Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-19 18:41, NY wrote:

On 18/04/2023 22:26, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 06:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:


And 4 minutes?  What are you doing, filling up a lorry?  I fill my
50 litre petrol tank in one minute.  Tell your garage to get faster
pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

Here, you can not do that. The nozzle switches off if you take your
hand off.

When did petrol pumps in the UK disable the trigger-lock which allowed
you to take you hand off the holster and let the pump switch itself off?
remember when I was little in the 1970s, one attendant would fill
several cars concurrently, flitting between pumps to turn each pump off
just before the fuel overflowed - I don\'t think auto-shutoff was as
common in those days.

Was the trigger-lock phased out around the time that serve-yourself
petrol/diesel pumps became available and attended service ceased to exist?

I can see in the hoses that the lock was actually removed, there remains
the holes for it in the metal.

I\'ve only seen one attended-service pump in the last decade or so, and
it\'s in the next village to me. There are big notices on it \"Attended
service only\". They\'ve just had new pumps installed, so it\'s not as if
they are using ancient equipment and have never upgraded.

My lady friend never goes to self service gas stations. There are a few
places here that are attendant only.

They tend to be a bit more expensive than supermarket diesel and other
(serve-yourself) garages, so they only time I use them is to buy a
jerry-can of unleaded for the mower, because they are the closest garage
to me.

Since I\'m only buying 15 litres at a time, the attendant always keeps
hold of the trigger, so I don\'t know whether those pumps have the
trigger-lock enabled since only trained staff (and not the punters) will
be using the pumps.



4 minutes to fill your tank. I tend to run my tank fairly low, so I\'m
often buying close to the maximum of 60 litres, and I\'ve had some pumps
that have taken that sort of time. I don\'t think I\'ve found a pump that
does it in as little as a minute.

I haven\'t timed it recently, my hands are busy and the phone is inside
the car.

Are diesel pumps generally faster or
slower than unleaded pumps? Is one type of fuel more likely than the
other to foam up if the fuel is pumped too quickly?

Yes, diesel does foam. The diesel nozzle is wider, too.

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Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-19 21:16, Rod Speed wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:30:16 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:

On 19/04/2023 14:09, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-04-19, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides
whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes.  The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes.  For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but
at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero
where regen
is weak.  Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just
coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to
quite
aggressive braking.  Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can
drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission
 In 2021, 0.9% of new vehicles sold in the U.S. had a manual
transmission.  In 2022, 1.2%.  Thus far in 2023, 1.7%.

Is there an explanation for the increase?

Most likely more small foreign cars.

It is cheaper, too.

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Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Skid Marks]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I have \'jane\' - my tomtom navigator in my smart phone. God she nags if
I don\'t go her way.

Give her a sex change and she\'ll be less verbose.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 19/04/2023 20:52, Skid Marks wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I have \'jane\' - my tomtom navigator in my smart phone. God she nags if
I don\'t go her way.

Give her a sex change and she\'ll be less verbose.

I am not sure if there is a male voice. I am not sure I would want one.

--
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always run out of other people\'s money. It\'s quite a characteristic of them\"

Margaret Thatcher

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-19 18:27, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

My address says \"es\", thus Spain

and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

:-D

Till relatively recently, the driving test was done only on manual cars.
Now you can use an automatic, but you get an specific license that says
you can not drive manuals.

I got an Audi with the 6-speed automatic, but it\'s the Borg Warner
dual-clutch transmission without a torque converter. It has two gear
trains, odd and even, and switches between them. I grudgingly admit
that they were right. But it does have good engine braking on long
downhills, and I can manually select any of the 6 gears if I want to.
It\'s incremental, like a motorcycle.

It also has the gadget that locks the brakes if you stop on a steep
uphill, so it doesn\'t roll back and crash the car behind you.

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Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-19 17:45, Bob F wrote:

On 4/19/2023 5:36 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes.  The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes.  For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where
regen
is weak.  Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking.  Coasting is more like a regular transmission
where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive
with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission, and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use
that to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of
using the brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.


Obviously, with an electric car, you would make a simple adjustment to
your driving style to accommodate the small difference. Especially since
using the brake pedal will recharge your battery for free.

Of course, that\'s the advantage of electrics. I just wondered how they
arranged the controls.

Then the brakes must be \"by wire\", so that the car decides to apply them
or not. Makes me a bit uneasy.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[M Nelson]

\"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They
always run out of other people\'s money. It\'s quite a characteristic of them\"

Margaret Thatcher

And what has capitalism done for you, exactly?

That EE degree you got 30-40 years ago, if earned today, would mean that you are paying for it for the rest of your life.

