Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

[Peeler]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 20:06:04 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

The garage door is to the right of the pole. We don\'t really have
\"driveways\" here.

But your big mouth is always hermetically glued to the unwashed Scottish
wanker\'s cock, you demented troll-feeding senile shithead!

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:24:16 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> It\'s just parked on the street.

Nope, senile cocksucker! You just sucked troll cock again, you useless piece
of senile shit!

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:40:10 -0500, DJ Delorie, another demented
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Why are Americans so terminally stupid?

Well, America and UK both have 240V service in their houses,

For fuck\'s sake: you are dealing with a PROVEN clinically insane, retarded
troll, wanker and attention whore! You senile assholes can all be THAT
senile! <tsk>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 07:17:01 +0200, upsidedown@downunder.com, another
mentally deficient, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed: HE\'s a KNOWN trolling attention whore, whereas YOU are a
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE. No buts about it!

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 17:40:07 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Yes. Late-70s.

How about you removing your thick head from the troll\'s arse some time,
troll-feeding senile asshole?

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 01:20:33 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain dead
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered


> We never bought it from Russia, anyway. Just a testimonial 5% or so.

So for how long will all this sick shit here still go on? A few weeks? A few
months? For as long as the Scottish wanker will keep baiting you? <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 01:22:02 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain dead
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered


> Never heard of it.

Yeah, senile ASSHOLE keep entertaining the troll! You ARE that retarded!
<BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 04:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts, another mentally
handicapped troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> No. most devices will use the same.

Yet another senile asshole feels the irresistible urge to bed with that
unwashed wanker and attention whore. It must be the Scottish wanker\'s
special \"odour\" (he was reported to be of the \"smelly\" kind\" by someone who
had met him in real life) that makes him so irresistible to all these senile
assholes infesting these groups. LOL

 

[Martin Brown]

On 08/11/2022 05:30, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 04:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2022-11-06, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Instead of rolling blackouts when there\'s a power shortage, why
don\'t we just allow (or deliberately) the voltage and frequency to
drop? Wouldn\'t that make a lot of devices use less?

No. most devices will use the same.

Anything with a thermostat will use the same power, (same energy just
spread over a longer period - same average power)
Anything with a regulated powersupply will use the same power.

The only things that won\'t are fixed loads like lighting (but they
will be dimmer - so users may be encouraged to turn on more lights)

If you turn down the frequency then pumps and elevators will run slower,
but there will still be the same amount of fluid needing to be to pumped
and the same number of passengers.

With any kind of service it\'s best to assume that demand will be fixed
unless you can get make some of the customers quit, eg. by increasing
the price, or rolling outages.

With lots of generation available, there\'s no problem.

The problem in the UK is that something like 60% of peak winter power
generation is from gas and we have a massive storage capacity of just 10
days supply of natural gas due to government penny pinching in 2017.

They have just brought Rough back online at a fraction of original
capacity and that will just about double capacity when operational. To
put it into perspective Germany has about 80 days gas storage all full.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63477214

This is the relevant paragraph of why the UK is in a mess with gas:

\"Gas dependency
For decades now, UK governments have bet on gas to keep the lights on
and our homes warm.

Our appetite grew in the 1990s, when a fossil-fuel frenzy in the North
Sea set off what was dubbed the \"dash for gas\". As that dash slowed to a
stroll, the UK became a net importer of gas in 2004 and reliant on
supplies from friendly countries such as Norway.

Adam Bell, who was head of government energy strategy until last year,
said there was an assumption that global supplies of gas \"were always
going to be deep\".

Mr Bell said the government \"wasn\'t thinking of potential downside
scenarios\", leaving the UK vulnerable to this year\'s stratospheric rise
in gas prices.

Did anyone see this coming earlier? Brian Wilson, who served as an
energy minister in Tony Blair\'s Labour government from 2001 to 2003,
claims he did.\"

We have about the same amount of gas stored as tiny Belgium or Denmark!

Note that in the graph for energy generated by fuel type it is showing
total energy time averaged across a year. In mid winter it is 60% gas
with solar barely making any contribution and wind only when it blows.

They are un-mothballing coal fired plant as we speak...

UK is currently serving as a European LNG to pipeline transfer station
since mainland Europe is short of facilities to handle LNG tankers. Even
so there are a lot of tankers sat off shore waiting to unload...

We may have to buy it back later at eye watering spot market prices if
it is a cold winter (it\'s that or rolling power cuts - possibly both!).


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2022-11-14 22:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:48:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 10:43:50 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/11/2022 13:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-12 11:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:34:41 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 20:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-11 14:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 13:43:53 -0000, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:22p14j-2u9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor...
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:


To much CO2 will lead to
unconsciousness but as I understand it, it is not poisonous as
such,
so a
few breaths of normal air is enough to revive a person.

