Only one EV charger at home?!...

[charles]

In article <kftviuFc8gbU1@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an
Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references an
electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

But the driving of vehicles is called \"motoring\" not \"engining\".

My (1960) Chambers Dictionary says \"a machine whereby some source of energy
is used to give motion .. esp an internal combustion engine or a machine
for converting electrical into mechanical energy\"



> There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
\"I\'d rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom\" Thomas Carlyle

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:

On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an
Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references an
electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

That is simply not true.
There are rubber motors, clockwork motors...Motor has never referred
specifically to *anything*. Any more than \'engine\' ever has.
Steam engines, siege engines, database engines...The Ford TriMotor had 3
Wright radial *engines*..

There is simply no case in which one can reliably say that there is no
such thing as an electric engine, or a diesel motor.


> There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

It simply *isn\'t* so.


--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

 

[JNugent]

On 26/06/2023 06:00 pm, charles wrote:

In article <kftviuFc8gbU1@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an
Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references an
electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

But the driving of vehicles is called \"motoring\" not \"engining\".

I didn\'t say it was logical. It\'s simply a matter of accepted usage.
English, and especially British English, is full of such idiosyncracies.

My (1960) Chambers Dictionary says \"a machine whereby some source of energy
is used to give motion .. esp an internal combustion engine or a machine
for converting electrical into mechanical energy\"

*Usage*.

\"My car won\'t start; can you get its motor running again?\", said no
British motorist to any AA or RAC patrolman, ever.

As I said:


>> There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

 

[JNugent]

On 26/06/2023 06:41 pm, Max Demian wrote:

On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is
an Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references
an electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

Hello John got a new motor?

That\'s the whole vehicle.

Had he been enquiring about having a \"recon\" engine fitted, the line
would have had to be \"Hello, John, had a new engine?\".

 

[JNugent]

On 26/06/2023 07:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is
an Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references
an electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

That is simply not true.
There are rubber motors, clockwork motors...Motor has never referred
specifically to *anything*.  Any more than \'engine\' ever has.
Steam engines, siege engines, database engines...The Ford TriMotor had 3
Wright radial *engines*..

There is simply no case in which one can reliably say that there is no
such thing as an electric engine, or a diesel motor.


There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

It simply *isn\'t* so.

I am talking about English as She is Spoken in the UK in the
twenty-first century (and probably for about a hundred years when
related to this specific topic).

I\'m not totally sure what you are talking about, but it is certainly not
English usage.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/06/2023 20:45, JNugent wrote:

On 26/06/2023 06:41 pm, Max Demian wrote:

On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is
an Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references
an electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

Hello John got a new motor?

That\'s the whole vehicle.

Had he been enquiring about having a \"recon\" engine fitted, the line
would have had to be \"Hello, John, had a new engine?\".
Not always

--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that \"other\" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 26/06/2023 20:47, JNugent wrote:

On 26/06/2023 07:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is
an Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references
an electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

That is simply not true.
There are rubber motors, clockwork motors...Motor has never referred
specifically to *anything*.  Any more than \'engine\' ever has.
Steam engines, siege engines, database engines...The Ford TriMotor had
3 Wright radial *engines*..

There is simply no case in which one can reliably say that there is no
such thing as an electric engine, or a diesel motor.


There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

It simply *isn\'t* so.

I am talking about English as She is Spoken in the UK in the
twenty-first century (and probably for about a hundred years when
related to this specific topic).

I\'m not totally sure what you are talking about, but it is certainly not
English usage.
It is, but of a wider experience than you.

--
\"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it.\"

- Stephen Vizinczey

 

[Greta Thunburg]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-06-26, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.
The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you
The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.
The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.
Idiot, all motors are electric.
Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.
https://www.kia.com/dm/discover-kia/ask/is-an-engine-a-motor.html

\"People use both interchangeably, but the difference is that motors run
on electricity and engines run on combustion. The engine converts
various forms of fuels into mechanical force, while the motor transforms
electrical energy into mechanical energy.”

Toyota Motor Corporation
Ford Motor Company
General Motors

 

[Pepe Ron Cini]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 26/06/2023 20:47, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2023 07:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/06/2023 18:18, JNugent wrote:
On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an Americanism. In British English, the word almost always references an electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

That is simply not true.
There are rubber motors, clockwork motors...Motor has never referred specifically to *anything*.  Any more than \'engine\' ever has.
Steam engines, siege engines, database engines...The Ford TriMotor had 3 Wright radial *engines*..

There is simply no case in which one can reliably say that there is no such thing as an electric engine, or a diesel motor.


There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

It simply *isn\'t* so.

I am talking about English as She is Spoken in the UK in the twenty-first century (and probably for about a hundred years when related to this specific topic).

I\'m not totally sure what you are talking about, but it is certainly not English usage.
It is, but of a wider experience than you.

And then there\'s \'motorboatin\'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkzkmyOln6I

 

[rbowman]

On Mon, 26 Jun 23 15:45:02 UTC, charles wrote:

I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when driving
at motorway speeds.

Automotive engineers have been working for years to get the Cd down and
people mount barn doors on the roof. I\'m partial to hatchbacks and I have
a Montague Paratrooper. The bike folds nicely and goes into the car. No
roof racks, no rack hung off the stern which may be almost as bad
aerodynamically.

https://www.montaguebikes.com/product/paratrooper/

When I was a kid we had a 12\' boat and a detachable roof rack to carry it.
For flexibility the metal cross pieces had a number of keyhole shaped
slots to toggle in a tie down point. At speed over 50 mph the whole mess
screamed like a banshee.

I do have a kayak. It\'s inflatable and it goes into the car too.

