Is Anyone in Charge of the Response to COVID-19?

[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:59:16 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:11:50 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 6:03 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 5:07:41 PM UTC-4, Dave Platt wrote:
No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way. Never has,
really. There are (and were) multiple layers of authority and
jurisdiction, which often do not entirely agree.

Of course there will be a single entity making the major decisions in a major crisis. That's the only way to run anything in a crisis. When you need control the US system does provide for that which is why Trump invoked the Defense Production Act. The problem is everyone in authority still seems to be in denial about the extent of the problem.


I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over
this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to
this point? I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of
non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the
faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

My guess (from out here in the cheap seats) is that they were trying
to reduce the shock to businesses which were going to have to shut
down... give them a day or two of transition time to prepare things
(and employees) for a long layoff.

I don't think that really makes any sense. Changing the status on a day by day basis doesn't reduce shock, it extends it. The real problem is no one knows what to expect next.


It was rather more abrupt here in California... both the county-level
"shelter in place" orders, and the subsequent state-level order,
switched to "essential businesses only" without a ramping. Even so,
there's some disagreement between the wording of the county
shelter-in-place orders, and the state-level order, and this has led
to some confusion about just what businesses can stay open at all.

I would not expect everything to be perfectly clear. This is a unique crisis and we are writing the playbook as we go along. My concerns are with the apparent lack of understanding of the extent of the problem. It seems that either the leaders are being given bad advice or are just ignoring it.


Even the medical personnel don't seem to understand the nature of exponential growth. “The most striking part is the speed with
which it has ramped up", said a Queens ER doctor. Clearly he never spent any time learning about exponential growth.

Well, there's school knowledge (which fades in our memory over time)
and practical hands-on-experience knowledge. As far as I can recall,
this is the first time in the lifetime of most Americans now alive
that we've been faced with a really serious exponential-growth disease
curve (highly contagious, high rate of complications, and little-to-no
immune memory in the population to help). So, in practice, it's a new
situation to most of us.

The swine flu was pretty much the same thing. We simply were not faced with the same level of deaths. Even so the number reached 12,000. That's nothing to sneeze at (no pun intended). The spread was the same exponential.


(Epidemiologists "get it", of course. So do some engineers. I doubt
this situation would have surprised anyone who ever studied the
physics of an atomic bomb.)

I just can't imagine the briefings going on within all the governments in the US.

Leader: So what can we expect over the coming weeks?

Advisor: If we maintain the course of "social distancing" we will first see the number of seriously ill to grow slowly but after not many days the growth rate will rise dramatically. Shortly after that the numbers will overwhelm the hospitals and other care systems. This will all happen within about four weeks. To prevent this requires a lock down of the population reducing contact to the absolute minimum to allow for distribution of food and essentials.

Leader: Ok, so we don't need to close the beaches or bars or restaurants. We can recommend to keep the group sizes to 10 and under and space from other people of six feet, right? We don't need to close work spaces and inconvenience businesses?

Advisor: (palms head and looks down at the table) Ok, that sounds good. I guess it's more important to keep the economy healthy than people. BTW, what happens when... never mind.

Especially telling was Trump's response to the reporter's question of what to say to people who are afraid. That was his opportunity to talk to the people and reassure them. Nope, not Trump.


“National Guard members should also be posted at hospitals to assure
restricted visitation is followed without having to pull direct care
staff away from patient care,” she writes. “Unfortunately, we cannot
rely on all members of the public to adhere to all directives issued by
the state and federal government. Bringing in the National Guard will
free up staff resources from having to police these issues.”

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/19/nurses-call-for-national-guard-help-blizzard-of-78-travel-restrictions-over-coronavirus/

The plan in Massachusetts seems to be to mobilize the National Guard,
deploy them to any hospitals that get filled and turn people away at
gunpoint.

If that is an accurate quote, the object is to prevent non-patients from visiting patients which is an entirely reasonable goal. I've had doctors recommend to not visit hospitals because they are breeding grounds for disease without the CV.

