Only one EV charger at home?!...

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 11:43:20 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 04:55, Bob F wrote:
On 4/18/2023 6:30 PM, Paul wrote:
On 4/18/2023 7:00 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:51:39 +0100, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

...

Why doesn\'t it always just charge fully?  Special things like using a
cheap rate or charging slowly to save the battery should be an
option.  If no input, fill her up at warp 9.8.

If you\'re skiing in the mountains and driving
back to Denver Colorado to catch a plane, that\'s
when you set your charger to 50% at the chalet.
Your \"tank\" will be full when you get to the airport,
because \"it is downhill all the way\". If you use
conventional friction brakes, the brakes can be hot.

With a BEV, you need to leave room in the \"tank\" for
the downhill trip, and your constant applications of
the regenerative brakes.

You adjust the charge level, for best battery (cycle) life,
and also so that the regenerative braking will work (because
it is \"free\" energy, when you use electrical-based braking).

Once the battery is 100% full, the car switches to using
friction brakes.


So, Does the car software allow you to pre-plan the trip so it charges
appropriately, taking into account the magnitude of the hills both ways
and even reduce the charge before the trip to allow the battery to
absorb the maximum energy from those downhill legs, thereby using the
least energy possible?

It seems like tieing together the gps and the trip planning should be an
obvious next step in these systems.

Wow.

It needs to know also the weight of the cargo

And not allow any side trips or changes. The Tesla is in control of
everything.

I just jump into my car and drive... don\'t need permission from Elon.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

and on those the (gasoline)
car brakes somewhat when the accelerator pedal is released. We use that
to maintain the speed when going down long slopes, instead of using the
brake. If we need more brake action, we shift to a lower gear.

My wife and kid threatened to divorce me if I got one more
manual-transmission car. They couldn\'t drive a manual on the hills
here.

I got an Audi with the 6-speed automatic, but it\'s the Borg Warner
dual-clutch transmission without a torque converter. It has two gear
trains, odd and even, and switches between them. I grudgingly admit
that they were right. But it does have good engine braking on long
downhills, and I can manually select any of the 6 gears if I want to.
It\'s incremental, like a motorcycle.

It also has the gadget that locks the brakes if you stop on a steep
uphill, so it doesn\'t roll back and crash the car behind you.

 

[NY]

On 18/04/2023 22:26, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-04-18 06:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:


And 4 minutes?  What are you doing, filling up a lorry?  I fill my 50
litre petrol tank in one minute.  Tell your garage to get faster pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

Here, you can not do that. The nozzle switches off if you take your hand
off.

When did petrol pumps in the UK disable the trigger-lock which allowed
you to take you hand off the holster and let the pump switch itself off?
remember when I was little in the 1970s, one attendant would fill
several cars concurrently, flitting between pumps to turn each pump off
just before the fuel overflowed - I don\'t think auto-shutoff was as
common in those days.

Was the trigger-lock phased out around the time that serve-yourself
petrol/diesel pumps became available and attended service ceased to exist?

I\'ve only seen one attended-service pump in the last decade or so, and
it\'s in the next village to me. There are big notices on it \"Attended
service only\". They\'ve just had new pumps installed, so it\'s not as if
they are using ancient equipment and have never upgraded.

They tend to be a bit more expensive than supermarket diesel and other
(serve-yourself) garages, so they only time I use them is to buy a
jerry-can of unleaded for the mower, because they are the closest garage
to me.

Since I\'m only buying 15 litres at a time, the attendant always keeps
hold of the trigger, so I don\'t know whether those pumps have the
trigger-lock enabled since only trained staff (and not the punters) will
be using the pumps.



4 minutes to fill your tank. I tend to run my tank fairly low, so I\'m
often buying close to the maximum of 60 litres, and I\'ve had some pumps
that have taken that sort of time. I don\'t think I\'ve found a pump that
does it in as little as a minute. Are diesel pumps generally faster or
slower than unleaded pumps? Is one type of fuel more likely than the
other to foam up if the fuel is pumped too quickly?

 

[NY]

On 19/04/2023 17:10, John Larkin wrote:
> In my gas powered Audi, I just downshift to spare the brakes.

