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-tak2.htm


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:17:19 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

[snip]

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Communism is just the opposite.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

ROFL ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Guillaume wrote:

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

"brutal enforcement of the right laws" ?

It's extremely dangerous.
------------

You merely saying that doesn't make it so. Moron.

Don't you even feel some obligation to somehow try to SHOW what
you blatheringly assert??

Who is to say what is right and what is
wrong, to begin with?
-------------

When people attack our lives, or try to limit our lives, we have
the right to fight back and kill them to prevent them doing it
ever again. That's true regarding 9/11, or about vicious female child
clitoridectomy or the other Muslim or Catholic or Baptist
abuses and oppression of children and women. We have the right
to rescue the enslaved and abused by any means necessary.


And what do you mean by "brutal enforcement" ?
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Immediate execution of those who intentionally offend.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.
---------------

If you have to fear it, then you deserve to fear it,
because you've enlisted in the ranks of Evil Doers.

-Steve
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[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:14:52 +0100, the renowned Tim Auton
<tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY]> wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
Tim Auton wrote:
[RSW, uh "politics"]
I've looked about a bit and I suspect you may be right. From what he
wrote I assumed he must have been taking the piss.

"taking the piss", hmmm, never have been sure what that phrase means.

Taking the mickey; making a joke at somebody's expense.

Do you know if that is mickey as in the small flask-shaped bottles of
liquor, mickey as in the trademarked rodent or something else
entirely?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Product developer wrote:

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8S8jc.41708$Rz3.2999@fed1read05>...
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

I guess this explains why it takes walls, razor wire, and tanks to
keep the populace caged long enough to acheive "perfection".
--------------------------

Nonsense, neither Russia or China or the Eastern Block were "communist",
they were varieties of Fascist Industrial Feudalism,
just like Capitalism, which is a crypto-Feudalism. The people who
used tanks and razor wire were the rich Politburo and "Party"
families who sold everything the People made abroad and banked
the money in offshore banks with numbered accounts, and who are
now the Russian Mafia!!! The only reason they CALLED it "communism"
is to fool the People because that was once a popular cause and
they needed to deceive them to keep them oppressed, the same as
the shit-vicious rich do here pretending you all are "free"!!

This would make a great comedy sketch. A man yelling through a crack
in the wall "I think I am feeling rather perfect now. Can I be free
now?! Hello?! Anyone out there?! I said I am feeling perfect!"

If we all lived under this faulty thinking we would all be still
riding beasts of burden or at least those who reached perfection.
--------------

Strawman! Russia was NEVER "communist"!! It was a game the rich ran
to get richer, just like this one, they simply lied a pleasing lie,
just like the rich do here.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Communism is just the opposite.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
-------------

Good gag, but wrong.

Under Communism NO one is exploited. Each works for their own security
for their whole life, and nobody pays monthly tribute to the rich shit,
who falsely claims to own their house, just to get out of the cold and
the rain, just so the rich can take their 5th vacation or ski trip this
year!!

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:22:13 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

Communism is infinitely optimistic, and engages in best-case
design. I wouldn't want to drive over a bridge designed on
best-case assumptions.

...or designed by someone who thought that someone else should
be responsible for his work.

Keith
-----------------
Nonsense, calling Communists "optimistic" is like calling Nazis
"laid-back".

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.


Exactly. You make best-case assumptions about the enforcers.
John
----------------

The laws I favor are no different in nature or quality than the
laws now, and the ones we have now aren't subject to your lame criticism
here, and so neither are those that I favor.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:19:02 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

If you believe you're right, then enforce it brutally, and if you
don't, then nobody should bother to care what you think.

Then all that matters is power.
--------------------

Nope. You could make that phony assertion about ANY authority.

All authority must wield power that criminals won't like. But
if you wish to see a better authority succeed, then accept
NOTHING else but THAT authority's absolute power. So it's
a matter of YOU making the judgement of what is TRULY RIGHT!

