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On Mon, 26 Jun 23 15:45:02 UTC, charles wrote:
I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when driving
at motorway speeds.
Automotive engineers have been working for years to get the Cd down and
people mount barn doors on the roof. I\'m partial to hatchbacks and I have
a Montague Paratrooper. The bike folds nicely and goes into the car. No
roof racks, no rack hung off the stern which may be almost as bad
aerodynamically.
https://www.montaguebikes.com/product/paratrooper/
When I was a kid we had a 12\' boat and a detachable roof rack to carry it.
For flexibility the metal cross pieces had a number of keyhole shaped
slots to toggle in a tie down point. At speed over 50 mph the whole mess
screamed like a banshee.
I do have a kayak. It\'s inflatable and it goes into the car too.
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 02:26:57 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 23 15:45:02 UTC, charles wrote:
I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when
driving at motorway speeds.
Automotive engineers have been working for years to get the Cd down and
people mount barn doors on the roof. I\'m partial to hatchbacks and I
have a Montague Paratrooper. The bike folds nicely and goes into the
car. No roof racks, no rack hung off the stern which may be almost as
bad aerodynamically.
https://www.montaguebikes.com/product/paratrooper/
When I was a kid we had a 12\' boat and a detachable roof rack to carry
it.
For flexibility the metal cross pieces had a number of keyhole shaped
slots to toggle in a tie down point. At speed over 50 mph the whole
mess screamed like a banshee.
I do have a kayak. It\'s inflatable and it goes into the car too.
Inflatable? That\'s a kid\'s toy. I have solid ones, one of them sliced
a deer in half when he ran in front of me. I was only doing 90mph.
time I checked, anything up to 55mph in an auto was identical, then itMPG is displayed on the dash on any car from about 1988 onwards. Last
so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.
I would fit a secondary tank.
I would not go into a garage and say \"the motor in my car has seized\" if
it was a petrol engine. Only an American would confuse the two.
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:23:45 +0100, SteveW wrote:
Citroens were different. They did not use conventional brakes with power
assistance, but used power brakes, with no direct operation. From a
description of how they worked, \"essentially, the brake pedal is in fact
a valve which allows high-pressure hydraulic fluid into the callipers
and forces the pads against the disc\". So no stored hydraulic pressure =
no brakes.
That\'s for sure. I looked at a DS back in the day. Fascinating car but my
mind kept tabulating the things that could possibly go wrong.
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 02:06:36 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I would not go into a garage and say \"the motor in my car has seized\" if
it was a petrol engine. Only an American would confuse the two.
You wouldn\'t be in that situation unless it was a British built petrol
engine. Come to think of it, are there any British owned car manufacturers
any more or just German and Indian firms using British labor?
https://www.advancedelements.com/shop/inflatable-kayaks/recreational-inflatable-kayaks/day-touring-inflatable-kayaks-inflatable-kayak-ae1017/
Works for me. If I wanted to deal with a rigid boat I\'d go for a stripper canoe or a rowing dinghy.
You wouldn\'t be in that situation unless it was a British built petrol
engine. Come to think of it, are there any British owned car manufacturers
any more or just German and Indian firms using British labor?
My British designed and assembled Landrover Freelander used a gearbox
from Japan, a German BMW engine, electronics from Korea, and the parent
company is TATA from India..
On 06/07/2023 05:17, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 02:06:36 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Group
Only in the USA is it possible to get a car that is mostly manufactured
there...with parts from the USA, Canada, Mexico, China, Japan...
That is the reality of globalisation.
The reality is that Britain is a small market, and its not worth manufacturing for mass production here any more because of Leftist legislation.
Instead what manufacturing we do is highly specialised and very expensive - stuff like jet engines, precisions pumps for pumping gas for
undersea wells, high tech lab equipment, earth moving equipment and so on.
There are some *specialist* car manufacturers - Morgan, McLaren, TVR, Ginetta, and of course Ricardo plc is at least headquartered in the UK, and is behind many vehicle designs all over the world.
Turning out mass produced consumer shit is something we leave to the USA and China.