It seems like it is the capitalists who are always running out of somebody else\'s money.

And they\'re really good liars, drilling holes in our part of the boat and convincing us we need to buy the water.

 

[Paul]

On 4/19/2023 12:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 11:43:20 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 04:55, Bob F wrote:
On 4/18/2023 6:30 PM, Paul wrote:
On 4/18/2023 7:00 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:51:39 +0100, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

...

Why doesn\'t it always just charge fully?  Special things like using a
cheap rate or charging slowly to save the battery should be an
option.  If no input, fill her up at warp 9.8.

If you\'re skiing in the mountains and driving
back to Denver Colorado to catch a plane, that\'s
when you set your charger to 50% at the chalet.
Your \"tank\" will be full when you get to the airport,
because \"it is downhill all the way\". If you use
conventional friction brakes, the brakes can be hot.

With a BEV, you need to leave room in the \"tank\" for
the downhill trip, and your constant applications of
the regenerative brakes.

You adjust the charge level, for best battery (cycle) life,
and also so that the regenerative braking will work (because
it is \"free\" energy, when you use electrical-based braking).

Once the battery is 100% full, the car switches to using
friction brakes.


So, Does the car software allow you to pre-plan the trip so it charges
appropriately, taking into account the magnitude of the hills both ways
and even reduce the charge before the trip to allow the battery to
absorb the maximum energy from those downhill legs, thereby using the
least energy possible?

It seems like tieing together the gps and the trip planning should be an
obvious next step in these systems.

Wow.

It needs to know also the weight of the cargo

And not allow any side trips or changes. The Tesla is in control of
everything.

I just jump into my car and drive... don\'t need permission from Elon.

Of course you can drive without a trip plan.

But the car still shoots video of where you\'ve been.
And this video is added to the database at Tesla, to be
used for mapping (allowing car to navigate, with an
expectation of \"what comes next\").

The cars do enough storage activity, a previous problem
was that the NAND flash in the car computer was wearing out.
(Car design has changed from 8GB NAND to 64GB NAND.) Since
it is eMMC, it is soldered in place.

https://www.extremetech.com/cars/319170-tesla-ordered-to-recall-150k-vehicles-to-repair-memory-failures

Paul

 

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[Peeler]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:16:06 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


> Really, this stuff has been thought about.

Right, by the stupid wanker and troll who just successfully baited you
again, you idiotic troll-feeding senile HUGE ASSHOLE! LOL

 

[ke...@kjwdesigns.com]

On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 12:25:13 UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
....

That charging station is poorly located for the traffic passing through, it is close to the top of i80. If traveling to Reno the downhill stretch will return a lot of energy.
But they need it from both sides going to the top of I80.

Those chargers already exist.

To got from the south bay to Reno and back would charge at Loomis in one direction and Fairfield in the other for about 15-20 minutes.

kw

 

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[ke...@kjwdesigns.com]

On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 12:59:35 UTC-7, Carlos E.R. wrote:
....

Of course, that\'s the advantage of electrics. I just wondered how they
arranged the controls.

Then the brakes must be \"by wire\", so that the car decides to apply them
or not. Makes me a bit uneasy.
....

They all have mechanical override that even works without power, same with steering.

This technology has been around with hybrids for 20+ years.

kw

 

[Scott Lurndal]

\"Rod Speed\" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 00:42:26 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:09:45 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

In 2021, 0.9% of new vehicles sold in the U.S. had a manual
transmission. In 2022, 1.2%. Thus far in 2023, 1.7%.

Interesting. I prefer a manual

I have up till now and have always got one but now realise
that given I want a fancy cruise control for long distance
trips that an automatic would work a lot better and would
be convenient around town too.

My manual (2016 Chevy Colorado) has cruise control.

It was the only pickup truck I could find with a manual that year.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

On 2023-04-19 16:47, Sam E wrote:
On 4/18/23 16:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:

[snip]

Yeah. Don\'t buy an American gasoline car, they explode every time they
crash.

Seen on the movies PPP

Mythbusters tested that. In order to get the car to explode, they had to
put a bomb in it.

I\'d like to see that one :-DD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm5YPhbXgZg

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-19 22:03, Scott Lurndal wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2023-04-19 16:47, Sam E wrote:
On 4/18/23 16:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:

[snip]

Yeah. Don\'t buy an American gasoline car, they explode every time they
crash.

Seen on the movies PPP

Mythbusters tested that. In order to get the car to explode, they had to
put a bomb in it.

I\'d like to see that one :-DD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm5YPhbXgZg

Oh, but the video stops before it explodes! X\'-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.