Apparently people have died in their sleep from CO2 suddenly
coming
from a nearby lake.  I call bullshit.

Well, it is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limnic_eruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster

Not only is it true, but i got close enough to it to realize how
easy it
would be, when on a school visit to a brewery I put my head below
the
rim of a fermentation tank to smell the brew and got a lungful of
pure CO2.

To breathe in and have it feel like you haven\'t, is extremely scary.

But you noticed the problem and moved to somewhere with less of it,
unlike the morons that died.

They couldn\'t. The entire valley was full with CO2, for miles.

Did you read the articles?


*I* have and I can absolutely understand it. I wouldn\'t have lasted
more
than 15 seconds in a pure CO2 atmosphere and I knew it.

Every year or so someone dies in  a farm tank or fuel tank that hasn\'t
been ventilated.

See when you\'re having trouble breathing, move.

Yeah, sure.

Some of us have brains.

But not you

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Bob F]

On 11/12/2022 2:42 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2022-11-12 22:48, Bob F wrote:
On 11/12/2022 12:06 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 14:58:57 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Mark Lloyd
not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 11/10/22 05:51, Max Demian wrote:

[snip]

I know why it happens, just not why people use a furnace with gas.
It\'s a waste.

Waste of what? If you heat with electricity heat is wasted in the
cooling towers of the power station .

and in transmission lines.

Power stations should be closer to houses.

If you have an unused swimming pool in the basement of your apartment
building, just throw in a small research reactor (100 kW to 1 MW) and
you have heating for the winter

I visited a swimming pool reactor on a field trip while in high
school. It was really something to stand on the side of this deep pool
of very clear water and see the glowing elements at the bottom, know
what it was causing the glow.

I\'m curious.

Do they have to add chemicals to the water, to keep it clear, no algae
or bacteria? Or simply the radiation keeps it \"clean\"?

I believe it included \"heavy water\". Probably as pure of water as you
could find in any case, which probably would not contain many nutrients
for anything to grow.

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:43:32 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

What about hand washing and manual washing up? Do you have instant
heaters for the sink/basin(s)?

What about keeping your sick shit out of these 3 ngs, you dumb sick
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE?

 

[Bob F]

On 11/11/2022 9:38 AM, Max Demian wrote:

On 11/11/2022 17:30, Bob F wrote:
On 11/11/2022 3:13 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 22:53, Bob F wrote:
On 11/10/2022 10:44 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:51, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-10 13:07, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\".  Refrigerated food is damaged
when frozen.  It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of
the fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed
there but it freezes instead.

This happens when the fridge can not cope with the load.

It can be the fridge is simply a bad design. The evaporator or
cold surface is too small. It can be that the door is opened too
many times. That the door doesn\'t close tight. Summer (or house
heating to high). Whatever.

No, it\'s because the thermostat is faulty or badly calibrated.
Every few days the compressor *might* turn off, usually for about
three hours. I can live with it.


No, it\'s because the ice is keeping the cold air from the freezer
from getting to the refer section.

It\'s always behaved like that, including just after a full defrost.


Did a \"full defrost\" include at least 24 hours of defrosting, and
making sure the defrost system is fully working?

What defrost system? I just turned it off using the knob inside, which
is also supposed to control the temperature (but doesn\'t). Takes 4-5
hours for all the ice in the freezer part to melt.

The ice hidden in the passages behind the plastic may take way more time
than that.

 

[Bob F]

On 11/11/2022 10:07 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes:
On 11/11/2022 17:35, Bob F wrote:
On 11/11/2022 3:14 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 10/11/2022 22:52, Bob F wrote:
On 11/10/2022 4:07 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 09/11/2022 00:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 12:50:43 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 07/11/2022 23:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 11:46:03 -0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 19:49, Bob F wrote:
On 11/6/2022 9:53 AM, Max Demian wrote:

Actually my fridge freezer might as well not have one as it
rarely
turns off. Ice forms inside the fridge part and you can just
about
freeze vodka in an ice cube tray so it must be about -25C.

Have you considered adjusting it?

It\'s set to 1, which is next to off, so I assume that\'s the minimum
refrigeration.

Sounds like the thermostat is fucked, will your landlord replace it?

I don\'t know as it does still work as an FF. I\'m not too bothered
with
it as it is.

\"Ice forms in the fridge part\".  Refrigerated food is damaged when
frozen.  It\'s not fit for purpose.

It doesn\'t freeze the food, even milk. The ice is on the back of the
fridge part. There is a drain to get rid of water condensed there
but it freezes instead.


Is the defrost circuitry working?

It doesn\'t have one that I know of. How would I know?


Use the magic google. Model #, and \"defrost\" or \"defrost timer\" or
\"defrost heater\", or look at the parts list.