It\'s produced here, but it\'s owners are IIRC far east. Malaysia?On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:08:49 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
My British designed and assembled Landrover Freelander used a gearbox
from Japan, a German BMW engine, electronics from Korea, and the parent
company is TATA from India..
After arising from the dead, Triumph was promising but today some, if not
all, models are referred to a Thairumps. I can\'t say much; my \'98 Harley
won\'t go too far if I took the Japanese parts off. Of course all the bling
in the store is Chinese.
Is Lotus still produced in Britain or did Geely drag manufacturing home?
On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 19:41:58 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 25/06/2023 11:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I like the smell of exhaust fumes. I also love the diesel fumes smell
in train stations.
I don\'t like that, but I used to love the smell of steam engines. I can
still remember the smell (inasmuch as it is possible to remember smells).
Smells are the easiest things to remember, and the most likely to invoke
a fond memory. I think swimming pool as soon as I use chlorine bleach.
On 06/07/2023 05:17, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 02:06:36 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I would not go into a garage and say \"the motor in my car has seized\"
if
it was a petrol engine. Only an American would confuse the two.
You wouldn\'t be in that situation unless it was a British built petrol
engine. Come to think of it, are there any British owned car
manufacturers
any more or just German and Indian firms using British labor?
Ownership is today fairly irrelevant.
My British designed and assembled Landrover Freelander used a gearbox
from Japan, a German BMW engine, electronics from Korea, and the parent
company is TATA from India..
My current jaguar is similarly diverse...the engine is an adapted unit
from PSA...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Group
Only in the USA is it possible to get a car that is mostly manufactured
there...with parts from the USA, Canada, Mexico, China, Japan...
That is the reality of globalisation.
The reality is that Britain is a small market, and its not worth
manufacturing for mass production here any more because of Leftist
legislation.
Instead what manufacturing we do is highly specialised and very
expensive - stuff like jet engines, precisions pumps for pumping gas for
undersea wells, high tech lab equipment, earth moving equipment and so
on.
There are some *specialist* car manufacturers - Morgan, McLaren, TVR,
Ginetta, and of course Ricardo plc is at least headquartered in the UK,
and is behind many vehicle designs all over the world.
Turning out mass produced consumer shit is something we leave to the USA
and China
On 06/07/2023 01:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 19:41:58 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 25/06/2023 11:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I like the smell of exhaust fumes. I also love the diesel fumes smell
in train stations.
I don\'t like that, but I used to love the smell of steam engines. I can
still remember the smell (inasmuch as it is possible to remember
smells).
Smells are the easiest things to remember, and the most likely to
invoke a fond memory. I think swimming pool as soon as I use chlorine
bleach.
Let\'s say that I don\'t have a \"mind\'s nose\", i.e. I can\'t conjure up the
smell. (Actually about 2 or 3 percent of people don\'t have a \"mind\'s
eye\"; they can\'t actually visualise memories. I think I may be one of
the 2 or 3 percent.)
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:24:23 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
MPG is displayed on the dash on any car from about 1988 onwards. Last
time I checked, anything up to 55mph in an auto was identical, then it
dropped off quickly. Lower speeds in towns are not less efficient like
the myth tells us.
My current 2018 Toyota is the first car I\'ve owned that displayed MPG.
Even then it\'s a function it the odometer display that you can scroll to
with the button and not very convenient. Neither the 2007 or 2011 versions
of the model had it, nor did the 2000 Metro (rebranded Suzuki)
so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.
I would fit a secondary tank.
I did put an aftermarket tank on the DR650. There are places I go on the
MT/ID divide where I\'d hit the point of no return and would have to
continue on to a town in Idaho to refuel.
The Toyota gets about 300 miles on a tank but there are places where you
can either stop with a little more than a quarter tank or trust your luck
to make it to the next town. For example it\'s 93 miles from Dillon Montana
to Dubois Idaho. Feeling lucky?
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:25:23 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 02:26:57 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 23 15:45:02 UTC, charles wrote:
I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when
driving at motorway speeds.
