Is Anyone in Charge of the Response to COVID-19?

[bitrex]

On 3/21/2020 9:10 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 10:36 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:28:58 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to this point?

Cuomo and de Blasio hate each other. de Blasio said he was considering
a shelter in place order maybe 5 days ago. Cuomo shot it down, saying
that NY will never "quarantine". In other words, they were playing
word games, with Cuomo forcing de Blasio to back down. Cuomo is on a power
trip, where only king Cuomo can do those things. Then just days later
Cuomo did what de Blasio wanted to do just a bit earlier.

But if you want to look for the epic fail, that was Cuomo failing to
quarantine Westchester which had the first outbreak and was a hotspot.
That one Jewish laywer infected a whole bunch of people. What did
Cuomo do? He instituted a "containment zone", one mile radius, where
people were not supposed to have large gatherings. BFD. Meanwhile
people were not prevented from getting on the 7:05 commuter train
to NYC, which they did and took it right on into NYC, North Jersey too.
That's how NY got to 5700 in NYC, 8500 in the state. Westchester should
have been quarantined, as should the area in WA state with the hotspot.
There is a family here in NJ that was wiped out by that spread from
Westchester, a guy in North Jersey attened a family gathering here
infecting 10 more people. He and four of that family are dead, 3
in critical condition.



I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

I agree, tell Cuomo. He does like seeing himself talk, he's on TV all
the time, yapping away.


MA leadership doesn't seem to be doing much, Charlie Baker has said
they'll never quarantine or shelter in place or any of that stuff
either. Roads are crowded as always people just going about their
business, probably more so as grocery, banks, and drug stores are
running restricted hours I saw like 100 elderly people lined up outside
one the other day because with restricted hours they can't afford to pay
cashiers so there are only like 2 on duty. so much for restricting
gatherings of 25+ people.


A lot of businesses have signs up to hire more sales people.. Of course, I live deep in the Conservative south, where people are allowed to think for themselves.

If the consequences of Americans applying their high intellects to
utilize their best judgement in the majority of cases were limited to
themselves it's an entirely reasonable across-the-board policy, however
it sadly always seems to be the other driver that gets killed by a
drunk, never the drunk, he's real relaxed at impact. Probably mulling
over how much better he drives after he's had a few.

I never knew my maternal grandfather he was killed by a drunk before I
was born who survived, did some piddly amount of time because he knew
somebody who knew somebody, and went on to meet his grandkids no
problem. Typical.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/21/2020 9:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:10:51 PM UTC+11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 10:36 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:28:58 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

snip

A lot of businesses have signs up to hire more sales people.. Of course, I live deep in the Conservative south, where people are allowed to think for themselves.

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming to the wrong conclusion.

Tell Real Patriot Americans that if they agree to suspend their freedom
and the Constitution in exchange for all illegal immigrants being put
into camps they'll fall all over themselves to sign on the line immediately.

Imagine their surprise on the day they find themselves in the same place.

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:eb434417-8aee-47a7-b2e9-e64b5652bdab@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:10:51 PM UTC+11, Michael Terrell
wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 10:36 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:28:58 AM UTC-4, Rick C
wrote:

snip

A lot of businesses have signs up to hire more sales people.. Of
course, I live deep in the Conservative south, where people are
allowed to think for themselves.

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think
constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they
need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a
habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming
to the wrong conclusion.

Don't forget spring break. Now all those INTERMIXED kids get to
take their intermixion back to their respective hometowns. Just what
the nation needed.

 

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?
It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

We are still early in the Covid-19 season (as compared to the flu); so, hard to see the effect for some people.

Covid-19 is 2x to 3x more infectious (especially those without symptoms) as the flu, 20x to 50x more deadly, live outside hosts for days and air-borne (WHO is now confirming this).

 

[bitrex]

On 3/21/2020 8:48 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote in
news:ebd3df57-1c1b-4962-b6ee-70e9f4590635@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 6:03:49 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Especially telling was Trump's response to the reporter's
question of what to say to people who are afraid. That was his
opportunity to talk to the people and reassure them. Nope, not
Trump.