My nephews have taken their tests fairly recently (within the last 10
years) and they said that changing down just before going down a long
hill is no longer taught and is actually deprecated. The current advice
is to use the brakes to do *all* the retardation.

The issue could be severe for big electric semis. Even diesels with
engine braking tend to smoke their brakes on a long downhill. We have
\"runaway truck ramps\" they can crash into when the brakes go out.

There are a few of those long steep hills when I live, with escape lanes
(sand drags) for runaway trucks. Sadly there wasn\'t one (until
afterwards) on the hill where a coach\'s brakes failed and it ran into
the side of a car at the traffic lights at the bottom of the hill. Sadly
the occupants of the car were killed. Intriguingly, it was the driver of
the coach who was prosecuted for the coach having defective brakes, and
the company owner (who was responsible for scheduling maintenance and
attending to \"the brakes don\'t feel right\") who escaped punishment.

The worst runaway coach accident I remember was Dibble\'s Bridge between
Pateley Bridge and Grassington (in North Yorkshire) in the 1970s. A
coach got out of control because its brakes failed and the driver muffed
his emergency gearchange to a lower gear (*) so the coach had *no*
engine braking. There were a lot of deaths when the coach hit the bridge
parapet (the bridge is on a bend in the road) and fell onto the bank of
the river/stream below.


(*) Maybe the coach had a non-synchromesh gearbox so it wasn\'t just a
case of \"ram it into gear and let the clutch take the strain\" but
instead the engine needed to be rev-matched to the new gear to allow it
to be engaged. Hard to do when there\'s no pressure on you; bloody
impossible when you\'re panicking. In the 1970s, some older coaches
probably still had manual gearboxes. They probably didn\'t have Voith
electric retarders either.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:36:49 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-19 14:12, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Interesting.

How does it work, you foot the brake pedal, and the car decides whether
to apply the actual brakes or generator mode?

In general yes. The car will decide whether to use regen or friction
brakes. For example mostly regen if the battery can take it, but at low
speeds friction might be used for the last few mph down to zero where regen
is weak. Also in an emergency stop both might be used.

What happens when you release the accelerator pedal? Does it just coast
along, or does it apply \"engine brake\" as in a gasoline car?

That\'s called \'one pedal driving\', and on many EVs you can adjust the
retardation (regen) in a number of steps from coasting through to quite
aggressive braking. Coasting is more like a regular transmission where you
have to use the brake pedal, whereas with higher levels you can drive with
accelerator alone.

By \"regular transmission\" you mean \"automatic\"?

Most cars here have a manual transmission,

where\'s that?

One would expect that to be España.

 

[Bob F]

On 4/19/2023 9:10 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 21:30:29 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid
wrote:

On 4/18/2023 7:00 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:51:39 +0100, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:


I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked),

Are you sure about that? I’d had my car for two years before realising that
the actual flap isn’t part of the central locking system.

which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state.

Every time? I just have mine set to charge for the same four hours every
night. No fiddling with apps involved.

If I’m charging away from home I just press the schedule override button
inside the charging flap to start charging immediately (on AC). On DC it
sensibly just ignores any set schedule.

Why doesn\'t it always just charge fully?  Special things like using a cheap rate or charging slowly to save the battery should be an option.  If no input, fill her up at warp 9.8.

If you\'re skiing in the mountains and driving
back to Denver Colorado to catch a plane, that\'s
when you set your charger to 50% at the chalet.
Your \"tank\" will be full when you get to the airport,
because \"it is downhill all the way\". If you use
conventional friction brakes, the brakes can be hot.

With a BEV, you need to leave room in the \"tank\" for
the downhill trip, and your constant applications of
the regenerative brakes.

You adjust the charge level, for best battery (cycle) life,
and also so that the regenerative braking will work (because
it is \"free\" energy, when you use electrical-based braking).

Once the battery is 100% full, the car switches to using
friction brakes.

Paul

Yikes, one more thing to factor into driving. Park for an hour and
open the windows and run the heater full blast? Hey, a new roadside
business could be DISCHARGE YOUR BATTERY HERE.

In my gas powered Audi, I just downshift to spare the brakes.