I can't see how the National Guard will be required. That's just silly. The hospitals I've been in have an adequate number of security people to handle this sort of problem.

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To further confuse things, on the nightly news they just said that for
areas with high infection testing will now be only for people admitted
to the hospital. Googling I see it says that it will also include
healthcare workers. So, IDK, mass confusion. NY had just opened a
few drive-thru locations in the NYC area. Northern NJ has one, another
opening in central NJ Monday. In NJ they had been doing anyone that
had symptoms, did about 600 a day. Now what? I know one thing for
sure it doesn't square with Trump's claim almost two weeks ago that
anyone that needs a test can get a test. Or with the BS about a million
test kits shipped, millions more rapidly rolling out.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1
@coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political system
works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.



All he knows is how to act like an NYC Roy Cohn modeled
> mobster shyster know nothing jackass.

Apparently you can do both.

 

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:27:53 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:34:51 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:07:08 -0700, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave
Platt) wrote:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way. Never has,
really. There are (and were) multiple layers of authority and
jurisdiction, which often do not entirely agree.

I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over
this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to
this point? I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of
non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the
faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

My guess (from out here in the cheap seats) is that they were trying
to reduce the shock to businesses which were going to have to shut
down... give them a day or two of transition time to prepare things
(and employees) for a long layoff.

It was rather more abrupt here in California... both the county-level
"shelter in place" orders, and the subsequent state-level order,
switched to "essential businesses only" without a ramping. Even so,
there's some disagreement between the wording of the county
shelter-in-place orders, and the state-level order, and this has led
to some confusion about just what businesses can stay open at all.

Even the medical personnel don't seem to understand the nature of exponential growth. “The most striking part is the speed with
which it has ramped up", said a Queens ER doctor. Clearly he never spent any time learning about exponential growth.

Well, there's school knowledge (which fades in our memory over time)
and practical hands-on-experience knowledge. As far as I can recall,
this is the first time in the lifetime of most Americans now alive
that we've been faced with a really serious exponential-growth disease
curve (highly contagious, high rate of complications, and little-to-no
immune memory in the population to help). So, in practice, it's a new
situation to most of us.

(Epidemiologists "get it", of course. So do some engineers. I doubt
this situation would have surprised anyone who ever studied the
physics of an atomic bomb.)

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?



Even Trump now admits it's very different. So, he's lying again?

It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?



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"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:34:51 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:07:08 -0700, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave
Platt) wrote:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way. Never has,
really. There are (and were) multiple layers of authority and
jurisdiction, which often do not entirely agree.

I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over
this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to
this point? I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of
non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the
faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

My guess (from out here in the cheap seats) is that they were trying
to reduce the shock to businesses which were going to have to shut
down... give them a day or two of transition time to prepare things
(and employees) for a long layoff.

It was rather more abrupt here in California... both the county-level
"shelter in place" orders, and the subsequent state-level order,
switched to "essential businesses only" without a ramping. Even so,
there's some disagreement between the wording of the county
shelter-in-place orders, and the state-level order, and this has led
to some confusion about just what businesses can stay open at all.

Even the medical personnel don't seem to understand the nature of exponential growth. “The most striking part is the speed with
which it has ramped up", said a Queens ER doctor. Clearly he never spent any time learning about exponential growth.

Well, there's school knowledge (which fades in our memory over time)
and practical hands-on-experience knowledge. As far as I can recall,
this is the first time in the lifetime of most Americans now alive
that we've been faced with a really serious exponential-growth disease
curve (highly contagious, high rate of complications, and little-to-no
immune memory in the population to help). So, in practice, it's a new
situation to most of us.

(Epidemiologists "get it", of course. So do some engineers. I doubt
this situation would have surprised anyone who ever studied the
physics of an atomic bomb.)

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?

Even Trump now admits it's very different. So, he's lying again?

 

[bitrex]

On 3/21/2020 8:24 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 3/21/2020 8:00 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:17:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

Odd.  When I was at the market yesterday here the store was pretty
packed and they had more checkers than I've ever seen.