Trump's probably working 22 hours a day on this Coronavirus thing.
I'm inclined to give him a pass on it.


Bullshit, boy! Trump has been snotty with the press his entire
tenure. FACT IS... HE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

AND I guarantee the lazy jackass gets 6 hrs a day to sleep and
several hours a day ion the waking day to 'rest' away from the grind
too. You are pathetic to think that lazy bastard actually responds
to the nation's needs.

THERE IS NO TIME EVER WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE LOST HIS COOL AND NOT
BEEN DIPLOMATIC IN RESPONSE.

YOU DIG YOU STUPID FUCK!

NOT ONCE, NOT EVER.

CONDUCT UNBECOMING.

Don't expect you to get it.

https://youtu.be/oAOLhi9qWPA

Not exactly Dwight Eisenhower on the eve of Normandy, this guy.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 1:26:32 PM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:48:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 11:23:19 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1
@coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political system
works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Hillary got three million more popular votes.

That's like the Yankees saying we got more home runs, but we lost the game.

Not exactly. In baseball the home run is the only thing that counts.

In US politics, votes get weighed according to the state in which they are counted. Trump isn't the first minority president, and may not even be the worst performing example of a fairly rare breed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[mpm]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:38:19 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

Not exactly. In baseball the home run is the only thing that counts.

In US politics, votes get weighed according to the state in which they are counted. Trump isn't the first minority president, and may not even be the worst performing example of a fairly rare breed.

Minor correction:

It is arguable whether we even count votes in Florida. (?)
At least not accurately.

So many problems.... Mostly, utter incompetence by election officials.

I'm sure there are a myriad of issues running a state-wide election with a voting-age population of nearly 16 million. But honestly, how hard can it be?

 

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:17:28 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?
It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

We are still early in the Covid-19 season (as compared to the flu); so, hard to see the effect for some people.

Covid-19 is 2x to 3x more infectious (especially those without symptoms) as the flu, 20x to 50x more deadly, live outside hosts for days and air-borne (WHO is now confirming this).

The Diamond Princess cruise petri dish, visible from our kitchen
window, was about as bad a disease environment as you can get. Less
than 20 per cent of people on board caught the virus. About half of
those had no symptoms. 7 people died out of 3700 passengers, all of
them over 70.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Epidemiology

Look at the chart halfway down. Why didn't those killers deserve 24/7
press and lockdowns?



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:17:33 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?
It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

We are still early in the Covid-19 season (as compared to the flu); so, hard to see the effect for some people.

Covid-19 is 2x to 3x more infectious (especially those without symptoms) as the flu, 20x to 50x more deadly, live outside hosts for days and air-borne (WHO is now confirming this).

Very clear and rational post. Is this SED??? Am I in the wrong newsgroup?

--

Rick C.

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On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:59:33 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:17:28 -0700 (PDT), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?
It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

We are still early in the Covid-19 season (as compared to the flu); so, hard to see the effect for some people.

Covid-19 is 2x to 3x more infectious (especially those without symptoms) as the flu, 20x to 50x more deadly, live outside hosts for days and air-borne (WHO is now confirming this).

The Diamond Princess cruise petri dish, visible from our kitchen
window, was about as bad a disease environment as you can get. Less
than 20 per cent of people on board caught the virus. About half of
those had no symptoms. 7 people died out of 3700 passengers, all of
them over 70.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Epidemiology

Look at the chart halfway down. Why didn't those killers deserve 24/7
press and lockdowns?

Those have been going on for many years. This is the first year for Covid-19. We can come back and compare them in a few years.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:19:49 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:eb434417-8aee-47a7-b2e9-e64b5652bdab@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:10:51 PM UTC+11, Michael Terrell
wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 10:36 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:28:58 AM UTC-4, Rick C
wrote:

snip

A lot of businesses have signs up to hire more sales people.. Of
course, I live deep in the Conservative south, where people are
allowed to think for themselves.

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think
constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they
need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a
habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming
to the wrong conclusion.