The issue could be severe for big electric semis. Even diesels with
engine braking tend to smoke their brakes on a long downhill. We have
\"runaway truck ramps\" they can crash into when the brakes go out.

Add a big electric \"radiator\"?

 

[retired1]

On 4/19/23 12:56 PM, NY wrote:

On 19/04/2023 17:10, John Larkin wrote:
snip

The issue could be severe for big electric semis. Even diesels with
engine braking tend to smoke their brakes on a long downhill. We have
\"runaway truck ramps\" they can crash into when the brakes go out.

There are a few of those long steep hills when I live, with escape lanes
(sand drags) for runaway trucks. Sadly there wasn\'t one (until
afterwards) on the hill where a coach\'s brakes failed and it ran into
the side of a car at the traffic lights at the bottom of the hill. Sadly
the occupants of the car were killed. Intriguingly, it was the driver of
the coach who was prosecuted for the coach having defective brakes, and
the company owner (who was responsible for scheduling maintenance and
attending to \"the brakes don\'t feel right\") who escaped punishment.
snip

Near Hartford CT a runaway truck with bad brakes killed the driver and 3
others, and the owner was jailed. Total of 19 vehicles involved. Bottom
of the downhill is a traffic light and was red.

https://www.courant.com/2013/06/12/truck-owner-in-avon-mt-crash-seeks-release-from-prison-2/

https://goo.gl/maps/HRfZNMNxQk3hd4HS9
Runaway ramp is new.

 

[John Larkin]

On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:35:13 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

Less than a minute and you call that a long time? If you walked away from the pump, got in your car, closed the door, then immediately opened the door and got out again and walked back to the pump, it probably would already have finished.

And ours are 50 litres per minute (that\'s my full tank). You have bigger cars with slower petrol....

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 16:00:56 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November and just won\'t stop. I\'d like to get some grass seed
down if the soil temperature ever gets about 50 F.

I love snow and want some. How much including shipping and taxes?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:36:02 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.

Seems popular.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=snow+eating+competition

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:26:36 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-04-18 06:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:


And 4 minutes? What are you doing, filling up a lorry? I fill my 50 litre petrol tank in one minute. Tell your garage to get faster pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

Here, you can not do that. The nozzle switches off if you take your hand
off.

Only America is stupid enough to leave it on.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:41:39 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 22:26, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 06:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:


And 4 minutes? What are you doing, filling up a lorry? I fill my 50
litre petrol tank in one minute. Tell your garage to get faster pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

Here, you can not do that. The nozzle switches off if you take your hand
off.

When did petrol pumps in the UK disable the trigger-lock which allowed
you to take you hand off the holster and let the pump switch itself off?
remember when I was little in the 1970s, one attendant would fill
several cars concurrently, flitting between pumps to turn each pump off
just before the fuel overflowed - I don\'t think auto-shutoff was as
common in those days.

Was the trigger-lock phased out around the time that serve-yourself
petrol/diesel pumps became available and attended service ceased to exist?

I\'ve only seen one attended-service pump in the last decade or so, and
it\'s in the next village to me. There are big notices on it \"Attended
service only\". They\'ve just had new pumps installed, so it\'s not as if
they are using ancient equipment and have never upgraded.

I encountered one when on holiday in England last summer. I asked him why and he said it\'s incase he can sell more stuff. All he amanged to \"sell\" me was advice on where to get a replacement tyre, as he had none that peculiar size in stock.

I\'m now dealing with a peculiar sized driveshaft. Renault Scenic driveshaft? Not that easy. Mk 1, 2, 3, 4. Times 3 petrol engine sizes and a diesel in each. And even then, they changed it half way through each Mk. So 32 possibilities. Then for some reason left and right are different?! Maybe one side needs a left hand screw to stop it coming off the wheel. So the shops are stocking 64 driveshafts just for Renault Scenics.

They tend to be a bit more expensive than supermarket diesel and other
(serve-yourself) garages, so they only time I use them is to buy a
jerry-can of unleaded for the mower, because they are the closest garage
to me.

Somebody once told me supermarket stuff has less additives and less mileage. I didn\'t believe them.