It doesn\'t have a label saying what make or model it is. Maybe at the
back, but I don\'t want to pull it out. Might stop working.

In almost all cases, you\'ll find a label with the model number
in the refrigerator section, generally on the hinge side of the
interior wall just inside the door.

Exactly the case on mine.

 

[Bob F]

On 11/11/2022 9:41 AM, Vir Campestris wrote:

On 11/11/2022 14:28, NY wrote:
In our present house we have normal gas central heating, but there is
a large stove in which we burn wood and peat to heat that part of the
house so we can reduce the gas CH heating needed. Although we have to
buy peat bricks and sawdust bricks, we\'ve not needed to buy any logs
for several years because we are still using up tree branches from
when we pruned trees, and just as we were thinking that we\'d have no
wood for the year after next, a big tree blew down in a gale this
summer so it will provide us with lots of firewood - which reminds me,
I need to cut some of the longer lengths into stove-sized logs and
work out how to split them diametrically. A proper *sharp* axe is
needed: the present one just embeds itself firmly in the log and
doesn\'t actually split the wood at all. Time to find someone with a
grinder to sharpen the axe!  If we can heat the house \"for free\" with
our own wood, why pay for extra gas for the CH?

I\'m told that for the logs you need a grenade. No, not a Mills bomb but

https://www.google.com/search?q=log+grenade

Andy

Or any old splitting maul which is a lot better than a much lighter axe.
Add a splitting wedge or the grenade for tough chunks.

 

[Tim+]

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

- which reminds me, I need to cut some of the longer lengths into
stove-sized logs and work out how to split them diametrically. A proper
*sharp* axe is needed: the present one just embeds itself firmly in the log
and doesn\'t actually split the wood at all. Time to find someone with a
grinder to sharpen the axe!

It’s not really sharpness that you need to spilt logs. The “obtuseness” of
the axe is probably more important.

If you look at proper log splitting axes they are much “blunter” in profile
that a chopping/cutting axe. This help to split the log open. A slim
profile sharp axe will just tend to embed itself as it doesn’t generate
enough force to separate the fibres of the wood and “burst” the log apart.

A combination of a proper log splitting axe, a smaller hatchet to use a a
easily placed wedge and a grenade will split most things.

Tim

--
Please don\'t feed the trolls

 

[Peter]

On 11/11/2022 9:36 AM, NY wrote:

\"Peter\" <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
news:tkllon$1plh$1@gioia.aioe.org...
On 11/11/2022 8:43 AM, NY wrote:

It\'s why pure O2 (or O2+N2 with no CO2) in scuba breathing apparatus
is a bad thing: the body needs *some* CO2 to stimulate breathing.

Speaking as someone who in the early 1980s became a fully qualified
Navy open water deep sea diver and Navy diving medical officer who
trained on multiple devices using multiple gas mixtures, CO2 was never
part of any of the gas mixtures. I\'m talking about normal scuba
(compressed air) as well as special diving mixes that combine various
ratios of pure oxygen and/or pure nitrogen and/or pure helium.  Normal
metabolism combined with the physiologic stress of diving plus the
work of breathing gases under pressures greater than 1 atmosphere
produces all the CO2 the brain needs to stimulate the breathing reflex.

If the exhaled air is re-breathed (combined with new air from the
cylinders) then I can imagine that the amount of CO2 that the body
produces is sufficient. The danger comes if all the exhaled air is
\"lost\" and not blended with the tank air: then you need to make sure
that the tank air has CO2 in it - which atmospheric air will do but a
mixture from oxygen and nitrogen tanks will not.

Absolutely wrong. I wouldn\'t be alive to write this if what you say
were true. The major health risk to a diver using a rebreather is a
failure of the CO2 scrubber, resulting in excessive CO2 in the
rebreathed air, toxicity, and a fatality if the diver can\'t surface.
Almost all rebreathers use \"nitrox\", a mixture of pure oxygen and pure
nitrogen. I know. I\'ve used these devices.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 11:51:21 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-09 01:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:09:05 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-08 01:26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:20:33 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-08 00:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 09:56:41 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 02:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:44:28 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-07 00:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
An electric cooker is 8kW.

Mine is 1.8 Kw, induction. Very fast.

Induction doesn\'t make it more than 100% efficient.

You are badly informed

Only a heatpump can give you more out than you put in. Just think
about
it.

Does everyone in
your country have cold food and cold showers or use gas?

Nope, nope, and maybe.

Sissies, sissies, and I thought the EU was banning gas?

We have so much gas that we have to tell gas ships to wait for
days to
be unloaded while we burn some gas to make free space to get more
gas :-D

Not what I heard - refusing to buy from Russia and Russia refusing to
sell it, etc.

