Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Max Demian]

On 25/06/2023 11:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 09:59:56 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.153ltwommvhs6z@ryzen.home...

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine off
for a minute.

I think the energy saving (or lack of it!) is not the only reason for
using
start/stop. It also saves cars sitting in queues of traffic (eg at
lights)
with their engines giving out exhaust fumes while the engine is
idling. So
it\'s partly an anti-pollution thing.

I like the smell of exhaust fumes.  I also love the diesel fumes smell
in train stations.

I don\'t like that, but I used to love the smell of steam engines. I can
still remember the smell (inasmuch as it is possible to remember smells).

--
Max Demian

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:41:33 +0100, Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com
wrote:

On 2023-06-06, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/6/2023 1:59 AM, NY wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.153ltwommvhs6z@ryzen.home...

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

I think the energy saving (or lack of it!) is not the only reason for
using start/stop. It also saves cars sitting in queues of traffic (eg at
lights) with their engines giving out exhaust fumes while the engine is
idling. So it\'s partly an anti-pollution thing.

I wonder how long the engine has to be turned off and then restarted,
for it to produce less exhaust / use less fuel than leaving the engine
idling. Bearing in mind the energy used by the battery to restart the
engine, and the fuel needed to replace this energy in the battery.

Watch your average mpg reading while idling at a light shortly after a
refill/reset. Turning off the engine at longer stops clearly makes a
difference.

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any
cool features like that.

That might depend on the trim level. My 2002 Highlander Limited had
average mpg, miles to empty, etc.

My Renault Scenic 2002 has it, and it\'s wildly inaccurate. With a full tank it says it\'ll do 400 miles. I get about 250. Mind you the guage is also weird, the bottom half goes quicker than the top half.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:42:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine for
fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling through the
odometer items.

You bought a piece of equipment just to see mpg?!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 22:57:08 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 21:42, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine for
fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling through the
odometer items.

I did have it in the instantaneous mpg mode one time and was amused to see
the mpg go to 99.99 when I got off the gas going into a curve.

Yes, my Peugeot 308\'s instantaneous mpg goes to 999 mpg (as if!)

Why do you write \"as if\"? Clearly you use no fuel if you\'re engine braking, everyone knows that., therefore you can travel infinity miles.

when I
lift off the power. But it only does this while I\'m moving *in gear*. If
I press the clutch (as a test) while I\'m moving, the mpg goes to about
150 mpg, presumably because a little bit of fuel is needed to keep the
engine idling when it is not being turned by the wheels, whereas if the
wheels keep the engine turning, the fuel can be cut off *completely*.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:29:24 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 12:31, devnull wrote:
On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you


The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

That depends upon the starter design. A couple of decades ago,
Volkswagen (IIRC), were developing a combined alternator/starter that
used the teeth of the flywheel and a toothed ring in the bell-housing.
Windings and electronics controlled the magnetic fields, so the two
toothed rings could act as either starter or alternator, with no
mechanical connection at all and therefore zero wear. I don\'t know if
any cars use similar systems.

My 1998 VW didn\'t have that. And the alternator wore out anyway.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine
off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

 

[Andrew]

On 11/06/2023 14:14, Fredxx wrote:

On 01/06/2023 07:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/06/2023 03:45, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 00:52:36 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

What happens behind you is not your problem.

It fucking well is if they\'re going to ram you at 60 mph.

For once I can agree with you.
Giving lessons to tailgaters with the handbrake was a favourite trick.
Only let it off when the smoking tyres in the mirror were a foot from
your rear  bumper.

The highway code says you should allow those travelling faster than you
to pass.

These days with dash-cams, it you were hit behind in those circumstances
the car behind would have a valid claim if your brake-lights didn\'t
illuminate.

If they were working and the likely reason for slowing was the handbrake
then you could attract a charge of dangerous driving.

Or be prosecuted for instigating a crash-for-cash incident which
would make your future insurance costs significant.

Either way, not a smart move.

 

[charles]

In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/06/2023 11:00, charles wrote:

In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

Its the old motor versus engine debate. Its all bollocks. electric or IC
they are both engines and both motors. A \'motor\' is an \'engine\' used for
propulsion, that\'s all. An \'engine\' is merely a \'complex design\'.

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-06-26, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

https://www.kia.com/dm/discover-kia/ask/is-an-engine-a-motor.html

\"People use both interchangeably, but the difference is that motors run
on electricity and engines run on combustion. The engine converts
various forms of fuels into mechanical force, while the motor transforms
electrical energy into mechanical energy.”

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/06/2023 13:24, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-06-26, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

https://www.kia.com/dm/discover-kia/ask/is-an-engine-a-motor.html

\"People use both interchangeably, but the difference is that motors run
on electricity and engines run on combustion. The engine converts
various forms of fuels into mechanical force, while the motor transforms
electrical energy into mechanical energy.”

Total bollocks. What does a siege engine run on? Kia are not native
English speakers and no ArtStudent making a car company website knows
anything aboyut eithert engineering, which is more that designing
engines for cars - or the Engllsh slangauge

Engine comes from \'ingenuity\' motor comes from \'motion\'.

An engine, or engyne, is a complex (mechanical) device no more and no
less. These days it might also be software - \'database engine\' etc etc.
Engineering is the art and science of devising complex systems to
achieve certain tasks.

A motor is a device that imparts motion. Like a gas turbine in a
loco*motive*, or a diesel engine.


--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy

 

[Bob F]

On 6/26/2023 3:00 AM, charles wrote:

In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Then, why are there hydraulic motors?

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:31:37 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Tell that to my motorcycles, or motorbikes in your parlance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend

All these years it should have been called \'Engine Trend\'?

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:27:54 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:42:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine
for fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling
through the odometer items.

You bought a piece of equipment just to see mpg?!

https://www.scangauge.com/products/scangauge-ii/

And a few other things. Real time mpg was the most useful as an everyday
function. The mileage falls off rapidly at 80+ mph so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.

 

[charles]

In article <kfto6bFauq6U3@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:27:54 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:42:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine
for fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling
through the odometer items.

You bought a piece of equipment just to see mpg?!

https://www.scangauge.com/products/scangauge-ii/

And a few other things. Real time mpg was the most useful as an everyday
function. The mileage falls off rapidly at 80+ mph so knowing your
current burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas
stations behind every bush.

I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when driving at
motorway speeds.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[Peeler]

On 26 Jun 2023 15:12:11 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

https://www.scangauge.com/products/scangauge-ii/

And a few other things. Real time mpg was the most useful as an everyday
function. The mileage falls off rapidly at 80+ mph so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.

But you have a big mouth at every kilometer! LOL

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On 26 Jun 2023 14:57:20 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Tell that to my motorcycles, or motorbikes in your parlance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend

All these years it should have been called \'Engine Trend\'?

Good grief! Is this still that idiotic \"EV charger\" thread started by the
clinically insane Scottish attention whore, you troll-feeding senile
ASSHOLE?

--
More of the resident bigmouth\'s absolutely idiotic babble and gossip:
I\'m not saying my father and uncle wouldn\'t have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn\'t hurt. Stanton\'s was the
hometown brewery but it closed in \'50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

MID: <k9mnmmF9emhU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[JNugent]

On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an
Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references an
electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

 

[SteveW]

On 26/06/2023 15:06, Bob F wrote:

On 6/26/2023 3:00 AM, charles wrote:
In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Then, why are there hydraulic motors?

and air motors.

 

[Max Demian]

On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:

On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an
Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references an
electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

Hello John got a new motor?

--
Max Demian