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John Larkin
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:29:44 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Yes. Late-70s.
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Yes. Late-70s.
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Commander Kinsey
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:40:07 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
Ah, I assumed it wasn\'t a recount of such a long time ago.
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:29:44 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:47:13 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 22:30:36 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-06, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <op.1u73hbz8mvhs6z@ryzen.home>, CK1@nospam.com says...
Not necessarily. We have a \"guaranteed\" minimum and maximum supply
voltage. Why should a company spend extra designing and installing
protection against supplies (not temporary aberrations) outside them?
Because other things could cause lower voltage, like a wiring fault in the device or the building. Especially in dual voltage countries like the US where you can lose one live.
If the neutral line is lost or a bad connection the line voltage in a
house could have one side to be very low and the other side very high in
the US system.
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
That happened to me once. We had 90 and 135 vrms on various outlets.
The PG&E guys didn\'t want to believe me but I finally convenced them
(some of the lights were BRIGHT)
Incandescent?!
Yes. Late-70s.
Ah, I assumed it wasn\'t a recount of such a long time ago.
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Guest
tirsdag den 8. november 2022 kl. 02.32.01 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
around here everyone has got three phases, much more sensible
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 22:54:25 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
mandag den 7. november 2022 kl. 20.49.34 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
We have two phases 120-N-120
Ackchyually ..
if they 180 degrees apart (240V between two hots) it is it is split phase and doesn\'t count as different phases
Americans just like to boast. Y\'all got 2 phases here! British folk don\'t do that!
around here everyone has got three phases, much more sensible
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:48:45 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors? What\'s the total kW you can draw? Isn\'t it annoying to try to share it equally between the phases?
tirsdag den 8. november 2022 kl. 02.32.01 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 22:54:25 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
mandag den 7. november 2022 kl. 20.49.34 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
We have two phases 120-N-120
Ackchyually ..
if they 180 degrees apart (240V between two hots) it is it is split phase and doesn\'t count as different phases
Americans just like to boast. Y\'all got 2 phases here! British folk don\'t do that!
around here everyone has got three phases, much more sensible
Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors? What\'s the total kW you can draw? Isn\'t it annoying to try to share it equally between the phases?
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:22:02 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Ah, this was it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008â2014_Spanish_financial_crisis
On 2022-11-08 00:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 09:57:25 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 02:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:45:14 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 00:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:45:03 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:06:29 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-06 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Do you really want a meter which can overread by a factor of 5, in
particular on eco-stuff like LED lights!
Where do you get that idea?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4288180/Smart-meters-readings-SEVEN-times-high.html
\"smart meters can give readings that are SEVEN times too high
because
dimmer switches and LED bulbs confuse the devices
Smart meters can be confused by modern dimmer switches and LED bulbs
Meters come up with readings that are 582 per cent higher than they
should be
It comes after an SSE had to apologise to customers earlier this
week
after malfunctioning smart meters handed them bills for as much as
£44,000 a day
The Government wants them installed in all 26million homes by 2020\"
That last line, ROFL! It\'s now 2022 and only half of us have one.
Well, no such thing here. This is a modern country :-D
Didn\'t you recently have a terrible poverty? About a decade ago?
Nope.
Spain, right? I watched a Top Gear episode about 10 years ago which
showed completely empty areas of Spain where you\'d all moved out.
LOL.
Are you telling me that never happened?
Never heard of it.
Ah, this was it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008â2014_Spanish_financial_crisis
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:20:06 -0000, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
Wimp. I take it you mean these?
https://youtu.be/cNjA0aee07k
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 10:56:41 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 02:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:44:28 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 00:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:42:56 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
What do you need that much electricity for, you run a forge at home?
:-D
An electric shower is 9kW.
Mine is zero, it runs on butane gas.
Unusual.
Not here.
Here, an electrical water flash heater is very uncommon.
