Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

[Peter]

On 11/11/2022 2:39 PM, Peter wrote:

On 11/11/2022 9:36 AM, NY wrote:
\"Peter\" <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
news:tkllon$1plh$1@gioia.aioe.org...
On 11/11/2022 8:43 AM, NY wrote:

It\'s why pure O2 (or O2+N2 with no CO2) in scuba breathing apparatus
is a bad thing: the body needs *some* CO2 to stimulate breathing.

Speaking as someone who in the early 1980s became a fully qualified
Navy open water deep sea diver and Navy diving medical officer who
trained on multiple devices using multiple gas mixtures, CO2 was
never part of any of the gas mixtures. I\'m talking about normal scuba
(compressed air) as well as special diving mixes that combine various
ratios of pure oxygen and/or pure nitrogen and/or pure helium.
Normal metabolism combined with the physiologic stress of diving plus
the work of breathing gases under pressures greater than 1 atmosphere
produces all the CO2 the brain needs to stimulate the breathing reflex.

If the exhaled air is re-breathed (combined with new air from the
cylinders) then I can imagine that the amount of CO2 that the body
produces is sufficient. The danger comes if all the exhaled air is
\"lost\" and not blended with the tank air: then you need to make sure
that the tank air has CO2 in it - which atmospheric air will do but a
mixture from oxygen and nitrogen tanks will not.

Absolutely wrong.  I wouldn\'t be alive to write this if what you say
were true.  The major health risk to a diver using a rebreather is a
failure of the CO2 scrubber, resulting in excessive CO2 in the
rebreathed air, toxicity, and a fatality if the diver can\'t surface.
Almost all rebreathers use \"nitrox\", a mixture of pure oxygen and pure
nitrogen.  I know.  I\'ve used these devices.

I should have added that in some diving scenarios, rebreathers actually
are charged with 100% oxygen.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

You can\'t be bothered to connect them all to the decent service? In the UK, we call that sort of TV \"council telly\" - it\'s what you have when you have no money.


On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:03:41 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Yes, a lot do.

I have one TV on fibre, but the TV on the kitchen or the computer room
use aerial.


On 2022-11-09 01:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
People still use that? My parents use a dish and I use the internet.

And you would have thought they would have made an effort to make a
worldwide standard when they went digital.


On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:19:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Not for TV broadcast over the air (Digital terrestrial television)

On 2022-11-08 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Surely now we\'re digital the standards are the same?

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 18:04:21 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

(top posted for Brian)

I\'ve got a bunch of devices intended for the US market which will
run on
100-250 volts. The recent one I have which won\'t run on 100 is the TV.

Which won\'t work in the US anyway because the standards are different.

Andy

On 07/11/2022 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
If the switch mode supplies are designed with the right
disidisipation, I
see no reason why anything from 110v ac 60 hz and 250v ac 50 hz not
to be
possible. I\'m sure Samsung TVs can do this, or at least most of them
can.

 

[Tim+]

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

CO will produce headache, nausea/vomiting and unconsciousness. Check for the
gums, fingernails and corners of eyes going cherry-red: that is caused by
carboxyhaemoglobin, in which the haemoglobin in the blood binds
preferentially with the CO, instead of the O2 which it is supposed to bind
with. Carb-haem is very bright red: much more so than with normal blood,
even oxygenated blood straight from the lungs before it has gone to the
organs/muscles.

CO2 tends to cause increased respiration because the body\'s natural reaction
is to try to breathe more in the hope of getting enough O2. It\'s why pure O2
(or O2+N2 with no CO2) in scuba breathing apparatus is a bad thing:

Um, no. Nobody puts any CO2 in diving cylinders. Pure O2 is actually toxic
over long periods. The higher the pressure you’re breathing it at, the
more toxic it is. The presence or absence of CO2 doesn’t come into it.

the body
needs *some* CO2 to stimulate breathing.

Not entirely true. We have a “hypoxic drive” to respiration but the CO2 is
a much stronger stimulus. We all rebreathe a certain amount of air because
of the “dead space” in our lungs so CO2 levels in our lungs and never falls
to zero.

Tim
--
Please don\'t feed the trolls

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:08:32 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-09 10:20, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/11/2022 20:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-08 15:54, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/11/2022 14:16, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 09:24:41 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


We absolutely *DO* need bulk storage - especially since so much of
our winter electricity is generated from burning the stuff! A
majority of UK homes are also heated by gas boilers so it is a double
whammy.