Not having checkers because the hours are short makes no sense.
More crowded means they need more checkers for the shorter day.


They're trying to save money and maximize their profit same as always
they don't give a shit how long someone has to wait, they need food,
they'll wait.

You aren't making sense.  It may well be they can't get people to come
in to work.  Markets will be the new infection centers now that
restaurants and bars are closed.


Retail employees are generally at the margins in this area anyway
housing among other things is not cheap. Nobody particularly wants to
take a day off if they want to still have someplace to live. Can't
afford to. Maybe some of the teenagers who still live at home with mom n
dad are punching out, perhaps.

I read Stop & Shop did increase paid sick leave but it was signed off on
like, yesterday.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/21/2020 8:00 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:17:37 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

Odd. When I was at the market yesterday here the store was pretty packed and they had more checkers than I've ever seen.

Not having checkers because the hours are short makes no sense. More crowded means they need more checkers for the shorter day.


They're trying to save money and maximize their profit same as always
they don't give a shit how long someone has to wait, they need food,
they'll wait.

You aren't making sense. It may well be they can't get people to come in to work. Markets will be the new infection centers now that restaurants and bars are closed.

Retail employees are generally at the margins in this area anyway
housing among other things is not cheap. Nobody particularly wants to
take a day off if they want to still have someplace to live. Can't
afford to. Maybe some of the teenagers who still live at home with mom n
dad are punching out, perhaps.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/21/2020 7:59 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:11:50 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 6:03 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 5:07:41 PM UTC-4, Dave Platt wrote:
No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way. Never has,
really. There are (and were) multiple layers of authority and
jurisdiction, which often do not entirely agree.

Of course there will be a single entity making the major decisions in a major crisis. That's the only way to run anything in a crisis. When you need control the US system does provide for that which is why Trump invoked the Defense Production Act. The problem is everyone in authority still seems to be in denial about the extent of the problem.


I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over
this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to
this point? I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of
non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the
faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

My guess (from out here in the cheap seats) is that they were trying
to reduce the shock to businesses which were going to have to shut
down... give them a day or two of transition time to prepare things
(and employees) for a long layoff.

I don't think that really makes any sense. Changing the status on a day by day basis doesn't reduce shock, it extends it. The real problem is no one knows what to expect next.


It was rather more abrupt here in California... both the county-level
"shelter in place" orders, and the subsequent state-level order,
switched to "essential businesses only" without a ramping. Even so,
there's some disagreement between the wording of the county
shelter-in-place orders, and the state-level order, and this has led
to some confusion about just what businesses can stay open at all.

I would not expect everything to be perfectly clear. This is a unique crisis and we are writing the playbook as we go along. My concerns are with the apparent lack of understanding of the extent of the problem. It seems that either the leaders are being given bad advice or are just ignoring it.


Even the medical personnel don't seem to understand the nature of exponential growth. “The most striking part is the speed with
which it has ramped up", said a Queens ER doctor. Clearly he never spent any time learning about exponential growth.

Well, there's school knowledge (which fades in our memory over time)
and practical hands-on-experience knowledge. As far as I can recall,
this is the first time in the lifetime of most Americans now alive
that we've been faced with a really serious exponential-growth disease
curve (highly contagious, high rate of complications, and little-to-no
immune memory in the population to help). So, in practice, it's a new
situation to most of us.

The swine flu was pretty much the same thing. We simply were not faced with the same level of deaths. Even so the number reached 12,000. That's nothing to sneeze at (no pun intended). The spread was the same exponential.


(Epidemiologists "get it", of course. So do some engineers. I doubt
this situation would have surprised anyone who ever studied the
physics of an atomic bomb.)

I just can't imagine the briefings going on within all the governments in the US.

Leader: So what can we expect over the coming weeks?

Advisor: If we maintain the course of "social distancing" we will first see the number of seriously ill to grow slowly but after not many days the growth rate will rise dramatically. Shortly after that the numbers will overwhelm the hospitals and other care systems. This will all happen within about four weeks. To prevent this requires a lock down of the population reducing contact to the absolute minimum to allow for distribution of food and essentials.

