Getting electrocuted in bathtub

[Diesel]

micky <NONONOaddressee@rushpost.com>
news:t5a6set17pij61594nbvd1se8bjhc3j8gi@4ax.com Wed, 06 Nov 2019
20:19:17 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Then you can measure the resistance of the bath water. Try it
with different levels of dirtiness and soapiness. And compare
the two.

I'm curious what you find. Post back.

I think I found a video that'll explain this better than I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dd6_TghcE0

Electroboom cracks me the fuck up.. seriously.

Soapy water is not your friend if your plugged in device comes into
the water with you... oops.

**BTW, even in homes with copper pipes, unless the water is
running (and even really not then), the supply pipes don't' come
in contact with the bathwater. It's only the drain that does, and
if people don't have plastic drains they have ceramic drains. No
one has metal drain pipe, do they? So be double sure not to pick
the radio up with one hand hold onto the bath spout with the
other.

ROFL. Review the video I shared above. Don't be an idiot around
electricity.

If that were the case, then a
plastic bath and pipes would help. I'm not going to do the
experiment.

Me neither.

Smart choice.



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attractive can differ depending where a woman is in her menstrual
cycle.
For instance, if she is ovulating they are attracted to men with
rugged, masculine features.
If she is menstruating she is more prone to be attracted to a man
with scissors shoved in his temple.

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq6dam$1p77$1@gioia.aioe.org Sat, 09 Nov 2019 13:01:11 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB021D5997E22HT1@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL
2a hBdF99av:

The moral, it's not just the voltage, it's the amperage too that
decides how much distance the arc can travel at such and such
voltage level.

The moral? You'r an idiot. The FACT is that you are full of
shit.

No, I'm not. I've provided various videos clearly showing arcs in
excess of an inch in length being created from far less voltage than
the 75kv you claimed was necessary.

> Arc initiation and arc continuation are two diferent things.

I'm well aware of that. You should have watched a video or two before
assuming I don't know anything about this subject. I assure you, I do.


--
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[Diesel]

Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net>
news:MPG.38311b42b60843b7989c06@news.east.earthlink.net Sat, 09 Nov
2019 23:52:36 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

In article <XnsAB02A8E7F9A1EHT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av>,
nobody@haph.org says...

Umm. I wasn't talking about inverter ovens, but the plain jane
heavy transformer models. They are using a voltage doubler to get
5kv to feed the magnetron. The transformer is NOT generating 5kv
DC to run it on it's own. There's a big fat DIODE and a capacitor
in the circuit too; which is a voltage doubler!




The ones I looked only had one diode and capacitor. Seems to me
to be a 1/2 wave rectifier. Hardly a voltage doubler.

Look closer at the way in which you found those two components wired
up. That makes all the difference. The capacitor is in series from
one side of the transformer only. The diode is not in series, it's
paralleled to hot and neutral. This is not an ac to dc half wave
rectifier as you thought; it's a ac to dc half wave voltage doubler.

Under a light load you may get 1.41 times the voltage of the
secondary of the transformer.

Er, nope. You'll get a bit more than that, not including losses in
components.

If it was a voltage doubler circuit which would require atleast 2
diodes and capacitors you would get about 2.5 times the
transformer voltage under a light load.

Wrong again. It's a crude half wave voltage doubler. Look at the way
in which the diode and capacitor are wired to each other and the
secondary side of the transformer. It's a voltage doubler circuit,
not a half wave rectifier as you originally thought.


--
It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to work.

 

[Diesel]

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
news:qq7s09$42m$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org Sun, 10 Nov 2019 02:17:45
GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 2019-11-09, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:
Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E7F9A1EHT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Umm. I wasn't talking about inverter ovens, but the plain jane
heavy transformer models. They are using a voltage doubler to
get 5kv to feed the magnetron. The transformer is NOT generating
5kv DC to run it on it's own. There's a big fat DIODE and a
capacitor in the circuit too; which is a voltage doubler!


One diode and one cap does not make a voltage doubler. The
diode is
a rectifier so that the magnetron gets a DC feed.

the magnetron _is_ a rectifier. the diode and cap are to double
the voltage and limit the current.

The diode and cap is the voltage doubler. Look at the way in which they
are wired up. The diode is going across hot and neutral; the
capacitor is coming off one side only. It's a crude half wave voltage
doubler.