The days of dirt cheap and plentiful North Sea gas are long gone.

What happened to it, is it spent already?

All the easy to get at stuff has long since been depleted. North sea is
deep and most of the remaining gas reserves are prohibitively expensive
to get at. (although recent price hikes may have changed that)

All good things do not last :-(

Output has been declining since the peak in 2000. eg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10F88/production/_124721596_nsta-oil-production-nc.jpg.webp

UK North Sea oil output peaked slightly earlier.

Rough gas storage facility uses some of the empty salt domes.

Good while it lasted but UK gas production and consumption crossed over
in 2004 - ever since then we have been a net importer of natural gas. It
was fine whilst there was plentiful Russian gas for the mainland but now
it is very much a sellers market with insane price spikes possible.

Not having any storage means that we will have to pay whatever it takes
to keep the lights on this winter. The campaign to save energy in the UK
remains very lacklustre when compared to the 1970\'s OPEC induced oil
crisis which had a very high profile \"Save It\" campaign slogan.

Here, there are adverts on TV asking people to adjust their thermostats
down to 19°C.

People will do what they want to or can afford to. That advert was pointless.

This summer a new regulation mandated public buildings to
adjust AC no lower than 27°C.

At 27C I\'m too warm naked. I assume that\'s not allowed in your public buildings.

> I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 09:20:23 -0000, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 08/11/2022 20:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-08 15:54, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/11/2022 14:16, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 09:24:41 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


We absolutely *DO* need bulk storage - especially since so much of our
winter electricity is generated from burning the stuff! A majority of
UK homes are also heated by gas boilers so it is a double whammy.

The days of dirt cheap and plentiful North Sea gas are long gone.

What happened to it, is it spent already?

All the easy to get at stuff has long since been depleted. North sea is
deep and most of the remaining gas reserves are prohibitively expensive
to get at. (although recent price hikes may have changed that)

Output has been declining since the peak in 2000. eg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10F88/production/_124721596_nsta-oil-production-nc.jpg.webp

UK North Sea oil output peaked slightly earlier.

Rough gas storage facility uses some of the empty salt domes.

Good while it lasted but UK gas production and consumption crossed over
in 2004 - ever since then we have been a net importer of natural gas. It
was fine whilst there was plentiful Russian gas for the mainland but now
it is very much a sellers market with insane price spikes possible.

Not having any storage means that we will have to pay whatever it takes
to keep the lights on this winter. The campaign to save energy in the UK
remains very lacklustre when compared to the 1970\'s OPEC induced oil
crisis which had a very high profile \"Save It\" campaign slogan.

Nobody asked me if I wanted expensive power instead of cheap Russian power. I have nothing against Putin, I want to use his cheap gas.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-11 15:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/11/2022 13:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 13:40, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
No one cares about bacteria in their central heating primary circuit.

Unless the level gets high enough to clog things up.

But in the hot water circuit they can be really bad news.

And in the primary there can be leaks, and happen in your kids bedroom.

I think anyone who doesn\'t fix a primary leak will soon have a
depressurised inoperative boiler

Normally.

Maybe that someone refills the circuit, not knowing where the slow leak
is. Happened to me.

More bacteria up your childrens\' bottoms....

Different kinds.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 01:46:15 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered

> If... if... if... all your ranting is useless and pointless here.

It isn\'t, you dumb SPICK! He STILL makes you take all his idiotic baits and
reveal what a dumb SPICK you really are!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:32:22 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-09 21:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 07:07:54 -0000, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 15:03:08 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors?

In my country house I currently have only one pump, which require
three phases.

That can be done with single phase power and a three phase inverter
(single phase input, three phase output). I don\'t know the current price
of that, though.

Typically the single phase 230 V input inverter has 127/220 V three
phase output. The 230/400 V motors are much more common.

The other alterative is to use 3 capacitors to generate the phases
from single phase,, but the output power is severely reduced.

Is it possible to use a special transformer to shift the phase? So you
take a single phase and lag it a bit? Do that twice over, then you have
three phases cheaply.

I have forgotten the math for this, but anyway, it is not cheap. Copper
has never been cheap. The cheap method has always been one capacitor, to
generate a bit of a phase. Many motors use this trick. Look inside a
household fan, for instance.