The \"widow maker\" epectric shower-heaters
Wimp. I take it you mean these?
https://youtu.be/cNjA0aee07k
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:35:33 -0000, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
Mmmmmm.... simple UK single voltage, no silly voltages from breakages. You really do not need two different voltages in your house. Why are Americans so terminally stupid? The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
You were lucky to have a good \"safety ground\" which is bonded to the
neutral. This is the green wire in American electrical services The
\"pig\" neutral is grounded. and your service panel neutral is grounded.
A high resistance ground and a significant load inbalance would cause
one side of the panel to go high, and the other low. A low resistance
ground and/or a reasonably well balanced load you would not notice the
voltage diferential. Broken ground AND neutral?? HUGE problems
Mmmmmm.... simple UK single voltage, no silly voltages from breakages. You really do not need two different voltages in your house. Why are Americans so terminally stupid? The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:24:17 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
The plan is to underground all the wiring here. Check back in a
hundred years or so.
The standard lot in SF is 24 feet wide. The thermals are good, since
only the houses on the ends of the block lose any heat on their long
sides.
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/07v3z5hyg8zv4b1/20200812_181715.jpg?raw=1
Nice. I can see where a crowded city like SF would end up like that.
I live in an exurban \"neighborhood\" of 1- and 2-acre lots, carved
out from cornfields just after WWII.
The plan is to underground all the wiring here. Check back in a
hundred years or so.
The standard lot in SF is 24 feet wide. The thermals are good, since
only the houses on the ends of the block lose any heat on their long
sides.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:03:16 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
The garage door is to the right of the pole. We don\'t really have
\"driveways\" here.
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:53:05 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1
Is that pole actually in someone\'s driveway?!
The garage door is to the right of the pole. We don\'t really have
\"driveways\" here.
Some new (about 10 year old) houses were built near me. They have everything underground except the phone wires. Did they forget or what? https://goo.gl/maps/GiWUy1MmMdaevnfr9
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:00:04 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
Ugh. So you can hear next door\'s stereo.
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:24:17 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/07v3z5hyg8zv4b1/20200812_181715.jpg?raw=1
Nice. I can see where a crowded city like SF would end up like that.
I live in an exurban \"neighborhood\" of 1- and 2-acre lots, carved
out from cornfields just after WWII.
The plan is to underground all the wiring here. Check back in a
hundred years or so.
The standard lot in SF is 24 feet wide. The thermals are good, since
only the houses on the ends of the block lose any heat on their long
sides.
Ugh. So you can hear next door\'s stereo.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:06:04 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
What is the black car parked on?
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:03:16 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:53:05 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1
Is that pole actually in someone\'s driveway?!
The garage door is to the right of the pole. We don\'t really have
\"driveways\" here.
What is the black car parked on?
D
DJ Delorie
Guest
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:
> Why are Americans so terminally stupid?
Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses, but
American houses have no live wires more than 120V away from ground.
Granted, 120V is still dangerous, but it\'s less dangerous than 240V. So
one has to ask, why do you allow such dangerously high voltages in your
house?
> The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.
The rest of the world, however, has verbs.
> Why are Americans so terminally stupid?
Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses, but
American houses have no live wires more than 120V away from ground.
Granted, 120V is still dangerous, but it\'s less dangerous than 240V. So
one has to ask, why do you allow such dangerously high voltages in your
house?
> The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.
The rest of the world, however, has verbs.
J
Jasen Betts
Guest
On 2022-11-06, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
No. most devices will use the same.
Anything with a thermostat will use the same power, (same energy just
spread over a longer period - same average power)
Anything with a regulated powersupply will use the same power.
The only things that won\'t are fixed loads like lighting (but they
will be dimmer - so users may be encouraged to turn on more lights)
If you turn down the frequency then pumps and elevators will run slower,
but there will still be the same amount of fluid needing to be to pumped
and the same number of passengers.
With any kind of service it\'s best to assume that demand will be fixed
unless you can get make some of the customers quit, eg. by increasing
the price, or rolling outages.
--
Jasen.
Instead of rolling blackouts when there\'s a power shortage, why
don\'t we just allow (or deliberately) the voltage and frequency to
drop? Wouldn\'t that make a lot of devices use less?
