Getting electrocuted in bathtub

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qqadgp$7ut$1@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 11 Nov 2019 01:28:57 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03CB7C573DHT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

My, er, assertions are fine. I've consistently stated that 77kv
is NOT required to jump a one inch open air gap, as you
incorrectly claimed, multiple times, it was.

You blab on about bullshit.

Well, as I wrote previously, one of us certainly is...

But I guess you never visited that link just after you asked me
to
prove my claim.

Your claim of requiring 77kv to jump an inch open air gap isn't
accurate. Sorry, but, it's not.

The way you spoke about lightining is why I thought of and think
of
you as a layman

I really don't care what you think of me. I'm not here for a
popularity contest.



--
Every day more money is printed for Monopoly than the US Treasury.

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org news:qqaev5$e7e$1
@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 11 Nov 2019 01:53:42 GMT in alt.home.repair,
wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03CB7E6CD1EHT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org news:qqa0g0$csq$4
@gioia.aioe.org Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:46:40 GMT in alt.home.repair,
wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03AFAB3FCBAHT1
@SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

Did you drop out after the first
few months or something?

How many HV power supplies have you designed?

Enough to know a Villard doubler circuit when I see one.

Obviously not since they are not used in the industry.

Which industry? They're obviously used in the residential/commercial
microwave oven industry. Or, does that not count?

> So that makes you a liar, Trumpanzee retard boy.

Your definition to liar must be as unique as your HV realm
definition...

Like I said... wire boy.

I'm hurt, no really. Future Darwin award winner.

You are just as stupid as the dopes that write "lol" and call
people "douche". You one of those sports bar retards?

Nah. Here's an example of stupid:

Message-ID: <qq6dkf$1qhh$1@gioia.aioe.org>

That would be the microwave
oven transformer. It typically generates no more than 2 to 2.5kv.

The differ from maker to maker, and you are clueless about any
other than the one you toyed with. Unless you are a service tech,
and then I will start laughing all over again.

It uses a voltage doubler to generate the 5kv dc necessary to run
the magnetron; but the transformer itself isn't making 5kv. [g]

Wow. you know fuck all next to nothing about microwave ovens too.

*** end snippit

You wrote entirely, from your arsehole on that entire side subject.
You know more *now* about microwave ovens than you did prior to my
posting about them. You may thank me at your convenience.

I am as smart as a tardigrade. They have ben around for over 400
million years. Pretty damned smart.

It's good to have a high opinion of oneself. except when, as with
you, it's not in sync with reality.

> You fall in more at the slug level, or paramecium.

Oh hey.. I could be doing worse then. Thanks for that.




--
Earth first! We'll abuse the other planets later.

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org news:qqaf7g$f48$2
@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 11 Nov 2019 01:58:08 GMT in alt.home.repair,
wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB03CB7EE8692HT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8
tZfIBcnITL5:


So no, I wouldn't provide DC power to run an LED in the dog house.
It wouldn't do the dog any good.

I never said anything about a DC power run, you fucking idiot.

Message-ID: <qq9usn$6n7$1@gioia.aioe.org>

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03AFA77D4EDHT1
@SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

Oh, and incidently, I wouldn't let you wire a light fixture to a
dog house; I'd be worried you'd fuck it up.

You are a fucking retard for running an AC line to a dog house to
start with you retarded fuck.

This ia a modern world. We use LED lighting here and it runs on
DC.

Unless you are also retarded enough to purchase, and feed an LED
fixture that runs on AC when there is no need.
*** end snippit

So, are you suggesting an LED that runs on batteries then? Still
won't do anything for the dog. And I really don't feel like fucking
with batteries all winter. Or relying on some bullshit 'solar
charger' to do it for me.

You were either writing about a battery powered LED, or running a DC
power source to the LED. Intentionally vague on your part?

Either way, an LED isn't going to generate the heat a 60watt
incandescent bulb will provide.

Please, do continue showing us what little you understand about
thermal dynamics along with everything else you've demonstrated not
having a firm grasp of. It's fascinating to me.


--
Cat asleep on my shoulders - the ONLY way to wear fur!

 

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 04:52:38 -0000 (UTC), Diesel <nobody@haph.org>
wrote:

But I guess you never visited that link just after you asked me
to
prove my claim.

Your claim of requiring 77kv to jump an inch open air gap isn't
accurate. Sorry, but, it's not.

You seem to be new to SED, it is no point debating with AlwaysWrong..

Instead, please give some info about distance, air pressure, humidity,
contamination and various discharge modes before a full arc.

