On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:06:29 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-06 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:33:29 -0000, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 20:50, Tim+ wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:20:18 -0000, Cursitor Doom
cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 17:13:16 +0000, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 15:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 09:43:37 -0000,
Wanderer@noplace.com> wrote:
Sure, but we would need to replace all electrical
devices by the their Thevenin Equivalent.
Seriously, All electrical device need to use a certain
amount of power. We often convert the mains voltages
and currents to other voltages and currents that
devices can consume. There are probably some power
supplies that could use the lower voltages and
frequencies and get the same power. Some motors and
clocks may run slower but some would not work at all.
If we still had incandescent light bulbs they would be
dimmer, the reason for the old term \'brown out\'. Most
modern devices would not work and might even be
damaged.
So No.
A device getting damaged by not enough power is screaming
of bad design.
Not necessarily. We have a \"guaranteed\" minimum and maximum
supply voltage. Why should a company spend extra designing
and installing protection against supplies (not temporary
aberrations) outside them?
Yes, all sorts of issues if a power company messes around
with the voltage and frequency. If a consumer wants to
attempt saving money in this way then the obvious thing to
try would be a variac. It won\'t change the frequency but does
enable one to reduce the supply voltage easily to whatever
device you wish to reduce the power to.
Not the same thing at all. If you want to reduce usage, you
turn things down or off. If the whole country wants to do that
over a short period due to high demand, they can\'t very well
phone everyone up and tell you to delay your coffee for half an
hour, they have to lower the voltage.
As has been explained, reducing voltage is a crap idea. You can
email folk and ask them to reduce consumption at peak time
though. I got refunds last December for doing this.
Eventually when weâre all on smart meters, more variable tariffs
will become available that will encourage this behaviour will
become the norm.
In Spain, where every one has to have a Smart Meter, there are
three different price bands.
I wasn\'t aware Spain was communist.
Actually, it was the right wing who did this.
Why would a right wing government do such a thing?
On 2022-11-07 00:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:09:41 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-06 23:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:56:29 -0000, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 21:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:33:29 -0000, David Wade
g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 20:50, Tim+ wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:20:18 -0000, Cursitor Doom
cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 17:13:16 +0000, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 15:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 09:43:37 -0000,
Wanderer@noplace.com> wrote:
Sure, but we would need to replace all electrical
devices by the their Thevenin Equivalent.
Seriously, All electrical device need to use a
certain amount of power. We often convert the mains
voltages and currents to other voltages and
currents that devices can consume. There are
probably some power supplies that could use the
lower voltages and frequencies and get the same
power. Some motors and clocks may run slower but
some would not work at all. If we still had
incandescent light bulbs they would be dimmer, the
reason for the old term \'brown out\'. Most modern
devices would not work and might even be damaged.
So No.
A device getting damaged by not enough power is
screaming of bad design.
Not necessarily. We have a \"guaranteed\" minimum and
maximum supply voltage. Why should a company spend
extra designing and installing protection against
supplies (not temporary aberrations) outside them?
Yes, all sorts of issues if a power company messes around
with the voltage and frequency. If a consumer wants to
attempt saving money in this way then the obvious thing
to try would be a variac. It won\'t change the frequency
but does enable one to reduce the supply voltage easily
to whatever device you wish to reduce the power to.
Not the same thing at all. If you want to reduce usage,
you turn things down or off. If the whole country wants to
do that over a short period due to high demand, they can\'t
very well phone everyone up and tell you to delay your
coffee for half an hour, they have to lower the voltage.
As has been explained, reducing voltage is a crap idea. You
can email folk and ask them to reduce consumption at peak
time though. I got refunds last December for doing this.
Eventually when weâre all on smart meters, more variable
tariffs will become available that will encourage this
behaviour will become the norm.
In Spain, where every one has to have a Smart Meter, there are
three different price bands.
I wasn\'t aware Spain was communist.
Well given its not invested in energy infra-structure so supply is
often \"flaky\" makes it feel a bit like that at times.
I\'ve heard some parts of Italy only have a 3kW supply to each house!
They have problems when buying 3kW kettles!
I have 2.3 KW on my entire house.
How the hell do you manage with that little power?
I just do
Typically, most homes have 3.6 KW. Max you can have is 15 KW.
The dark ages.
LOL. You really do not need more.
Do you really want a meter which can overread by a factor of 5,
in particular on eco-stuff like LED lights!
Its worse than that, you pay for it on your bill. Mine costs
0.026667⬠per day. I also have a contracted peak load. Exceed this
and it cuts out. That costs 0.091474 Eur/kW/day and changing the
value costs a fair amount.
What is your peak load? Is this certain times of day only? I can
draw 24kW, if that reduced I\'d be fucking angry.
LOL
Of course I don\'t often use that much, I\'ve never gone over 18kW, and
not over 8kW for any long period.
What do you need that much electricity for, you run a forge at home? :-D
On 2022-11-07 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:06:29 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-06 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:33:29 -0000, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 20:50, Tim+ wrote:
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:20:18 -0000, Cursitor Doom
cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 17:13:16 +0000, SteveW
steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 15:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 09:43:37 -0000,
Wanderer@noplace.com> wrote:
Sure, but we would need to replace all electrical
devices by the their Thevenin Equivalent.
Seriously, All electrical device need to use a certain
amount of power. We often convert the mains voltages
and currents to other voltages and currents that
devices can consume. There are probably some power
supplies that could use the lower voltages and
frequencies and get the same power. Some motors and
clocks may run slower but some would not work at all.
If we still had incandescent light bulbs they would be
dimmer, the reason for the old term \'brown out\'. Most
modern devices would not work and might even be
damaged.
So No.
A device getting damaged by not enough power is screaming
of bad design.
Not necessarily. We have a \"guaranteed\" minimum and maximum
supply voltage. Why should a company spend extra designing
and installing protection against supplies (not temporary
aberrations) outside them?
Yes, all sorts of issues if a power company messes around
with the voltage and frequency. If a consumer wants to
attempt saving money in this way then the obvious thing to
try would be a variac. It won\'t change the frequency but does
enable one to reduce the supply voltage easily to whatever
device you wish to reduce the power to.
Not the same thing at all. If you want to reduce usage, you
turn things down or off. If the whole country wants to do that
over a short period due to high demand, they can\'t very well
phone everyone up and tell you to delay your coffee for half an
hour, they have to lower the voltage.
As has been explained, reducing voltage is a crap idea. You can
email folk and ask them to reduce consumption at peak time
though. I got refunds last December for doing this.
Eventually when weâre all on smart meters, more variable tariffs
will become available that will encourage this behaviour will
become the norm.
In Spain, where every one has to have a Smart Meter, there are
three different price bands.
I wasn\'t aware Spain was communist.
Actually, it was the right wing who did this.
Why would a right wing government do such a thing?
Because they are friends with the electricity companies, and they asked
nicely. Meaning, they both got more money.
Do you really want a meter which can overread by a factor of 5, in
particular on eco-stuff like LED lights!
Where do you get that idea?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4288180/Smart-meters-readings-SEVEN-times-high.html
\"smart meters can give readings that are SEVEN times too high because
dimmer switches and LED bulbs confuse the devices
Smart meters can be confused by modern dimmer switches and LED bulbs
Meters come up with readings that are 582 per cent higher than they
should be
It comes after an SSE had to apologise to customers earlier this week
after malfunctioning smart meters handed them bills for as much as
£44,000 a day
The Government wants them installed in all 26million homes by 2020\"
That last line, ROFL! It\'s now 2022 and only half of us have one.
Well, no such thing here. This is a modern country :-D