No. most devices will use the same.
Anything with a thermostat will use the same power, (same energy just
spread over a longer period - same average power)
Anything with a regulated powersupply will use the same power.
The only things that won\'t are fixed loads like lighting (but they
will be dimmer - so users may be encouraged to turn on more lights)
If you turn down the frequency then pumps and elevators will run slower,
but there will still be the same amount of fluid needing to be to pumped
and the same number of passengers.
With any kind of service it\'s best to assume that demand will be fixed
unless you can get make some of the customers quit, eg. by increasing
the price, or rolling outages.
--
Jasen.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:11:14 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
No, we can\'t.
The loud noises here are mostly from birds. The noisiest are the
flocks of wild parrots. And Big Daddy, a raven about the size of a
turkey.
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:00:04 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:24:17 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/07v3z5hyg8zv4b1/20200812_181715.jpg?raw=1
Nice. I can see where a crowded city like SF would end up like that.
I live in an exurban \"neighborhood\" of 1- and 2-acre lots, carved
out from cornfields just after WWII.
The plan is to underground all the wiring here. Check back in a
hundred years or so.
The standard lot in SF is 24 feet wide. The thermals are good, since
only the houses on the ends of the block lose any heat on their long
sides.
Ugh. So you can hear next door\'s stereo.
No, we can\'t.
The loud noises here are mostly from birds. The noisiest are the
flocks of wild parrots. And Big Daddy, a raven about the size of a
turkey.
S
server
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:54:46 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Yes, indeed.
>Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors?
In my country house I currently have only one pump, which require
three phases. My electric sauna and electric stove are wired for three
phases, but could be wired for single phase. In my top floor city
apartment I have three phases, currently powering only the electric
stove
> What\'s the total kW you can draw?
With 3x25 A main fuses 17 kW and with 3x35A 24 kW.
Isn\'t it annoying to try to share it equally between the phases?
With up to 50 houses powered by a single transformer, the loads are
quite naturally spread between phases.
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:48:45 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
tirsdag den 8. november 2022 kl. 02.32.01 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 22:54:25 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
mandag den 7. november 2022 kl. 20.49.34 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
We have two phases 120-N-120
Ackchyually ..
if they 180 degrees apart (240V between two hots) it is it is split phase and doesn\'t count as different phases
Americans just like to boast. Y\'all got 2 phases here! British folk don\'t do that!
around here everyone has got three phases, much more sensible
Yes, indeed.
>Depends. Do you have 3 phase motors?
In my country house I currently have only one pump, which require
three phases. My electric sauna and electric stove are wired for three
phases, but could be wired for single phase. In my top floor city
apartment I have three phases, currently powering only the electric
stove
> What\'s the total kW you can draw?
With 3x25 A main fuses 17 kW and with 3x35A 24 kW.
Isn\'t it annoying to try to share it equally between the phases?
With up to 50 houses powered by a single transformer, the loads are
quite naturally spread between phases.
G
Gerhard Hoffmann
Guest
Am 08.11.22 um 05:40 schrieb DJ Delorie:
Because here in .de I have 3 * 240V, 120° apart around GND and
my induction stove yields 7.5 KW for each of the front pots.
Essential when Gerhard wants spaghettis NOW using 4 liters of
cold water. That works even better than gas.
Cheers, Gerhard
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:
Why are Americans so terminally stupid?
Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses, but
American houses have no live wires more than 120V away from ground.
Granted, 120V is still dangerous, but it\'s less dangerous than 240V. So
one has to ask, why do you allow such dangerously high voltages in your
house?
Because here in .de I have 3 * 240V, 120° apart around GND and
my induction stove yields 7.5 KW for each of the front pots.
Essential when Gerhard wants spaghettis NOW using 4 liters of
cold water. That works even better than gas.
Cheers, Gerhard
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:11:45 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
It\'s just parked on the street. The grey one just uphill seems to be
blocking the garage, which is probably the house owner himself. It\'s
legal to block your own garage.