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[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq7hks$13vp$1@gioia.aioe.org Sat, 09 Nov 2019 23:21:00 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E7F9A1EHT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Umm. I wasn't talking about inverter ovens, but the plain jane
heavy transformer models. They are using a voltage doubler to get
5kv to feed the magnetron. The transformer is NOT generating 5kv
DC to run it on it's own. There's a big fat DIODE and a capacitor
in the circuit too; which is a voltage doubler!


One diode and one cap does not make a voltage doubler. The
diode is a rectifier so that the magnetron gets a DC feed.

I realize you thought you were looking at a half wave rectifier
circuit, but you aren't. Look closer at the components wiring
configuration sometime, you'll notice something different.

The diode is going across hot and neutral, the capacitor is coming
off one side; exact opposite of what you'd have for a half wave ac to
dc rectifier. What you have in this configuration, is an ac to dc
half wave voltage doubler circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYw_5LKfxms

You can also refresh your memory with a simple google search. Any
say, slightly above beginner in electronics should know this stuff...
ho hum.




--
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[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org news:qq7ha8$12j0$1
@gioia.aioe.org Sat, 09 Nov 2019 23:15:20 GMT in alt.home.repair,
wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E77DE50HT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

So, it is JUST THE VOLTAGE.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it very much so is, wire boy.

Nope. It's not. You're providing information that could actually get
someone harmed (or worse) and or cause property damage. It does NOT
take 75,000 volts to jump an inch open air gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYw_5LKfxms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQ2v0s_bsA

How much experience do you actually have with HV?

I have HV supplies at LANL and that went up on space shuttle
missions. So, very likely more than you have, since you likely do
not even know what LANL is, much less anything about space bound
electronic packages. I know more about arcing than you do...
obviously.

You obviously do not know more about it than I do. Mr 'wire boy' as you
called me is trained for working safely with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk7FSYHAw58

I *KNOW* it doesn't take 75kv to jump an inch and light my fucking ass
(and others around me) up. Those are pole pigs. They aren't generating
or being fed by anything close to 75kv. They're being reverse (back
fed) 240volts and are generating 7.2kv. Far less than what you claimed
was necessary. The arc he's causing is lethal if you make contact with
it, in most fucking cases. Much much greater than an inch. The video is
geared towards people who know nothing about electricity and don't
understand how dangerous it can be to them and those of us who work
with it. People like, you, for example. Think you know more than you
do. That's dangerous.




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[Diesel]

Diesel <nobody@haph.org>
news:XnsAB0332F2BC23FHT1@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426Hde
nG1 Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:51:19 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

I'm not going to argue with you about this. I'll let another video
show you, instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dd6_TghcE0

Wrong video... Oops...

Here's one of two I intended to provide you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHGo-52wCDc

and here's the other one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcrY59nGxBg



--
Look! He's protecting himself with a zesty tartar sauce.

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qpvn2d$15gc$1@gioia.aioe.org Thu, 07 Nov 2019 00:04:30 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Basic physics.

It takes a 77kV voltage source to bridge a 1 inch gap with 3kV
per mm at sea level as the reference standard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP-jO6TyK64

Another video showing a considerable amount less than 77kv, but
still making a nice arc. See how far he can draw it? The caps aren't
magically allowing him to create 77,000 volts as you claimed was
needed....And it's going further than an inch. He can actually hold
it, until it melts the contacts away. [g] And that's not even using
the voltage doubler circuit; just the transformer and a collection
of capacitors. The transformer on it's own can make and sustain a
nice arc, well in excess of the inch you claimed wasn't even possible
at 2kv - which is all that particular MOT is making..You notice as he
adds capacitors, the secondary side AMPS is increasing? See what that
does with the arc? Yes, it's a more intense arc, sustaining, at
2kilovolts.

And that arc can fucking kill you dead. It's NOWHERE NEAR 77,000
volts as you originally stated it would need to be. The caps are
increasing the intensity (higher amperage) of the arc, but the
voltage isn't increasing with it. 2kv (not even voltage doubled or
converted to dc) and 5 caps are making 2kv in excess of 3amps. Not
something you want to come into contact with. And, nowhere near the
77kv you claimed was required to jump open air.

Your math is flawed, sorry, but it is.










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Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula” and can be
abbreviated to 3.63% of its size, “L.A.”

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq7h43$11qp$1@gioia.aioe.org Sat, 09 Nov 2019 23:12:04 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E6F1064HT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Oh, it's that damn
electrical trade experience I have, wiring the fucking things...


Yeah... that thing where you make assumptions about drain
construction when you are "an electrician". not a plumber.

Heh. That's based on a shitload of remodel work. Many (not all) homes
still had various copper connections...