Automotive engineers have been working for years to get the Cd down and
people mount barn doors on the roof. I\'m partial to hatchbacks and I
have a Montague Paratrooper. The bike folds nicely and goes into the
car. No roof racks, no rack hung off the stern which may be almost as
bad aerodynamically.
https://www.montaguebikes.com/product/paratrooper/
When I was a kid we had a 12\' boat and a detachable roof rack to carry
it.
For flexibility the metal cross pieces had a number of keyhole shaped
slots to toggle in a tie down point. At speed over 50 mph the whole
mess screamed like a banshee.
I do have a kayak. It\'s inflatable and it goes into the car too.
Inflatable? That\'s a kid\'s toy. I have solid ones, one of them sliced
a deer in half when he ran in front of me. I was only doing 90mph.
https://www.advancedelements.com/shop/inflatable-kayaks/recreational-inflatable-kayaks/day-touring-inflatable-kayaks-inflatable-kayak-ae1017/
Works for me. If I wanted to deal with a rigid boat I\'d go for a stripper canoe or a rowing dinghy.
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:24:23 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
MPG is displayed on the dash on any car from about 1988 onwards. Last
time I checked, anything up to 55mph in an auto was identical, then it
dropped off quickly. Lower speeds in towns are not less efficient like
the myth tells us.
My current 2018 Toyota is the first car I\'ve owned that displayed MPG.
Even then it\'s a function it the odometer display that you can scroll to
with the button and not very convenient. Neither the 2007 or 2011 versions
of the model had it, nor did the 2000 Metro (rebranded Suzuki)
so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.
I would fit a secondary tank.
I did put an aftermarket tank on the DR650. There are places I go on the
MT/ID divide where I\'d hit the point of no return and would have to
continue on to a town in Idaho to refuel.
The Toyota gets about 300 miles on a tank but there are places where you
can either stop with a little more than a quarter tank or trust your luck
to make it to the next town. For example it\'s 93 miles from Dillon Montana
to Dubois Idaho. Feeling lucky?
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:24:23 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
MPG is displayed on the dash on any car from about 1988 onwards. Last
time I checked, anything up to 55mph in an auto was identical, then it
dropped off quickly. Lower speeds in towns are not less efficient like
the myth tells us.
My current 2018 Toyota is the first car I\'ve owned that displayed MPG.
Even then it\'s a function it the odometer display that you can scroll to
with the button and not very convenient. Neither the 2007 or 2011 versions
of the model had it, nor did the 2000 Metro (rebranded Suzuki)
so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.
I would fit a secondary tank.
I did put an aftermarket tank on the DR650. There are places I go on the
MT/ID divide where I\'d hit the point of no return and would have to
continue on to a town in Idaho to refuel.
The Toyota gets about 300 miles on a tank but there are places where you
can either stop with a little more than a quarter tank or trust your luck
to make it to the next town. For example it\'s 93 miles from Dillon Montana
to Dubois Idaho. Feeling lucky?
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 04:25:23 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 02:26:57 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 23 15:45:02 UTC, charles wrote:
I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when
driving at motorway speeds.
Automotive engineers have been working for years to get the Cd down and
people mount barn doors on the roof. I\'m partial to hatchbacks and I
have a Montague Paratrooper. The bike folds nicely and goes into the
car. No roof racks, no rack hung off the stern which may be almost as
bad aerodynamically.
https://www.montaguebikes.com/product/paratrooper/
When I was a kid we had a 12\' boat and a detachable roof rack to carry
it.
For flexibility the metal cross pieces had a number of keyhole shaped
slots to toggle in a tie down point. At speed over 50 mph the whole
mess screamed like a banshee.
I do have a kayak. It\'s inflatable and it goes into the car too.
Inflatable? That\'s a kid\'s toy. I have solid ones, one of them sliced
a deer in half when he ran in front of me. I was only doing 90mph.
https://www.advancedelements.com/shop/inflatable-kayaks/recreational-inflatable-kayaks/day-touring-inflatable-kayaks-inflatable-kayak-ae1017/
Works for me. If I wanted to deal with a rigid boat I\'d go for a stripper canoe or a rowing dinghy.