We never bought it from Russia, anyway. Just a testimonial 5% or so.

Are you telling me the media used hype, exaggeration, and possibly even
downright lies?

so what is the current shortage about then?

In Spain? I\'m not aware of any.

Well, there is a shortage of electronics, so the car industry is
stalling. But that is not specific of Spain. There are other similar
shortages.

Gas? No shortage at all, we have more than we can use. Expensive, yes.
But no pipes to send that gas up to Germany, apparently France opposes.

You have heard of the war with Russia, right?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-rolls-out-plan-cut-russia-gas-dependency-this-year-end-it-within-decade-2022-03-08/

Yeah, so what?

The infrastructures are what they are, for whatever reasons. Spain has a
huge capacity to take gas, either from Argel or by tanker ships, but
basically no interconnecting pipes to the north to send it there. So now
we have stored gas enough to last the winter and more.

A pipe is going to be built, to Marseilles, after an agreement between
Portugal, Spain, and France. But that will take years to be operational.

Since Russia is the source of half the world\'s gas, when we refuse to buy it, or they won\'t let us, there isn\'t enough gas.

 

[Peter]

On 11/11/2022 9:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/11/2022 12:37, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 11/11/2022 11:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I checked. These stoves do not produce it, and the room has a little
forced ventilation anyway. Blue flame.

They come with a CO2 detector, though. If it triggers, the space is
not sufficiently ventilated, so the tiny amount of CO they might
produce does not build up.


https://www.leroymerlin.es/productos/calefaccion-y-climatizacion/estufas/estufas-de-gas/estufa-de-gas-de-llama-azul-equation-eco-de-4-2-kw-82273485.html

DOC: see page 5 (Spanish):

https://media.adeo.com/marketplace/LMES/82273485/2570508.pdf

No CO.

CO2 at a couple of percent might lead to shortage of breath, and be
pretty unpleasant.


I think in submarines the levels are routinely around 4-6%

CO2 simply suffocates you. I\'ve experienced that, briefly.

CO poisons you, but it gives you a headache first.


For CO the World Health Organisation reckon less than 10ppm long term.

That\'s 10 parts per million.

But it\'s your life.

And its my headache too.

Andy

Actually, the symptoms of CO poisoning is highly dependent on the
concentration of CO in the inhaled air. Relatively low but dangerous
concentrations will usually produce a headache and/or nausea as one of
the first symptoms. But extremely high levels can produce loss of
consciousness as the first symptom.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 12:01:19 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-09 01:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:14:00 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-08 03:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:22:02 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-08 00:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 09:57:25 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-07 02:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:45:14 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-07 00:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:45:03 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-07 00:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:06:29 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-06 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Do you really want a meter which can overread by
a factor of 5, in particular on eco-stuff like
LED lights!

Where do you get that idea?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4288180/Smart-meters-readings-SEVEN-times-high.html


\"smart meters can give readings that are SEVEN times too high
because dimmer switches and LED bulbs confuse the
devices Smart meters can be confused by modern dimmer
switches and LED bulbs Meters come up with readings
that are 582 per cent higher than they should be It
comes after an SSE had to apologise to customers
earlier this week after malfunctioning smart meters
handed them bills for as much as £44,000 a day The
Government wants them installed in all 26million
homes by 2020\"

That last line, ROFL! It\'s now 2022 and only half of
us have one.


Well, no such thing here. This is a modern country :-D

Didn\'t you recently have a terrible poverty? About a
decade ago?

Nope.

Spain, right? I watched a Top Gear episode about 10 years
ago which showed completely empty areas of Spain where you\'d
all moved out.

LOL.

Are you telling me that never happened?

Never heard of it.

Ah, this was it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–2014_Spanish_financial_crisis

Ah, that.

But that was not a \"terrible poverty\".

Maybe Clarkson exaggerated, but they filmed a huge city block completely
empty \"because of the poverty\" which they proceeded to race cars around.

I guess he got it wrong. There are city blocks empty because they built
a lot of houses that could not be sold when the bubble exploded, not
because of poverty.

Some builders had built new villages, that they could not sell. Some are
unfinished.

Many people in Spain \"store their money in bricks\", ie, buy houses as an
investment. Obviously when the bubble exploded, they stopped buying.

Then, the people working for the building spree were out of job, and
they could no longer pay their mortgage on their expensive homes and
lost them. Many had bought bigger and more expensive homes that would be
normal, because they were, temporarily, making a lot of money.

Generalized poverty? No way. A crisis, many people broken? yes.


As I said, this is a modern country. Basically the whole of Spain is
using smart meters, changed maybe ten years ago. And I saw nothing in
media about them being faulty.

They\'re (form your point of view) pointless, and a possible source of spying and control. Why would you be happy with this? They can turn off your power at will!