Since I\'m only buying 15 litres at a time, the attendant always keeps
hold of the trigger, so I don\'t know whether those pumps have the
trigger-lock enabled since only trained staff (and not the punters) will
be using the pumps.

4 minutes to fill your tank.

Does he pedal it?

I tend to run my tank fairly low, so I\'m
often buying close to the maximum of 60 litres, and I\'ve had some pumps
that have taken that sort of time. I don\'t think I\'ve found a pump that
does it in as little as a minute. Are diesel pumps generally faster or
slower than unleaded pumps? Is one type of fuel more likely than the
other to foam up if the fuel is pumped too quickly?

I didn\'t notice a difference when I\'ve had petrol and diesel cars. Or LPG.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 9:10:24 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 21:30:29 -0400, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid
wrote:

On 4/18/2023 7:00 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 06:51:39 +0100, Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:


I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked),

Are you sure about that? I’d had my car for two years before realising that
the actual flap isn’t part of the central locking system.

which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state.

Every time? I just have mine set to charge for the same four hours every
night. No fiddling with apps involved.

If I’m charging away from home I just press the schedule override button
inside the charging flap to start charging immediately (on AC). On DC it
sensibly just ignores any set schedule.

Why doesn\'t it always just charge fully? Special things like using a cheap rate or charging slowly to save the battery should be an option. If no input, fill her up at warp 9.8.

If you\'re skiing in the mountains and driving
back to Denver Colorado to catch a plane, that\'s
when you set your charger to 50% at the chalet.
Your \"tank\" will be full when you get to the airport,
because \"it is downhill all the way\". If you use
conventional friction brakes, the brakes can be hot.

With a BEV, you need to leave room in the \"tank\" for
the downhill trip, and your constant applications of
the regenerative brakes.

You adjust the charge level, for best battery (cycle) life,
and also so that the regenerative braking will work (because
it is \"free\" energy, when you use electrical-based braking).

Once the battery is 100% full, the car switches to using
friction brakes.

Paul

Yikes, one more thing to factor into driving. Park for an hour and
open the windows and run the heater full blast? Hey, a new roadside
business could be DISCHARGE YOUR BATTERY HERE.

Discharging is never a problem and certainly not for an hour.

I am 2 miles (elevation @100ft) from a charger near sea level, but have to go through a hill at @150ft. Even with brake downhill (acc from 20MPH to 40MPH), I can get there without any energy. If no cars are around, i can probably get another 20MPH over the limit and gain some energy.

Unfortunately, take around 2KWhr to get back home.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:09:00 +1000, Skid Marks
<skid.marks@socialist.media> wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 16:09:01 +1000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 18/04/2023 22:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-18 18:49, Scott Lurndal wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:32:35 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid
wrote:

What\'s interesting about the city cars, is the pricing, rather
than the capabilities. It shows how much effect that impact
resistance
and endless bullshit safety features have on vehicles. It\'s an
attempt
at an end-run around regulation. And it\'s the only style I know of,
where people are experimenting with battery packs you can take in
the house.

Yikes. Battery packs catch fire.

So do gas powered vehicles, at a much higher rate per 1000 vehicles.

(0.3% for ev, 1.05% for gas cars).
Yeah. Don\'t buy an American gasoline car, they explode every time
they crash.
Seen on the movies PPP

At least gas cars don\'t generally go up in flames sitting in your
drive switched off.
Some do. A mate\'s Merc did that in his carport and
damned near took the entire house with it. No one was
home at the time and by a pure fluke someone who was
driving past noticed and called the fire brigade just in time.

How long does it take to put out an EV car fire?

How long does it take to put out a gas car fire?

Irrelevant to that claim about which catch fire.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:

On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNn1nht0_8

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 04:31:52 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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cretin\'s pathological trolling:
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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:38:37 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On 19 Apr 2023 15:00:56 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 07:10:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 19/04/2023 01:35, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

I see that UTAH has had record snowfall this year. 50ft deep in the
mountains, extreme avalanche danger.

\"Our children just wont know what snow is\" etc..

At least in this valley we haven\'t had a lot of depth but the shit started
in early November

Fortunately for us, it snows nice clean white stuff here. You can even
eat it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpNn1nht0_8

So many guys think and talk compulsively about pee and poop... all the
time.