Leader: Ok, so we don't need to close the beaches or bars or restaurants. We can recommend to keep the group sizes to 10 and under and space from other people of six feet, right? We don't need to close work spaces and inconvenience businesses?

Advisor: (palms head and looks down at the table) Ok, that sounds good. I guess it's more important to keep the economy healthy than people. BTW, what happens when... never mind.

Especially telling was Trump's response to the reporter's question of what to say to people who are afraid. That was his opportunity to talk to the people and reassure them. Nope, not Trump.


“National Guard members should also be posted at hospitals to assure
restricted visitation is followed without having to pull direct care
staff away from patient care,” she writes. “Unfortunately, we cannot
rely on all members of the public to adhere to all directives issued by
the state and federal government. Bringing in the National Guard will
free up staff resources from having to police these issues.”

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/19/nurses-call-for-national-guard-help-blizzard-of-78-travel-restrictions-over-coronavirus/

The plan in Massachusetts seems to be to mobilize the National Guard,
deploy them to any hospitals that get filled and turn people away at
gunpoint.

If that is an accurate quote, the object is to prevent non-patients from visiting patients which is an entirely reasonable goal. I've had doctors recommend to not visit hospitals because they are breeding grounds for disease without the CV.

I can't see how the National Guard will be required. That's just silly. The hospitals I've been in have an adequate number of security people to handle this sort of problem.

Me either hence my (admittedly cynical) supposition...

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b2ae9d32-2375-4575-8367-6426d40c62db@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 5:20:32 PM UTC-4, Whoey Louie
wrote:

That's true, but you'd think the federal govt with all the
billions spent on the CDC, FEMA, etc would have thought all this
through, would have had a 1000 page document that a president
could call upon when it hits, instead of figuring it out on the
fly.

Yeah... Those offices he dismantled in his extreme hatred for
Obama... Yeah... He should go to prison for that stupid move.

Do not know why you converse with the braindead perversion of a
subhuman piece of shit worshipper, Rick. Who He Lou He should take a
fucking hike.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:34:51 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:07:08 -0700, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave
Platt) wrote:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way. Never has,
really. There are (and were) multiple layers of authority and
jurisdiction, which often do not entirely agree.

I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over
this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to
this point? I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of
non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the
faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

My guess (from out here in the cheap seats) is that they were trying
to reduce the shock to businesses which were going to have to shut
down... give them a day or two of transition time to prepare things
(and employees) for a long layoff.

It was rather more abrupt here in California... both the county-level
"shelter in place" orders, and the subsequent state-level order,
switched to "essential businesses only" without a ramping. Even so,
there's some disagreement between the wording of the county
shelter-in-place orders, and the state-level order, and this has led
to some confusion about just what businesses can stay open at all.

Even the medical personnel don't seem to understand the nature of exponential growth. “The most striking part is the speed with
which it has ramped up", said a Queens ER doctor. Clearly he never spent any time learning about exponential growth.

Well, there's school knowledge (which fades in our memory over time)
and practical hands-on-experience knowledge. As far as I can recall,
this is the first time in the lifetime of most Americans now alive
that we've been faced with a really serious exponential-growth disease
curve (highly contagious, high rate of complications, and little-to-no
immune memory in the population to help). So, in practice, it's a new
situation to most of us.

(Epidemiologists "get it", of course. So do some engineers. I doubt
this situation would have surprised anyone who ever studied the
physics of an atomic bomb.)

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?

No herd immunity. Even the Spanish flu was close enough to a strain of flu that had circulated years earlier that elderly people were immune.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ce98a8e2-e769-490a-86a2-73ef3248a4a8@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1 @coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump
then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political
system works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Obviously he doesn't, as he has stated that he does not know what
impeachment is and proves constantly that he is devoid of knowledge
of the entire process. He has had to and needed to have his hand
held through each and every task he has taken on from day one. You
have no clue.