Don't forget spring break. Now all those INTERMIXED kids get to
take their intermixion back to their respective hometowns. Just what
the nation needed.

Like many government leaders, they are motivated by the dollar signs. The state of VA still has not closed restaurants from dining in as in many states. In FL and VA they like to close the barn door after the horse has bolted.

--

Rick C.

+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:8bc6ff86-1cb5-463b-9ad8-5e0a83d064cf@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ce98a8e2-e769-490a-86a2-73ef3248a4a8@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1 @coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in
charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John
Trump then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American
political system works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Obviously he doesn't, as he has stated that he does not know
what
impeachment is and proves constantly that he is devoid of
knowledge of the entire process. He has had to and needed to
have his hand held through each and every task he has taken on
from day one. You have no clue.

He killed all the previous manners of the operation of the
office
of the president, and committed federal crimes in shirking off
security clearance checks on his family members on his first day
in office. Decidedly, that behavior connotes a lack of knowledge
of the job, must less the entire governing body.

You ain't real bright, boy.

All he knows is how to act like an NYC Roy Cohn modeled
mobster shyster know nothing jackass.

Apparently you can do both.

Oh boy! Was that supposed to inflict some pain on me, child?
Your pathetic act needs work, punk.

I mentioned one thing and you come back with some lame shit
about
doing two things. BOTH WHAT, PUTZ? I only mentioned ONE THING.

HOAD, shithead!

Why are you complaining to me about Trump?

Grow the fuck up, you retarded little bitch. I was not
"complaining to you about Trump" You fucking word twist wannabe
putz. I posted about the STUPID SHIT YOU POSTED. BIG DIFFERENCE.
You skull is too thick, chump.

You say you're a
member of the Republican Party,

You like to keep barking this and then make some retarded lame
babay bullshit claims after. Good job of highlighting just how
fucking stupid you are, putz.

> so you're enabling him.

And the retarded claims commence.

Post your address. I want to introduce you to my baseball bat,
putz.

I quit
the party almost a year ago.

You are just a FAT fucking retard sitting on your computer posting
horseshit into an electronics group. You have no life, putz. You
are PUTZ epitomized.

If ten percent of Republicans did
that,

You are too fucking retarded to know whom or how many. Fuck you,
PUTZ!

the GOP would be in crisis and maybe they'd do something
about him, instead of running him for re-election with 90% of
Republicans approving.

You are an idiot and you were already told that your pathetic
Trumpanzee TrumpTainted numbers are wrong, you Trumpanzee dumbfuck.

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:1bdc5966-bb0b-4cff-a2df-370b5a935ace@googlegroups.com:

That's like the Yankees saying we got more home runs, but we lost
the game.

It is like you saying that you are a trader, when in fact you are an
overtly obese fat fuck, head fucked failure.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 10:24:00 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming to the wrong conclusion.

Whereas you have a habit of thinking for others.

Someone will do it if others don't do it for themselves.

--

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:ecAdG.438883$Mj1.427686
@fx39.iad:

On 3/21/2020 8:48 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote in
news:ebd3df57-1c1b-4962-b6ee-70e9f4590635@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 6:03:49 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Especially telling was Trump's response to the reporter's
question of what to say to people who are afraid. That was his
opportunity to talk to the people and reassure them. Nope, not
Trump.

Trump's probably working 22 hours a day on this Coronavirus
thing.
I'm inclined to give him a pass on it.


Bullshit, boy! Trump has been snotty with the press his entire
tenure. FACT IS... HE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

AND I guarantee the lazy jackass gets 6 hrs a day to sleep and
several hours a day ion the waking day to 'rest' away from the
grind
too. You are pathetic to think that lazy bastard actually
responds
to the nation's needs.

THERE IS NO TIME EVER WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE LOST HIS COOL AND
NOT
BEEN DIPLOMATIC IN RESPONSE.

YOU DIG YOU STUPID FUCK!

NOT ONCE, NOT EVER.

CONDUCT UNBECOMING.

Don't expect you to get it.

https://youtu.be/oAOLhi9qWPA

Not exactly Dwight Eisenhower on the eve of Normandy, this guy.