San Bruno is a 90-degree parking street. I park there and walk over
the footbridge, over I80, to work. Good exercise.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxa9jyrbeur4fvu/TheBenches.JPG?raw=1
This is an interesting place. A real, dense city that\'s still part
wilderness.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnfp7yorjd7sihp/Glen_Canyon_Sunday.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh6xbbtepex64li/Harry_4.jpg?raw=1
I couldn\'t stand living in NYC or Boston or LA.
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 04:06:04 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 01:03:16 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:53:05 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:08:29 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2022-11-07, upsidedown@downunder.com <upsidedown@downunder.com> wrote:
Funny you should mention that. Our neutral broke in high winds
yesterday. Both remaining legs seem to be well balanced.
Was this in the US with \"pigs\" in the poles ?
It\'s in the U.S.
To my understanding the medium voltage feed is three phase open wire
in delta configuration (no neutral). The \"pig\" is a single phase
transformer with the primary connected between two phase wires in the
medium voltage feed. The third phase wire is not used by this
transformer, but most likely in the next pig. The secondary is center
tapped with 2 x 120 V. The cent re tap is connected to neutral and
ground.
Are you sure that the wire between pig secondary CT to your house
neutral was broken ?
I could see both ends of the break. The entire bundle of wires
is one of these:
https://www.prioritywire.com/specs/Triplex%20Service%20Drop.pdf
The uninsulated \"messenger\" line was broken. The power company
came by yesterday evening and repaired the break.
I\'m working on a photo album of hideous poles and wiring in San
Francisco. I\'ll post a link eventually.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2rru9af75rr4dw/P4.jpg?raw=1
Is that pole actually in someone\'s driveway?!
The garage door is to the right of the pole. We don\'t really have
\"driveways\" here.
What is the black car parked on?
It\'s just parked on the street. The grey one just uphill seems to be
blocking the garage, which is probably the house owner himself. It\'s
legal to block your own garage.
San Bruno is a 90-degree parking street. I park there and walk over
the footbridge, over I80, to work. Good exercise.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxa9jyrbeur4fvu/TheBenches.JPG?raw=1
This is an interesting place. A real, dense city that\'s still part
wilderness.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnfp7yorjd7sihp/Glen_Canyon_Sunday.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh6xbbtepex64li/Harry_4.jpg?raw=1
I couldn\'t stand living in NYC or Boston or LA.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:40:10 -0500, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:
The plugs in the UK are about as big as a cat. They have fuses inside.
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:
Why are Americans so terminally stupid?
Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses, but
American houses have no live wires more than 120V away from ground.
Granted, 120V is still dangerous, but it\'s less dangerous than 240V. So
one has to ask, why do you allow such dangerously high voltages in your
house?
The rest of the fucking world doesn\'t this centre tap bullshit.
The rest of the world, however, has verbs.
The plugs in the UK are about as big as a cat. They have fuses inside.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 04:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
With lots of generation available, there\'s no problem.
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
On 2022-11-06, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Instead of rolling blackouts when there\'s a power shortage, why
don\'t we just allow (or deliberately) the voltage and frequency to
drop? Wouldn\'t that make a lot of devices use less?
No. most devices will use the same.
Anything with a thermostat will use the same power, (same energy just
spread over a longer period - same average power)
Anything with a regulated powersupply will use the same power.
The only things that won\'t are fixed loads like lighting (but they
will be dimmer - so users may be encouraged to turn on more lights)
If you turn down the frequency then pumps and elevators will run slower,
but there will still be the same amount of fluid needing to be to pumped
and the same number of passengers.
With any kind of service it\'s best to assume that demand will be fixed
unless you can get make some of the customers quit, eg. by increasing
the price, or rolling outages.
With lots of generation available, there\'s no problem.
P
Peeler
Guest
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:07:24 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:
> No, we can\'t.
Doing again what you can do best: sucking troll-cock, you demented senile
sucker of troll cock?
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:
> No, we can\'t.
Doing again what you can do best: sucking troll-cock, you demented senile
sucker of troll cock?