The other question is what voltage at what distance is required to
maintain a full arc discharge in AC vs. DC. For DC, about 50-55 Vdc is
required to _maintain_ an arc millimeters long as seen in old arc
street lamps in the 1880's (30 lamps in series from a 1500 Vdc
generator with 6 A loop current).

 

[Diesel]

tabbypurr@gmail.com
news:d34a991b-4787-4f5e-990b-12c56af02f14@googlegroups.com Sun, 10
Nov 2019 02:47:06 GMT in sci.electronics.design, wrote:

On Saturday, 9 November 2019 13:06:30 UTC,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB0221B6FC6A3HT1

It
uses a voltage doubler to generate the 5kv dc necessary to run
the magnetron; but the transformer itself isn't making 5kv. [g]

Wow. you know fuck all next to nothing about microwave ovens
too.

what's wrong with that then?

Nothing was/is wrong with what I wrote. I thought this Decadent fellow
might be a fuckwit troll I remembered from another newsgroup. After
reading more posts that didn't get xposted to home.repair, I've
confirmed it. Sorry I wasted everyones time with so many replies to the
ignorant twit.


--
witty tagline missing.

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq9uik$52f$1@gioia.aioe.org Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:13:56 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03AFA77D4EDHT1
@SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

The sigfile is a collection

We do not need a primer on a simple sig generator, you fucking
elementary school level putz!

You seem to...

The stupid shit you post makes you look like a first time Usenet
poster.

Heh.

That is how stupid the shit you spout is, boy. You been
here some stupid shit short time, and you act like you need to
instruct folks been posting here for DECADES.

define short time...I've been on usenet for decades myself. Just not
using the nym Diesel. You may have heard of me though, if you have any
contacts in I.T cyber security circles. Back in my umm, not so nice
days, I made many cocky fuckers like you my bitch. Doesn't look like
much has changed since I stopped doing that sort of stuff.

Go ahead, continue writing shit. I'm enjoying this. I really am.



--
SYSTEM ERROR: press F13 to continue...

 

[Diesel]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qqaf67$f48$1@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 11 Nov 2019 01:57:27 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB03CB7EE8692HT1@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5
k8 tZfIBcnITL5:

LEDs aren't so good with providing a bit of heat to keep things
above freezing, but a 60watt incandescent does a good job of
that.

No, they do not, you fucking idiot. Even an Easy Bake Oven uses
more.

Yes, actually they do. it doesn't take much heat in a confined space to
keep that area above freezing for the dog. Especially when the dog has
proper bedding. It's not intended to make it 80 fucking degrees in
there.

You are an idiot. You even sully the moniker you chose. Diesel
fuel
has orders of magnitude higher integrity than you do.

That's right, keep making ignorant assumptions based on the nym I'm
posting with and the tagline generator i'm using. It's highly amusing.




--
Auctioneer, n. The man who proclaims with a hammer that he has picked a
pocket with his tongue.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03F316C8E9AHT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

Oh, and incidently, that thing you called a kerosene ignitor in my
video isn't.

I did not see your retarded video, you stupid fuck.

I gave an example of a low capacity 10kV transformer.

I never said it had anything to do with anything you fucking posted a
link for. See line one above.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03F316C8E9AHT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

And if someone was stupid enough to be a source to ground and take
your claim seriously by getting an inch or so away from an HV source
lower than 77kv, they're going to be in for a nasty surprise,

Idiot. Anyone getting within an inch of ANY high OR even medium
voltage source is stupid. Just like you. Your brain is bent, boy.

Your experiments are dumb and decidedly unscientific.

Do you even know what the word empirical means?

Paschen did, way back in 1889.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03F315DF14DHT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

The way you spoke about lightining is why I thought of and think
of
you as a layman

I really don't care what you think of me. I'm not here for a
popularity contest.

You retarded fuck. It was your stupid post that I responded to.

3kV per mm. Get used to it, child.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03F31648294HT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

I moved the arc points a little closer;

Please go play with a line transformer up on a pole.

Move the nodes closer to you.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-11-10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in
news:qq7s09$42m$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:

On 2019-11-09, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:
Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E7F9A1EHT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Umm. I wasn't talking about inverter ovens, but the plain jane
heavy transformer models. They are using a voltage doubler to
get 5kv to feed the magnetron. The transformer is NOT generating
5kv DC to run it on it's own. There's a big fat DIODE and a
capacitor in the circuit too; which is a voltage doubler!