I have a pair of old fans I use to cool the garage. They have a large capacitor each. I thought those were for the power factor correction? They\'re just one phase.

My heat pump\'s compressor (and it\'s fans) have capacitors across them. Again, I thought that was for PF.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-11 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:10:40 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 10/11/2022 21:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

Andy


My late mother relates a story from presumably the 1920s, in which she
and her sister and young brother were playing in a room with a paraffin
heater.
In the sort of trust in adults displayed by BBC audiences,, the ideas
that she couldn\'t see in front of her for black smoke, and was coughing,
didn\'t seem to create any alarm whatsoever until her father rushed in
and opened all the windows and dragged the children out.

When I was a kid most everyone had unvented gas heaters in our houses,
which burned clean. Fortunately, the houses were usually very leaky.
If the CO2 level got high, it would feel stuffy and we\'d turn down the
heat or lift a window for fresh air.

The hazard would be for the CO2 level to get so high that the gas
flames starved and started making CO. That was rare.
Current burners switch off automatically way before that.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 01:47:36 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> Not free here, and sometimes you do not see it.

YOU certainly keep sucking him off for free. You dumb spick manage to make
him happier than any other of the troll-feeding senile assholes in these
groups. LOL

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:52:22 -0000, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

On 09.11.22 21:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 07:07:54 -0000, <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 15:03:08 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors?

In my country house I currently have only one pump, which require
three phases.

That can be done with single phase power and a three phase inverter
(single phase input, three phase output). I don\'t know the current price
of that, though.

Typically the single phase 230 V input inverter has 127/220 V three
phase output. The 230/400 V motors are much more common.

The other alterative is to use 3 capacitors to generate the phases
from single phase,, but the output power is severely reduced.

Is it possible to use a special transformer to shift the phase? So you take a single phase and lag it a bit? Do that twice over, then you have three phases cheaply.

120 degrees phase difference between the the phases.
quite a bit more than a \"bit\".

Since inductors lag 90 degrees, I thought doing that a couple of times could shove it to 120.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 01:48:15 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered

Some of us have brains.

But not you

But HE\'s a proven clinically insane sociopath, attention whore, troll and
wanker. What\'s YOUR excuse?

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-11 14:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 13:43:53 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

To much CO2 will lead to
unconsciousness but as I understand it, it is not poisonous as such, so a
few breaths of normal air is enough to revive a person.

Apparently people have died in their sleep from CO2 suddenly coming from
a nearby lake.  I call bullshit.

Well, it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 00:43:53 +1100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go
wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

CO will produce headache, nausea/vomiting and unconsciousness. Check for
the gums, fingernails and corners of eyes going cherry-red: that is
caused by carboxyhaemoglobin, in which the haemoglobin in the blood
binds preferentially with the CO, instead of the O2 which it is supposed
to bind with. Carb-haem is very bright red: much more so than with
normal blood, even oxygenated blood straight from the lungs before it
has gone to the organs/muscles.

CO2 tends to cause increased respiration because the body\'s natural
reaction is to try to breathe more in the hope of getting enough O2.
It\'s why pure O2 (or O2+N2 with no CO2) in scuba breathing apparatus is
a bad thing: the body needs *some* CO2 to stimulate breathing. To much
CO2 will lead to unconsciousness but as I understand it, it is not
poisonous as such, so a few breaths of normal air is enough to revive a
person. CO is much more dangerous than CO2 because removal of CO and
breathing of normal O2 will not immediately make the haem give up the CO
that is bound to it.


My parents had a scare about 20 years ago. They have a holiday cottage
in Yorkshire which is heated partly by a coke/wood stove. Some friends
were staying there and one of them woke up in the night feeling dizzy
and sick. Luckily she was a nurse and recognised CO poisoning so she got
everyone out and opened the windows. The stove flue had got partly
blocked by a bird\'s nest during the months that no-one was lighting
fires. My parents felt very guilty and bought several CO detectors. They
have also had a cowl fitted which prevents birds getting in and nesting.

Mate of mine came within an ace of killing himself. He was testing an
unvented
gas heater that was temporarily in his main room in winter. It worked fine
so
since it was quite a cold day, left it running. His DiL rang him and when
he
didnt answer a couple of times when he was expected to, came around in
person and found him unconscious. She is a senior nurse and knew what
the problem was likely to be. Pure fluke that she happened to ring him
then.