That was 100% staged. Did you hear them all pushing the praise
first. The motherfucker is so desparate about his failed image that
he now DEMANDS praise every time he is on TV. Look back last few
weeks, you'll see it.

We live in a very sad time in the history of the United States of
America. Conduct unbecoming on the part of so many.

And just like how the bad guy always seems to get away and never
jailed or imprisoned, they will slip past getting infected too.

Trump and his team, and his family and basketball teams, and other
favoritisms. And how many millions of all these moneies are going to
be pocketed by these jackasses and their "we're bringing it to market
now", and Trump talking about it all like it is a game and he is
winning. MARKET? THIS IS A CRISIS. THERE IS NO MARKET IN A CRISIS!

No crying in baseball and no retarded idiots in the white house. I
thought you ALL knew that!

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:53:45 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 4:34:51 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?

The roughly 100% susceptibility of individuals (no immunity from previous similar
strains), and the roughly 3:1 spread from each unaware-but-ill individual.

In combination, the rate of infection in cities is predictable, and outside
the range our medical establishments can cope with.

China figured this out months ago, and has broadcast their data (and solution); you
can read all about it.

But he won't. What he will read will either be ignored or misunderstood and distorted to support the conclusions he has already made.

I'm going to do everything I can to stay healthy. That's the only way to survive this crisis. In just two weeks our hospitals will be overrun with CV19 patients. In NY it may be just over one week. Who knows how long this will last? it is going to be bad no matter what. But the way we are handling it, or not handling it, is about as bad as it can be.

--

Rick C.

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[whit3rd]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 4:34:51 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?

The roughly 100% susceptibility of individuals (no immunity from previous similar
strains), and the roughly 3:1 spread from each unaware-but-ill individual.

In combination, the rate of infection in cities is predictable, and outside
the range our medical establishments can cope with.

China figured this out months ago, and has broadcast their data (and solution); you
can read all about it.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 4:34:33 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:53:45 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 4:34:51 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

> I'm going to do everything I can to stay healthy. That's the only way to survive this crisis. In just two weeks our hospitals will be overrun with CV19 patients. In NY it may be just over one week. Who knows how long this will last? it is going to be bad no matter what. But the way we are handling it, or not handling it, is about as bad as it can be.

You don't know that yet. Today's current cases got infected five days ago or more, and the latest tightening of lock-down hasn't shown up in the new case data yet.

I'm not optimistic - too few images of empty streets in the USA - but we don't know.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/03/21 7:38 p.m., Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 1:26:32 PM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:48:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 11:23:19 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1
@coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political system
works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Hillary got three million more popular votes.

That's like the Yankees saying we got more home runs, but we lost the game.

Not exactly. In baseball the home run is the only thing that counts.

No, it isn't.

You can indeed have more home runs than the other team but still lose
the game. All the other team has to do is get players on base and then
get at least one more player home than you to win...

One home run by team A, the rest strike out vs 2 players getting home
for Team B, and the rest strike out. Team B wins, even though Team A had
the home run.

It just isn't cricket!

John

 

[Andy Bennet]

On 21/03/2020 05:28, Rick C wrote:

I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to this point? I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

The one thing we can do to pull our asses out of the fire is to lock down the majorly hit areas so the hospitals are not overwhelmed and hopefully, save a lot of lives until we can either isolate all the cases and let it self-extinguish or a treatment/vaccine is developed. NYC is one of those majorly hit areas.

Well, with 5,000 currently diagnosed in NYC alone, that means they already have some 15,000 infected that aren't diagnosed yet. With 15% needing hospital beds that is over 2,000 more hospital beds they will need if they prevent all further infections right now!

Even the medical personnel don't seem to understand the nature of exponential growth. “The most striking part is the speed with which it has ramped up", said a Queens ER doctor. Clearly he never spent any time learning about exponential growth.

We have total idiots running things and that starts at the top and follows the flow all the way down!

Looks like it's going to be a tough ride.

Do what 'mericans don't
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4