Power alone has no idea which way to go or what to do.
So your assertion is merely a stupid connivance to disinform.

Do you have any?

John
------------

Irrelevant. Meaningless Disingenuity.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Jim Thompson wrote:

Of course not. Why do you think he rants so? Steve is totally
impotent. ROTFLMAO!
...Jim Thompson
--------------

Gee, it worked okay this morning!

-Steve
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[John Larkin]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:31:41 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.
---------------
If you have to fear it, then you deserve to fear it,
because you've enlisted in the ranks of Evil Doers.

-Steve

Ooh, one of those guys in black capes. I want one!

John

 

[Seth Koster]

Tim, I certainly understand how you might have thought he was being
sarcastic, and I take no offense at your assumption that my abilities
to detect sarcasm were suspect at best. I do assure you, however,
that I have waded through enough of Steve's posts to be pretty sure
that he is, to put it quite bluntly, a raving lunatic. I honestly
think some psychological help might be in order. I don't joke around
about these things, as when I was young a close friend took his own
life in a situation where I believe counseling might have helped.
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And it has given you the life-long delusion that you can detect why
in people and prevent it. Go back to school, boy.

No, it merely gave me the impetus to suggest possible courses of
action to those I feel might be in need. You, Steve, are in need,
IMO. I gave no indication that I thought I could prevent suicide,
which is why I recommended professional help. Thank you for your
interest in my further education.

In
Steve's case I fear that the life or lives taken may not be his.
----------------
Given the political chance, sure. But don't worry, it would have
good result.

I don't argue what results are good with insane people, as insane
people are not working from a reasonable perception of reality. I do
worry, though, about what happens when insane people act on those
perceptions.

I am curious as to what 'taking the piss' means and refers to.
I assume it has to do with being sarcastic, considering the
context, but I have absolutely no idea how or why.
-----------------
As I understand it from a short Google, it seems to be not taking
someone seriously.

As you are quite mad, I think I'll look at other posters responses
for answers, but I appreciate the effort.

 

[Seth Koster]

"Taking the piss" is an English locution. John Woodgate would probably
be a more reliable source than I am, but IIRR it means feeding someone
an implausible story which the victim will find believable because it
is a story that they want to believe, or because their critical
faculties aren't up to much.

------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Thanks for the education, Bill.

 

[Seth Koster]

None of this is an attack or meant in jest, I really think you might
find some use from either an intensive psycho-therapy regimen or a
voluntary commitment.
-----------------
You're a idiot and a moron. Do you expect to defeat ALL your political
opponents by convincing them they're insane? If so you should just
give up now, as you're not very good at it.

I have no interest in defeating you, and I certainly don't consider
you a political opponent of mine. I consider you a poor deluded
sociopath who might need some help. As to your arguments, I am not
interested in debating an insane person because it is quite pointless.
Now that I have become aware of your madness, I will refrain from
responding to your posts. I have said what I think you needed to
hear, and I do not feel further restatement would be useful.

 

[KR Williams]

In article <408C8F33.6D@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com says...

KR Williams wrote:

In article <cg1o80tntkea2hovojk1rku6pduvfgdfa4@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com says...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:02:36 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:


I think the anarchists expect people to be civilized,

And use bombs to prove it.

Communism is infinitely optimistic, and engages in best-case design. I
wouldn't want to drive over a bridge designed on best-case
assumptions.

...or designed by someone who thought that someone else should be
responsible for his work.

--
Keith
-----------------
Nonsense, calling Communists "optimistic" is like calling Nazis
"laid-back".

You're right, Steevie. Nazis were laid-back compared to
communists. It is "optimistic" to assume either tyrant cares
about the individual, however.

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

You perfect ones can find your own planet, thanks. Us imperfect
humans will have to get along trading (grody capitalists that we
all are) amongst each other. ..works for us, and since we'll
work our asses off to better ourselves, you're the *one* who will
be asked to leave!

--
Keith