He killed all the previous manners of the operation of the office
of the president, and committed federal crimes in shirking off
security clearance checks on his family members on his first day in
office. Decidedly, that behavior connotes a lack of knowledge of the
job, must less the entire governing body.

You ain't real bright, boy.

All he knows is how to act like an NYC Roy Cohn modeled
mobster shyster know nothing jackass.

Apparently you can do both.

Oh boy! Was that supposed to inflict some pain on me, child?
Your pathetic act needs work, punk.

I mentioned one thing and you come back with some lame shit about
doing two things. BOTH WHAT, PUTZ? I only mentioned ONE THING.

HOAD, shithead!

 

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in news:85eb6ab8-568f-4d75-
a03f-21ee76cc654e@googlegroups.com:

Even Trump now admits it's very different. So, he's lying again?

Yeah... right. He is clueless. The idiot thinks it is malaria.

He isn't lying. He is dirt dumb. He is RETARDED. SELF IMPOSED.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 8:30:24 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:27:53 -0700 (PDT), Whoey Louie
trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:34:51 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Don't all seasonal flus grow exponentially? What's special about this
one?



Even Trump now admits it's very different. So, he's lying again?





It was a simple question. Can anybody answer it? Or did the dog eat
your homework?

The question has been answered many times already. COVID-19 has a much higher mortality rate than the seasonal flu. MUCH HIGHER.

Did you hear it that time?

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[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 3/21/2020 10:36 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:28:58 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
I don't get it. I thought NYC was in lock down, but it seems the mayor of the city and the Governor of the state are fighting over this. It was only today that the state of NY is requiring all non-essential personnel to stay home. Really? They are just getting to this point?

Cuomo and de Blasio hate each other. de Blasio said he was considering
a shelter in place order maybe 5 days ago. Cuomo shot it down, saying
that NY will never "quarantine". In other words, they were playing
word games, with Cuomo forcing de Blasio to back down. Cuomo is on a power
trip, where only king Cuomo can do those things. Then just days later
Cuomo did what de Blasio wanted to do just a bit earlier.

But if you want to look for the epic fail, that was Cuomo failing to
quarantine Westchester which had the first outbreak and was a hotspot.
That one Jewish laywer infected a whole bunch of people. What did
Cuomo do? He instituted a "containment zone", one mile radius, where
people were not supposed to have large gatherings. BFD. Meanwhile
people were not prevented from getting on the 7:05 commuter train
to NYC, which they did and took it right on into NYC, North Jersey too.
That's how NY got to 5700 in NYC, 8500 in the state. Westchester should
have been quarantined, as should the area in WA state with the hotspot.
There is a family here in NJ that was wiped out by that spread from
Westchester, a guy in North Jersey attened a family gathering here
infecting 10 more people. He and four of that family are dead, 3
in critical condition.



I read that Wednesday they required 50% of non-essential workers to stay home, then Thursday 75%. Now, on Friday 100% of non-essential personnel must stay home because the numbers are still rising. Do these guys think their actions are like adjusting the faucet? Do they really not understand it takes at least a week to see a result in this situation?

I agree, tell Cuomo. He does like seeing himself talk, he's on TV all
the time, yapping away.


MA leadership doesn't seem to be doing much, Charlie Baker has said
they'll never quarantine or shelter in place or any of that stuff
either. Roads are crowded as always people just going about their
business, probably more so as grocery, banks, and drug stores are
running restricted hours I saw like 100 elderly people lined up outside
one the other day because with restricted hours they can't afford to pay
cashiers so there are only like 2 on duty. so much for restricting
gatherings of 25+ people.

A lot of businesses have signs up to hire more sales people.. Of course, I live deep in the Conservative south, where people are allowed to think for themselves.

 

mpm <mpmillard@aol.com> wrote in
news:ebd3df57-1c1b-4962-b6ee-70e9f4590635@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 6:03:49 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Especially telling was Trump's response to the reporter's
question of what to say to people who are afraid. That was his
opportunity to talk to the people and reassure them. Nope, not
Trump.