One diode and one cap does not make a voltage doubler. The
diode is
a rectifier so that the magnetron gets a DC feed.

the magnetron _is_ a rectifier. the diode and cap are to double
the voltage and limit the current.

magnetron (thermionic diode)
.....
__________:_ :
||(__________:_3 |-:--- gnd
|| | : :
___ || _--||-+ '''''
_)||(_ |
___)||(_ V
||(_ T semiconductor rectifier diode
||(__ |
||_| ----'
| gnd


Where is the second cap?

Why do you ask?


--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB03F316C8E9AHT1@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8
tZfIBcnITL5:

A kerosene heater will light easily enough with a 3volt
heating element brought up against a soaked wick and left there
for a short period of time.

An arc ignition system wouldn't be more reliable or be a cost
savings for the manufacturer; Liquid kerosene short of using an
open flame is a cunt for ignition. It's vapors are practically
flame retardent..

When did you feel that you needed to grace the group with yet
another unsolicited primer from you, this time on a fucking wick
lighting system?

GODDAMN BOY SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

Stay on topic, loser. You know, the topic of discussion. NOT your
retarded video. NOT your retarded primers on what the world has to
offer. AIR GAP ARCING EVENT. THAT IS THE TOPIC.

YOU CLAIMED that it takes "more than just voltage" to bridge an air
gap.

I stated that your claim is incorrect.

You have pulled Donald J. Trump styled stupid shit ever since.

Original argument ONLY, boy!

VOLTAGE is the ONLY thing required to initate a spark between two
nodes separated by sea level air.

AFTER that moment, there is now a complete circuit and CURRENT (your
precious 'amperage') can and does flow as an arc is a zero ohm plasma
link. So it THEN flows current at whatever the maximum capacity the
SUPPLY can deliver it at. Always been that way, dipshit.

No arc.... NO CURRENT.

REAL SIMPLE.

And AGAIN, child, it does NOT matter if it is a charge
electrostatic leyden jar, or a power station generator. NO CURRENT
UNTIL ARC. Been that way forever.

Go back to school. This time ask for help to understand the
principles. 'Cause you missed them, sonny.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB03F3191B341HT1@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8
tZfIBcnITL5:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq9uik$52f$1@gioia.aioe.org Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:13:56 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03AFA77D4EDHT1
@SB7B2EdC4.9ma4.rx:

The sigfile is a collection

We do not need a primer on a simple sig generator, you fucking
elementary school level putz!

You seem to...

The stupid shit you post makes you look like a first time
Usenet
poster.

Heh.

That is how stupid the shit you spout is, boy. You been
here some stupid shit short time, and you act like you need to
instruct folks been posting here for DECADES.

define short time...I've been on usenet for decades myself.

THIS GROUP, jackass. You invaded THIS GROUP S.E.D.

Just
not using the nym Diesel.

I do not give a fat flying fuck what a retarded twit like you has
called yourself over your years of abusive tenure in Usenet.

You may have heard of me though, if you

have any contacts in I.T cyber security circles. Back in my umm,
not so nice days, I made many cocky fuckers like you my bitch.

Oh boy... you're a real hater that takes action! See wat I wrote
about, Usenet newsgroup abuser.

Bwuahahahahahah! You're a fucking joke. Your mention of "dark
arts" was proof of that.

I was talking about your invasion of THIS group, jackass. SED.

The one you cross posted your pathetic stupid shit to.

Doesn't look like much has changed since I stopped doing that sort
of stuff.

You're an idiot and a liar. I made HAIPE compliant hardawre IP
encryptors for the military. I have serious doubts that you even
know what that is. You are out of your league.

Go ahead, continue writing shit. I'm enjoying this. I really am.

I feel that you enjoying *thinking* you are superior to someone you
said stupid shit to in Usenet is a real tell about what little a punk
fuck wire boy like you is about.

You are a joke, and I have pegged you on it and called you that
from the get go. Keep proving it, child.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in
news:XnsAB03F317410D4HT1@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8
tZfIBcnITL5:

You must have a unique definition for HV realm. As the one i'm
familiar with uses flybacks, ignition coils, mots, pole pigs (if
you're fortunate enough to be able to legally obtain one that's
still operational), and C-Ws.

You retarded fuck. The topic was multipliers, not pole pigs. Damn
you are stupid, boy!

The HV DC power supply realm. So you obviously have zero common
sense as well. It would be OBVIOUS to ANYONE with electronics
knowledge as to what I referred to and that was NOT a fucking AC pole
pig, you fucking retarded twit!