Took a long time to recover fully.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 12/11/2022 13:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2022-11-12 11:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:34:41 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 20:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 14:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 13:43:53 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:


To much CO2 will lead to
unconsciousness but as I understand it, it is not poisonous as such,
so a
few breaths of normal air is enough to revive a person.

Apparently people have died in their sleep from CO2 suddenly coming
from a nearby lake.  I call bullshit.

Well, it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster

Not only is it true, but i got close enough to it to realize how easy it
would be, when on a school visit to a brewery I put my head below the
rim of a fermentation tank to smell the brew and got a lungful of
pure CO2.

To breathe in and have it feel like you haven\'t, is extremely scary.

But you noticed the problem and moved to somewhere with less of it,
unlike the morons that died.

They couldn\'t. The entire valley was full with CO2, for miles.

Did you read the articles?

*I* have and I can absolutely understand it. I wouldn\'t have lasted more
than 15 seconds in a pure CO2 atmosphere and I knew it.

Every year or so someone dies in a farm tank or fuel tank that hasn\'t
been ventilated.



>

--
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 23:40, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:38:59 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 09/11/2022 00:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:27:33 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

We heat our kettle with gas. All that heat winds up in the house,
which usually needs it. An open flame is a more efficient heater than
a gas furnace; no heat is vented.

Even resistive heating is better than a furnace.  Except for gas being
cheaper for some reason.

I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to
the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.  It\'s
a waste.

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because the exhaust gasses can not be colder than the hot water output.

With a heat pump, they can. Imagine a boost converter.

Guess why this is not massively used.
--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-11 14:39, Tim+ wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-10 22:58, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I checked. These stoves do not produce it,

A properly functioning heater doesn’t make CO. The problem comes when they
stop working properly. Any appliance that burns hydrocarbons can make CO
if the air supply is restricted for any reason, fluff build up in the air
inlet.

In that case, I can clearly see that the flame is not blue and I would
do something about it.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 12/11/2022 20:09, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2022-11-12 19:11, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:18:52 AM UTC-8, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 13:32:17 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-12 11:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:34:41 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 20:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 14:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Apparently people have died in their sleep from CO2 suddenly coming
from a nearby lake. I call bullshit.

Well, it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster

Not only is it true, but i got close enough to it to realize how
easy it
would be, when on a school visit to a brewery I put my head below the
rim of a fermentation tank to smell the brew and got a lungful of
pure
CO2.

To breathe in and have it feel like you haven\'t, is extremely scary.

But you noticed the problem and moved to somewhere with less of it,
unlike the morons that died.

They couldn\'t. The entire valley was full with CO2, for miles.

Did you read the articles?

Pah, just breathe faster. Survival of the fittest.

Ignorance isn\'t a survival trait.   Read about it, or at least think.

Not only is oxygen (molecular weight 32)  displaced by CO2, it is
displaced UPWARD because the CO2 molecular weight is higher (44)
making it a denser gas.   Unless you get out of the valley lowland,
which is
now full of CO2, you die.   That\'s what happened.

And getting out of the valley could take half an hour, if you had a
bottle of air to breath meanwhile.

Yes, the speed of the CO2 flooding would probably have been faster than
you could run.

Like smoke inhalation in a fire.

>

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don\'t think.

Adolf Hitler

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:38:59 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

On 09/11/2022 00:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:35:03 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 08/11/2022 01:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:27:33 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

We heat our kettle with gas. All that heat winds up in the house,
which usually needs it. An open flame is a more efficient heater
than
a gas furnace; no heat is vented.

Even resistive heating is better than a furnace.  Except for gas
being
cheaper for some reason.

I find it hard to believe that you don\'t realise that this is due to
the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s
a waste.

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because the exhaust gasses can not be colder than the hot water output.
For heating a house 60°C or less is good. For hot water, 45°C is enough.
For a power station, you need to boil the water at elevated pressures.

There must be some kind of heat exchanger system they could use.  Or
another use for the warm gases.  Heat the neighbouring village with
steam or water?

Well, this is already done.

Have a thermal engine generator generate electricity, and use the
exhaust gases to heat the area.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:04:16 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered


> Well, this is already done.

Like what? You sucking him, you dumb cocksucking spick?