 

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/26/2023 8:26 PM, Greta Thunburg wrote:

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-06-26, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.
The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you
The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.
The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.
Idiot, all motors are electric.
Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.
https://www.kia.com/dm/discover-kia/ask/is-an-engine-a-motor.html

\"People use both interchangeably, but the difference is that motors run
on electricity and engines run on combustion. The engine converts
various forms of fuels into mechanical force, while the motor transforms
electrical energy into mechanical energy.”


Toyota Motor Corporation
Ford Motor Company
General Motors

The root of “motor” is the Latin movere, which means “to move,” which is
a pretty literal definition of what a “motor” does.

Automobiles move people, it motors them along.

 

[Peeler]

On 27 Jun 2023 01:26:57 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Automotive engineers have been working for years to get the Cd down and
people mount barn doors on the roof. I\'m partial to hatchbacks and I have
a Montague Paratrooper.

Yes, that was the most important info: what you are partial to. <BG>

https://www.montaguebikes.com/product/paratrooper/

When I was a kid we

And now comes the REAL important stuff: MORE info about your gorgeous
personality, you self-admiring pathological chatterbox. LOL

--
Another one of the resident senile bigmouth\'s idiotic \"cool\" lines:
\"If you\'re an ax murderer don\'t leave souvenir photos on your phone.\"
\"MID: <k7ssc7F8mt9U3@mid.individual.net>\"

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2023-06-26, JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

On 26/06/2023 10:00 am, charles wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair> wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
me wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Funny, I thought they were all \"motor cars\" whatever the engine type.

\"Motor\", referring specifically to an internal combustion engine, is an
Americanism.

It\'s not even a thing. I\'m fairly sure they don\'t use motor to
specifically mean combustion engines. there are many other types of
motors.

In British English, the word almost always references an
electric motor. Note that you never hear \"electric engine\".

Why bring up \"engine\" when trying to define \"motor\"?
Are logiocal fallacies all you have to defend your argument with?

> There\'s no over-riding reason why this should be so. It just *is* so.

What is so, try to explain it clearly this time.

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

 

[Sam E]

[snip]

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Then, why are there hydraulic motors?

and air motors.

That reminds me of underwater chainsaws, that use air motors.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:22:48 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

On 26/06/2023 15:06, Bob F wrote:
On 6/26/2023 3:00 AM, charles wrote:
In article <op.1640mzrcmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual  kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Then, why are there hydraulic motors?

and air motors.

And rocket motors. And protein motors, some of which spin at 100,000
RPM.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 19:41:58 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 25/06/2023 11:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 09:59:56 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.153ltwommvhs6z@ryzen.home...

Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the engine off
for a minute.

I think the energy saving (or lack of it!) is not the only reason for
using
start/stop. It also saves cars sitting in queues of traffic (eg at
lights)
with their engines giving out exhaust fumes while the engine is
idling. So
it\'s partly an anti-pollution thing.

I like the smell of exhaust fumes. I also love the diesel fumes smell
in train stations.

I don\'t like that, but I used to love the smell of steam engines. I can
still remember the smell (inasmuch as it is possible to remember smells).

Smells are the easiest things to remember, and the most likely to invoke a fond memory. I think swimming pool as soon as I use chlorine bleach.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:57:20 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:31:37 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Tell that to my motorcycles, or motorbikes in your parlance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend

All these years it should have been called \'Engine Trend\'?

I would not go into a garage and say \"the motor in my car has seized\" if it was a petrol engine. Only an American would confuse the two.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:57:20 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:31:37 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:14:56 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400, devnull <devnull@alt.home.repair
wrote:

On 6/6/2023 7:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/06/2023 11:56, me wrote:
On 6/5/2023 11:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Start stop is pointless, it saves fuck all petrol to turn the
engine off for a minute.

The money you might save on gas you\'ll spend replacing the starter
motor.
As usual kinsey is exactly wrong, as are you

The more you use the starter, the sooner it will wear out.

The only motor in a Tesla is an electric motor.

Idiot, all motors are electric.

Tell that to my motorcycles, or motorbikes in your parlance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend

All these years it should have been called \'Engine Trend\'?

I would not go into a garage and say \"the motor in my car has seized\" if it was a petrol engine. Only an American would confuse the two.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:12:11 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:27:54 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:42:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine
for fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling
through the odometer items.

You bought a piece of equipment just to see mpg?!

https://www.scangauge.com/products/scangauge-ii/

And a few other things. Real time mpg was the most useful as an everyday
function. The mileage falls off rapidly at 80+ mph

MPG is displayed on the dash on any car from about 1988 onwards. Last time I checked, anything up to 55mph in an auto was identical, then it dropped off quickly. Lower speeds in towns are not less efficient like the myth tells us.

so knowing your current
burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas stations
behind every bush.

I would fit a secondary tank.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:45:02 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

In article <kfto6bFauq6U3@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:27:54 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 21:42:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:20:04 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

What average mpg reading? My 2004 Highlander dosn\'t have any cool
features like that.

Get a ScanGauge II and plug it into the ODB port. I mainly used mine
for fuel mileage although the current car does that by scrolling
through the odometer items.

You bought a piece of equipment just to see mpg?!

https://www.scangauge.com/products/scangauge-ii/

And a few other things. Real time mpg was the most useful as an everyday
function. The mileage falls off rapidly at 80+ mph so knowing your
current burn rate is useful for planning fuel stops. We don\'t have gas
stations behind every bush.

I discovered a few years ago how badly roof bars affect MPG when driving at
motorway speeds.

But taking them on and off is a hassle and asking to wear out the connections.