Several ways in which to get HV for
a variety of uses. There's nothing wrong with using both for some
situations, either. CRT televisions did, Some POS tasers do as
well. Just two examples you should be familiar with, maybe the
2nd not first hand, but you should? understand how they work.

Your memory is lame too. I already told you I made HV supplies for
LANL.

But you are obvously so stupid you do not even know what LANL is.

My supplies are not like tasers, you stupid fuck. One does not get
a second event making a mistake with these supplies.

Please come over and grab hold of one. I promise to NOT
resuscitate you. May even try to see what a second jolt will look
like coursing through your hopefully already lifeless body.

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03F318AD5AEHT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

Please, do continue showing us what little you understand about
thermal dynamics along with everything else you've demonstrated not
having a firm grasp of. It's fascinating to me.

Says the dumbfuck who brought heating opposed to lighting into
this. Nice job, jackass. And this is from the retarded fuck who has
no clue what paschen's law is about.

So, I am pretty sure you are clueless about Planck as well.

And you speak for exactly ZERO members of "us", fuckhead.
How many personalities did the doctor tell you you have?

 

Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB03F3199FF89HT1
@hT41KfD4S.AX7vkLJvJmN3J574s978y2CV9TWfjub5k8tZfIBcnITL5:

Sorry I wasted everyones time with so many replies to the
ignorant twit.

Oh, look. The retarded fuck cannot support his claim, so runs off
apologizing for arguing to start with.

Notice how not one person came to stand on your side.

Why? Because VOLTAGE is what initiates an arc, NOT "amperage".

Maybe you are not *current* enough. Have to up *your* *amperage*.

 

On Sunday, 10 November 2019 08:51:20 UTC, Diesel wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
news:qq7hks$13vp$1@gioia.aioe.org Sat, 09 Nov 2019 23:21:00 GMT in
alt.home.repair, wrote:
Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote in news:XnsAB02A8E7F9A1EHT1
@t77x7AkL7.Fb1FosET2wF3v4w9z7iKzgi4G03HI9mL2ahBdF99av:

Umm. I wasn't talking about inverter ovens, but the plain jane
heavy transformer models. They are using a voltage doubler to get
5kv to feed the magnetron. The transformer is NOT generating 5kv
DC to run it on it's own. There's a big fat DIODE and a capacitor
in the circuit too; which is a voltage doubler!


One diode and one cap does not make a voltage doubler. The
diode is a rectifier so that the magnetron gets a DC feed.

I realize you thought you were looking at a half wave rectifier
circuit, but you aren't. Look closer at the components wiring
configuration sometime, you'll notice something different.

The diode is going across hot and neutral, the capacitor is coming
off one side; exact opposite of what you'd have for a half wave ac to
dc rectifier. What you have in this configuration, is an ac to dc
half wave voltage doubler circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYw_5LKfxms

You can also refresh your memory with a simple google search. Any
say, slightly above beginner in electronics should know this stuff...
ho hum.

we been saying that for a good while. Don't feed the troll.

 

On Sunday, 10 November 2019 13:29:52 UTC, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

tabbypurr wrote in news:25e7ff13-c8cd-4bef-bdd5-22bab2028b77
@googlegroups.com:

It's caused many line rated caps to fail in service.


Caps do not use bread bags.

no Caps require a better grade of film without pinholes

This was about insulating against line
voltage, not capacitor manufacturing films.

And they did not fail from a micro-hole, or it would have failed at
the factory over-voltage test. They fail from a full conduction path
breach or conductor node detachment.

Numerous cap failures have begun with pinholes. Read your history.


NT

 

On Sunday, 10 November 2019 13:33:51 UTC, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

tabbypurr wrote in
news:e488cf3a-a8e0-42ca-b038-b37ceaca10e9@googlegroups.com:
On Saturday, 9 November 2019 23:12:10 UTC,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

The drain is not connected to the feed tap manifold.

So, NO, the water line is NOT connected to a tub full of water
once
it is filled and the water is off.

A bath that's wet all over near the taps is thereby connected. And
with all the splash as it fills, wet it will surely be.

The taps are on the wall,

The great majority have the taps on the bath.

so it will not be very easy to fill the
tub up to the taps,

I see you missed my point completely. Again, when a bath is filled, there's lots of splash, making the insulator between tap & water soaking wet.

and you're dancing around like a Donald J.
Trumplike buffoon right now.

No, I'm sat down. You can't even get that right.


NT