I think that\'s strange.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:35:13 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 23:59:05 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

So the filling isn\'t 4 minutes? I think it\'s a litre a second in the
UK. Hardly slow enough to want to wander off. By the time I\'d walked
to the other end of the car and back it would be full.

By law in the US the maximum rate is 10 US gallons per minute (37.9
liters). As I stood in a snow squall this afternoon, 8.2 gallons took
forever.

A the current prices, the last thing I\'m concerned about is the time taken to empty my bank account.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:58:42 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 05:28:58 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 16:40:29 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:53:23 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 18/04/2023 05:04, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 04:14:32 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 02:15:23 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 23:46:35 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 19:33, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:50:00 +0100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 17/04/2023 10:19, Theo wrote:
In uk.d-i-y SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

EV chargers can be configured to sense the total load being offered by the
property. If the supply is 100A then the charger can throttle back the
current being taken by the car so it stays within the 100A envelope.
Somebody turns on the 50A electric shower, the car drops down to a low
current, once the shower is finished the car ramps up the current again. If
there are multiple chargers they can be configured not just to obey this,
but to cooperate in sharing the load: eg charger 1 has priority over charger
2. That arrangement saves going outside at 3am to unplug one car and plug
in another.

So there isn\'t a problem of busting your supply, assuming everything is
installed right.

My charger has no current sensing. It can operate co-operatively, but
only if your other charger(s) are the same make and model.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

That I agree is more of a problem. I expect we\'ll start to see tariffs that
encourage load shedding at times of high local demand (eg cooperation
between local cars to stagger their charging times), especially since the
miles people do in the average day might only require a few hours of
charging. Such already exist for national demand.

The trouble is that we are getting more and more away from simply plug
and charge, needing to use multiple apps for car, charger and
electricity provider, possibly with 3rd party apps and relying upon them
all working together smoothly.

I already find it a minor irritation that, on getting home, I have to
get out of the car, without locking it (or the charge flap will also be
locked), which leaves lights, radio and dash on; plug in; then lock the
car; then use the charger app to set charging and the car\'s own app if I
want to monitor charge state. That\'s before we introduce a 3rd app to
allow the car to charge at lower demand times, rather than a fixed period.

Gas stations don\'t make me do all that. I can even go inside and pay
cash.

But you do have to go to the gas station and not just park up on your
driveway at the end of the day.

I park on the street.

People here park on the street and just run a cable over the pavement.

I\'m lucky that I can usually park in front of my house, but that\'s not
guaranteed.

On street cleaning days, I park on another street. Envision a 500 foot
charging cable.



Two gas stations are close to home and I can wash the windows while
the tank fills up; all that takes about 4 minutes. I never have to
wait for a pump to be available.

If you\'re talking about a petrol pump and not an electric charger, WTF are you doing leaving it filling unattended? That\'s how this shit happens: https://media1.fdncms.com/orlando/imager/u/original/2826553/16832059_1350121135027085_3513683467753433350_n.jpg

Somehow I\'ve never done that. Electric car owners are the ones who
leave their cars unattended while they charge, because it takes so
long.


And 4 minutes? What are you doing, filling up a lorry? I fill my 50 litre petrol tank in one minute. Tell your garage to get faster pumps.

I like to wash and squeegee and wipe down my windows while the tank is
filling. That\'s what takes about 4 minutes about every two weeks,
unless I drive up into the mountains. It takes about 3/4 of a tank to
get to Truckee but only 1/2 to get back.

UK pumps cannot be operated unattended. They have the lock-on facility
disabled due to safety legislation.

Strange that there is a perceived safety issue. The auto shutoffs are
smarter than the average citizen.

You\'re forgetting people are forgetful. If you leave it running and go do something else, you\'re very likely to forget to put the nozzle away and drive off with it attached, this causes a massive leak of gas and a massive fire.

Not a massive leak. The pump will shut off and there\'s just a little
liquid that would drool out of the hose.

But your scenario rarely happens.

I\'ve seen about 100 videos of it on Youtube, often with an immense fire. Once the fire starts, it must get into the petrol underground.