The drain is not connected to the feed tap manifold.

So, NO, the water line is NOT connected to a tub full of water
once
it is filled and the water is off.

I'm not going to argue with you about this. I'll let another video
show you, instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dd6_TghcE0

You are 'an electrician', use an ohmmeter. You "wiring folks"
know what that is, right? Find out for yourself.

ROFL. I'm trained in medium voltage and high voltage as well. I know
it doesn't take 75kv to jump an inch.

> Umm... Yawn... no, I did not visit ANY of your posted links.

That's a shame. You'd have learned something.

I was wiring circuits back in the early seventies, *and* I know
what the term 'continuity' means.

Good for you. So, at what point did you confuse a half wave rectifier
circuit in a microwave oven for a voltage doubler? Didn't pay close
enough attention to the wiring, huh? A single diode and capacitor
will make a crude voltage doubler circuit, if wired differently. Yes,
it fucking will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYw_5LKfxms

It's all in HOW THE TWO COMPONENTS are connected to each other and
input/output. See the schematic? Mr 'wiring circuits back in the
early seventies' but confuses a voltage doubler for a half wave
rectifier, simply because he didn't bother to look at how they were
connected; just ASSumed it couldn't be anything more than a half wave
ac to dc rectifier, since it's only using one diode and capacitor.

That's a stupid move on your part. Had you been fucking around with
that circuit, you'd have gotten a bit more than the 2kv or so 'dc'
you incorrectly thought it was. It's dc, (pulsed dc), but it's not
still around 2kv by then, it's much closer to 5kv.


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Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB0332EFD530AHT1
@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426HdenG1:

Nope. It's not. You're providing information that could actually get
someone harmed (or worse) and or cause property damage. It does NOT
take 75,000 volts to jump an inch open air gap.

Goddamnit shut the fuck up, boy. I did no such thing.

Paschen's law, you fucking idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschen%27s_law

A one meter gap is about 3.4MV.

 

tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:e488cf3a-a8e0-42ca-b038-b37ceaca10e9@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, 9 November 2019 23:12:10 UTC,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E6F1064HT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Oh, it's that damn
electrical trade experience I have, wiring the fucking
things...


Yeah... that thing where you make assumptions about drain
construction when you are "an electrician". not a plumber.

The drain is not connected to the feed tap manifold.

So, NO, the water line is NOT connected to a tub full of water
once
it is filled and the water is off.

A bath that's wet all over near the taps is thereby connected. And
with all the splash as it fills, wet it will surely be.

The taps are on the wall, so it will not be very easy to fill the
tub up to the taps, and you're dancing around like a Donald J.
Trumplike buffoon right now.

 

tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:25e7ff13-c8cd-4bef-bdd5-22bab2028b77@googlegroups.com:

We were talking about plastic film, pipe is as you say another
animal.

No. We were talking about PVC pipe, and I said that even a bread bag
could stop line voltage. THEN we started talking about films.

 

tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in news:25e7ff13-c8cd-4bef-bdd5-22bab2028b77
@googlegroups.com:

It's caused many line rated caps to fail in service.

Caps do not use bread bags. This was about insulating against line
voltage, not capacitor manufacturing films.

And they did not fail from a micro-hole, or it would have failed at
the factory over-voltage test. They fail from a full conduction path
breach or conductor node detachment.

 

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in
news:qq7s09$42m$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:

On 2019-11-09, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:
Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E7F9A1EHT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Umm. I wasn't talking about inverter ovens, but the plain jane
heavy transformer models. They are using a voltage doubler to
get 5kv to feed the magnetron. The transformer is NOT generating
5kv DC to run it on it's own. There's a big fat DIODE and a
capacitor in the circuit too; which is a voltage doubler!


One diode and one cap does not make a voltage doubler. The
diode is
a rectifier so that the magnetron gets a DC feed.

the magnetron _is_ a rectifier. the diode and cap are to double
the voltage and limit the current.

magnetron (thermionic diode)
.....
__________:_ :
||(__________:_3 |-:--- gnd
|| | : :
___ || _--||-+ '''''
_)||(_ |
___)||(_ V
||(_ T semiconductor rectifier diode
||(__ |
||_| ----'
| gnd

Where is the second cap?

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB0332F1CB830HT1@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426Hde
nG1:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq6dam$1p77$1@gioia.aioe.org Sat, 09 Nov 2019 13:01:11 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB021D5997E22HT1@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9m
L 2a hBdF99av:

The moral, it's not just the voltage, it's the amperage too that
decides how much distance the arc can travel at such and such
voltage level.

The moral? You'r an idiot. The FACT is that you are full of
shit.

No, I'm not. I've provided various videos clearly showing arcs in
excess of an inch in length being created from far less voltage
than the 75kv you claimed was necessary.

Your videos show nothing about "it's not just the voltage".

Again, your original assertion is incorrect. Period. The ONLY
thing that matters in breaching a gap is VOLTAGE.

The ONLY thing that matters when your body is passing current is
that current LEVEL. That is AFTER the arc is established.

Arc initiation and arc continuation are two diferent things.

I'm well aware of that.

Obviously not.

You should have watched a video or two
before assuming I don't know anything about this subject. I assure
you, I do.

When you say "it's not just the voltage it's the amperage", you
cause your previous stated assertion about yourself to fall flat on
its face.

And just so you know, and yes it has already been also argued here,
"amperage" is not a word.

Maybe now you will get it.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB0332F14729EHT1
@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426HdenG1:

> Wrong again. It's a crude half wave voltage doubler.

Oh look. You finally got one right.

criude... yes.

half wave... yes.

Therefore NOT a "voltage doubler" as you have been claiming.
It is a "half wave voltage doubler" at best.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB0332F05F037HT1@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426Hde
nG1:

You can also refresh your memory with a simple google search. Any
say, slightly above beginner in electronics should know this
stuff... ho hum.




--
Lobotomize Hillary - Now there's a health plan.

Yes... perhaps. And any electronics guy posting here would have
enough brains to leave out retarded sig generators and cracks.

You are double stupid, boy. Here... how's this feel?

Put jackasses like you in a lye pit. Now there's a health plan!
Dumbfucks like you should be erased from the human gene pool.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB0332EFD530AHT1
@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426HdenG1:

The arc he's causing is lethal if you make contact with
it,

Here is where your stupidity comes in. Once an arc is established
the nodes can be drawn apart and the arc will continue.

ANY idiot trainee like you would know that from simply watching the
now years old video of a set of breakers opening at a substation.

To put it simply, child. It requires VOLTAGE to breach a gap.

It require continual current delivery capacity to fry things once
that gap is breached.

So a 10kV ignition transformer for a kerosene heater bridges a
specific gap. ONCE an arc is established, it drops to about one kV,
but maintains the arc, yet ONLY provides a couple mA at that level,
which means that LOAD matters. It is NOT 10kV from the moment that
arc is established forward, as it CANNOT drive that virtual zero ohm
load. It gets clamped down by the load.

NOW, you precious pole pig, on the other hand, can drive several
hundred amps into a short load. That is a MAJOR difference. The HV
line feeding it comes from a transformer capable of providing
hundreds of amps AT the voltage it delivers. THat is VASTLY
different than a piddly kerosene ignition transformer. And you
appear unable to see that difference.

So your victim does not get fried by voltage. He gets fried by the
current, because POWER distribution systems are MADE to DELIVER
POWER. The voltage merely provides the initialization, as the idiot
got in between two nodes and made a current path.

So where you failed is your bent brained thingking that everything
has massive amperage capacity. YOU think "it takes current". You
are not fully educated and lack some physics knowledge. To bridge a
node gap, it takes POTENTIAL or no breach occurs. Once said
POTENTIAL cause a breach, THEN the current delivery capacity of said
nodes comes in to play.

That is why lightning only lasts for a very short period. Very
high voltage, and very low storage (relatively)means a lot happens,
but for only a very short period.

Otherwise we could capture and store and make use of lightning
energy.

Real power delivery requires the ability to feed that load
constantly.

You missed something in your training or it is an incomplete
course.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB033B085533FHT1
@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426HdenG1:

Your math is flawed, sorry, but it is.

Your brain is flawed. Sorry, chump... but it is.

Particularly because of your retarded sig generator.
It is a real tell about your inane brain.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB0332EFD530AHT1
@pUs761lJv8WI1UslzRT3g76.yip0v5y3R0tD9r426HdenG1:

. People like, you, for example. Think you know more than you
do. That's dangerous.

You are a goddamned idiot, boy.

I have seen line shorts fry a person's arm completey off.
And she was 25 feet from the arc event location.

I do not "think I know more than I do". I KNOW that I know more
than you do, however.

You are a fresh trained wire boy punk, or someone trained longer
ago, but whom never ever really got the physics right in your lacking
screw driver turning head.

Otherwise, you would have never made the layman phrased statement
you made about it requiring current as well as voltage to breach a
gap.