Trump's probably working 22 hours a day on this Coronavirus thing.
I'm inclined to give him a pass on it.

Bullshit, boy! Trump has been snotty with the press his entire
tenure. FACT IS... HE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

AND I guarantee the lazy jackass gets 6 hrs a day to sleep and
several hours a day ion the waking day to 'rest' away from the grind
too. You are pathetic to think that lazy bastard actually responds
to the nation's needs.

THERE IS NO TIME EVER WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE LOST HIS COOL AND NOT
BEEN DIPLOMATIC IN RESPONSE.

YOU DIG YOU STUPID FUCK!

NOT ONCE, NOT EVER.

CONDUCT UNBECOMING.

Don't expect you to get it.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:48:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 11:23:19 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1
@coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political system
works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Hillary got three million more popular votes.

That's like the Yankees saying we got more home runs, but we lost the game.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 1:24:00 PM UTC+11, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming to the wrong conclusion.

Whereas you have a habit of thinking for others.

Not so much thinking for them as pointing out where their thinking has failed to take them to a rational and supportable conclusion.

I spent my career thinking for other people for money. It has got to be a habit.

The people who paid me to think about their problems mostly tended to take my conclusions seriously (though there were a few exceptions). Nobody here pays for my thinking, and they are correspondingly happier about ignoring my conclusions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[mpm]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming to the wrong conclusion.

Whereas you have a habit of thinking for others.

 

[Whoey Louie]

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:ce98a8e2-e769-490a-86a2-73ef3248a4a8@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1 @coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump
then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political
system works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Obviously he doesn't, as he has stated that he does not know what
impeachment is and proves constantly that he is devoid of knowledge
of the entire process. He has had to and needed to have his hand
held through each and every task he has taken on from day one. You
have no clue.

He killed all the previous manners of the operation of the office
of the president, and committed federal crimes in shirking off
security clearance checks on his family members on his first day in
office. Decidedly, that behavior connotes a lack of knowledge of the
job, must less the entire governing body.

You ain't real bright, boy.

All he knows is how to act like an NYC Roy Cohn modeled
mobster shyster know nothing jackass.

Apparently you can do both.

Oh boy! Was that supposed to inflict some pain on me, child?
Your pathetic act needs work, punk.

I mentioned one thing and you come back with some lame shit about
doing two things. BOTH WHAT, PUTZ? I only mentioned ONE THING.

HOAD, shithead!

Why are you complaining to me about Trump? You say you're a member of
the Republican Party, so you're enabling him. I quit the party almost
a year ago. If ten percent of Republicans did that, the GOP would be
in crisis and maybe they'd do something about him, instead of running
him for re-election with 90% of Republicans approving.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 11:23:19 AM UTC+11, Whoey Louie wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in news:s8cikg-g9j.ln1
@coop.radagast.org:

No, there is no _single_ person (or government body) in charge.

The American political system doesn't work that way.

Somebody better tell the Dangerous Buffoon, Donald John Trump then.
That retarded sonofabitch has no clue how the American political system
works.

Obviously he does. He beat Hillary and got elected.

Hillary got three million more popular votes. Trump got some 78,000 more votes in the three states that gave him his electoral college majority, but those were three states where the Russain Social media intervention had been particularly active, so Trump may not deserve all the credit for that.

All he knows is how to act like an NYC Roy Cohn modeled
mobster shyster know nothing jackass.

Apparently you can do both.

Clearly.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:10:51 PM UTC+11, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/21/2020 10:36 AM, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 1:28:58 AM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

<snip>

> A lot of businesses have signs up to hire more sales people.. Of course, I live deep in the Conservative south, where people are allowed to think for themselves.

But don't get the kind of education that teaches them how to think constructively, or gives them the kind of factual information they need to come to useful conclusions, as Michael Terrell makes a habit of demonstrating.

John Larkin clearly thinks for himself, but has a habit of coming to the wrong conclusion.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney