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Myth Busters did a piece on this and showed it very much WOULD
produce a current that would kill a person.
** Pipes carrying hot and cold water are metal and grounded.
Only if they are metal,
** No other kind found or allowed in most countries.
Plastic is only used for drain and sewerage pipes.
Plus outdoor hoses etc.
what? plastic is used all over the place for both drinking and heating water
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 06 Nov 2019 00:14:16 -0600, Unlisted
unlisted@nomail.com> wrote:
In the old days when plumbing was made of metal, people were
electrocuted in bathtubs if an electric appliance such as a hair
dryer or plug in radio fell into the tub while a person was in it.
However, modern tubs and the pipes connected to them are plastic.
Thus not grounded. Is it still possible to get electrocuted in an
ungrounded bathtub, if an appliance falls in the water?
Also, I remember being told to never take a bath when it's
lightning outside. Is that still valid today in a plastic plumbing
system?
I don't know much about the rest but i know that lightning doesn't
need a continuous path to ground. After all, it jumps 1000's of
feet from the sky to the earth and it will also jump iirc a foot
or more from one conductor to another. There are still grounded
electrical outlets and afaik copper water pipes are very common.
I have them.
Mike Coon wrote:
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However, modern tubs and the pipes connected to them are plastic. Thus
not grounded. Is it still possible to get electrocuted in an ungrounded
bathtub, if an appliance falls in the water?
** Pipes carrying hot and cold water are metal and grounded.
With an appliance submerges in a tub full of soapy water, you better not touch a tap.
If the tub is cast metal and bonded to wet tiles and tiles and the floor, it is fairly well grounded.
Takes only 30ma to be fatal.
..... Phil
Takes only 30ma to be fatal.
..... Phil
Across the chest. Get it right.
Regular defib paddles are dumping 30 or 40 mA in the region between
the paddles.
** Pipes carrying hot and cold water are metal and grounded.
With an appliance submerges in a tub full of soapy water, you better not touch a tap.
If the tub is cast metal and bonded to wet tiles and tiles and the floor, it is fairly well grounded.
Takes only 30ma to be fatal.
https://youtu.be/06w3-l1AzFk?t=9m23s
On 11/6/2019 7:03 AM, duh wrote:
On 11/6/2019 1:14 AM, Unlisted wrote:
In the old days when plumbing was made of metal, people were
electrocuted in bathtubs if an electric appliance such as a hair dryer
or plug in radio fell into the tub while a person was in it.
However, modern tubs and the pipes connected to them are plastic. Thus
not grounded. Is it still possible to get electrocuted in an ungrounded
bathtub, if an appliance falls in the water?
Also, I remember being told to never take a bath when it's lightning
outside. Is that still valid today in a plastic plumbing system?
Lightning travels 10 miles across the open sky and strikes your
tubafor house.
Do you think some wet plastic plumbing will save your ass?
Some farmers think the tires on their tractor provides protection. Loose
some farmers that way.
In the old days when plumbing was made of metal, people were
electrocuted in bathtubs if an electric appliance such as a hair dryer
or plug in radio fell into the tub while a person was in it.
However, modern tubs and the pipes connected to them are plastic. Thus
not grounded. Is it still possible to get electrocuted in an ungrounded
bathtub, if an appliance falls in the water?
Also, I remember being told to never take a bath when it's lightning
outside. Is that still valid today in a plastic plumbing system?
Whoey Louie wrote:
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** Pipes carrying hot and cold water are metal and grounded.
Only if they are metal,
** No other kind found or allowed in most countries.
Plastic is only used for drain and sewerage pipes.
Plus outdoor hoses etc.
onsdag den 6. november 2019 kl. 14.34.47 UTC+1 skrev Phil Allison:
Mike Coon wrote:
---------------
However, modern tubs and the pipes connected to them are
plastic. Thus not grounded. Is it still possible to get
electrocuted in an ungrounded bathtub, if an appliance falls
in the water?
** Pipes carrying hot and cold water are metal and grounded.
With an appliance submerges in a tub full of soapy water, you
better not touch a tap.
If the tub is cast metal and bonded to wet tiles and tiles and
the floor, it is fairly well grounded.
Takes only 30ma to be fatal.
..... Phil
https://youtu.be/06w3-l1AzFk?t=9m23s
** Typical energies for a de-fib are 150 Joules over 5mS.
Phil Allison
** Typical energies for a de-fib are 150 Joules over 5mS.
Not the open chest versions.
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
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Phil Allison
** Typical energies for a de-fib are 150 Joules over 5mS.
Not the open chest versions.
** Shame they were NOT the kind you posted about.
" A 100mA jolt from one leg to the other does NOT fibrillate the
heart. But less than half that from one arm to the other (across
the
chest) can.
Regular defib paddles are dumping 30 or 40 mA in the region
between
the paddles. "
Ho hummm....
Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
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** Pipes carrying hot and cold water are metal and grounded.
Only if they are metal,
** No other kind found or allowed in most countries.
Plastic is only used for drain and sewerage pipes.
Plus outdoor hoses etc.
what? plastic is used all over the place for both drinking and heating water
** OK, the law was relaxed some years ago for new installations.
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a3fd0127-5e10-4a1e-ae47-c40ce37ba5bd@googlegroups.com:
Myth Busters did a piece on this and showed it very much WOULD
produce a current that would kill a person.
I saw it and it was wrong.
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 6:52:02 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a3fd0127-5e10-4a1e-ae47-c40ce37ba5bd@googlegroups.com:
Myth Busters did a piece on this and showed it very much WOULD
produce a current that would kill a person.
I saw it and it was wrong.
You could at least enlighten us by saying what you think was wrong
with what they did. I didn't see that particular one, but I've
seen many others and MB have been scientific and reasonable.
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:b9a54ff7-5852-45d4-89b6-6bc3646c10b6@googlegroups.com:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 6:52:02 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a3fd0127-5e10-4a1e-ae47-c40ce37ba5bd@googlegroups.com:
Myth Busters did a piece on this and showed it very much WOULD
produce a current that would kill a person.
I saw it and it was wrong.
You could at least enlighten us by saying what you think was wrong
with what they did. I didn't see that particular one, but I've
seen many others and MB have been scientific and reasonable.
I never said they were not. I said they were wrong on this.
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 12:18:07 AM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:b9a54ff7-5852-45d4-89b6-6bc3646c10b6@googlegroups.com:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 6:52:02 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a3fd0127-5e10-4a1e-ae47-c40ce37ba5bd@googlegroups.com:
Myth Busters did a piece on this and showed it very much
WOULD produce a current that would kill a person.
I saw it and it was wrong.
You could at least enlighten us by saying what you think was
wrong with what they did. I didn't see that particular one,
but I've seen many others and MB have been scientific and
reasonable.
I never said they were not. I said they were wrong on this.
Do you ever actually read what people post before typing? I
didn't comment on what you thought about the credibility of Myth
Busters. I commented on you not providing anything about what you
think they did that was wrong, incorrect, etc. with their bathtub
electrocution analysis. And that question obviously remains.
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:62095817-cc9c-4834-99ec-e6e06d5b8cb3@googlegroups.com:
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 12:18:07 AM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Whoey Louie <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in
news:b9a54ff7-5852-45d4-89b6-6bc3646c10b6@googlegroups.com:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 6:52:02 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a3fd0127-5e10-4a1e-ae47-c40ce37ba5bd@googlegroups.com:
Myth Busters did a piece on this and showed it very much
WOULD produce a current that would kill a person.
I saw it and it was wrong.
You could at least enlighten us by saying what you think was
wrong with what they did. I didn't see that particular one,
but I've seen many others and MB have been scientific and
reasonable.
I never said they were not. I said they were wrong on this.
Do you ever actually read what people post before typing? I
didn't comment on what you thought about the credibility of Myth
Busters. I commented on you not providing anything about what you
think they did that was wrong, incorrect, etc. with their bathtub
electrocution analysis. And that question obviously remains.
You already stated that you have not seen the piece.
You do not even warrant a response.
Just like the California overnor's response to Trump on 'forest
fires' and climate change.
And the fact that
you can't tell us what you claim was wrong with what they did,
speaks for itself.
Are you as sure about that as you were about
defibrillators using 30ma?
You were only off by three orders of
magnitude on that one.