Electric Cars Require Fewer Jobs to Build

[Rob]

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2019-10-07 12:49, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.


It's that "habeas corpus" thing that was brought in with the Magna
Carta, you see.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Over here, the police do not want to engage in such ridiculous chases
as we sometimes see on TV filmed in the USA and UK just to stop someone
who has speeded or jumped a red light. The risk for everyone else is
just too high. That is why traffic cameras were invented (in this
country) to gather evidence without such action.

 

[Phil Allison]

Rob wrote:

---------------

Over here, the police do not want to engage in such ridiculous chases
as we sometimes see on TV filmed in the USA and UK just to stop someone
who has speeded or jumped a red light.

** But that is a false claim.

Only those who FAIL to stop and instead start speeding get pursued, for the good reason that it is a serious offence and indicates the driver is highly motivated to avoid any police attention.

They regularly turn out to be disqualified for past serious driving offences, DUI, wanted on charges, have skipped bail or are driving a stolen car.

Who would think it fair to let any of those run loose ?


> The risk for everyone else is just too high.

** The police normally follow at a distance while the runaway driver is the one acting with criminal recklessness. Police immediately report their actions to a controller and get approval to continue or break off.

There was a *short* time in California (IIRC) when such " hot pursuits" were banned. The crims ran riot knowing they would not be chased or caught, no matter what.

The public soon begged for a return to the old rules.

That is why traffic cameras were invented (in this
country) to gather evidence without such action.

** Utter bullshit.

Traffic cams punish irresponsible motorists to teach them to drive more safely.

They create no disincentive for nor catch criminals.


...... Phil

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

-----------------


The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit. I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.
I'm way too lazy to micro-manage anyone, or to stalk around. I just
want to be left alone to scribble little circuits.

Plus he lacks all normal social and conversational skills.

Not all.

>I have worked for people like him, but NOT for long.

Our turnover is almost nil. Most people have been here for decades.

Two of them were pommies and the third a Scientologist.


.... Phil

I think it's time for an ice cream sandwich.

 

[Phil Allison]

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------

The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.

** Nice = only the he thinks are the same as him.

I'm way too lazy to micro-manage anyone, or to stalk around.

** So he only does that here ?

On a public forum with everyone watching ?

Oh, I forget Larkin consider the NG to be a joke and treat all the folk here as fools. I know so os has has posted that view several times.

I just
want to be left alone to scribble little circuits.

** How sweet- and totally contradicts what he just claimed.

Plus he lacks all normal social and conversational skills.


Not all.

** Must be saving one for a rainy day ... r

I have worked for people like him, but NOT for long.

Two of them were pommies and the third a Scientologist.

** I could post some hair raising stories is about them, the Scientologist was not the worst. He at least he gave grudging respect for my obvious abilities.

BTW:

Has anyone got a clue what it is like to be employed in a workplace where you are the only non-Scientologist among 5 or 6 people ?

Or one where the boss has got his whole family and siblings working for him plus two close friends - and you are the only outsider ?

Of course, it took a few weeks for me to realise that THAT was the deal.


..... Phil

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:50:17 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:17:23 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

An America-bashing Third World troll...

Who hasn't himself worked in decades.

The last time I got paid was in May 2003, at Haffmans BV in Venlo.

That's less than two decades ago. I do persist in applying for jobs, and get interviewed from time to time - less than once a year - but it's unlikely I'll ever find anything. I found myself retired when I was 60, and I'm now 76 - I can live with that, but it is a bit irritating.

I do stuff for the NSW branch of the IEEE, which looks like work to all the people who take advantage of it, but I don't get paid for it.

https://site.ieee.org/nsw/files/2019/03/Circuit_March_2019.pdf

John Larkin does like to be unpleasant. He's less explicit it about it than Phil Allison, but more vicious.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board. In other words, it's guilty until proven innocent.

--

Rick C.

--+-+ Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:55:56 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------


The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the ones he thinks are the same as him.


Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?


** John, I am not insulting you - I am outing you.

Really? I don't have many secrets.

For your constant, despicable postings here.

I try to be cheerful and helpful and talk about electronics. That's
the topic, not oh-tut-tut personality stuff. That's what Facebook is
for.

You really did not expect to have it all your own way for ever - did you ?

Why not? It doesn't cost anybody anything.


You didn't answer:

Why are you always insulting and shrieking and cursing?

Are you having fun?



But I don't know why this is ringing:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bxfdoqne2vspb3t/DSC04112.JPG?raw=1

About 700 MHz. I can add a lowpass filter, but it wrecks the rise and
fall time. IT MAKES ME SO MAD.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/7/19 4:24 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2019-10-07 12:49, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught.  Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades.  I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.


It's that "habeas corpus" thing that was brought in with the Magna
Carta, you see.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

how does habeas corpus apply if the citizen isn't detained in the first
place?

 

[bitrex]

On 10/7/19 4:24 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2019-10-07 12:49, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught.  Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades.  I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.


It's that "habeas corpus" thing that was brought in with the Magna
Carta, you see.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

the red-light tickets here are almost surely almost entirely automated
from camera to the citations being printed up and mailed.

A police officer probably just flips through the plate photos in the
image folder every so often to make sure all the digits have come out
clearly and that a reasonable name and address has been matched up with
the registration. The mailed citations are stamped "This citation has
been reviewed by a police officer" - so it has.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/7/19 12:49 PM, Rob wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

The police here make little effort to enforce the minutiae of vehicle
equipment laws, if you go "by the book" in most USA jurisdictions almost
no aftermarket lighting or non-DOT-approved equipment is allowed to be
on cars, at all. It happens all the time though and they don't make any
particular effort to try and enforce it on-sight most of the time.
Hoodlum's cars have a certain "look" to them and you can usually find
six things you could pull them over for immediately for on any
particular hoodlum's car.

They let them just keep them that way most of the time, makes a great
reason to pull them over when they suspect hoodlum in question is doing
something more serious like DUI or carrying drugs or otherwise up to no
good.

Police in the US are not under any _requirement_ to enforce any laws at
all or pull over every single speeder they see speeding, or to actively
protect any individual citizen from harm. it's almost entirely at their
discretion. this has been affirmed by the Supreme Court many times.

So the police are fine with motorists openly advertising "I'm a sketchy
person" if it doesn't really harm anyone else at the time, and will
often just let them do so _until_ the violation becomes otherwise
useful. Neer-do-wells love to advertise...

 

[Phil Allison]

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------

The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the ones he thinks are the same as him.


Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?

** John, I am not insulting you - I am outing you.

For your constant, despicable postings here.

You really did not expect to have it all your own way for ever - did you ?

Ain't 15 or more years enough ?


...... Phil

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------



The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the he thinks are the same as him.

Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?

That sounds a lot worse than any of my claimed pathologies.

You sure don't sound very happy.

 

[Phil Allison]

John Larkin Criminal Asshole puked:

---------------------------------

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the ones he thinks are the same as him.


Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?


** John, I am not insulting you - I am outing you.

Really? I don't have many secrets.

** Hiding in plain sight needs outing.

For your constant, despicable postings here.


I try to be cheerful and helpful and talk about electronics.

** FFS that is not what Larkin does at all..

You really did not expect to have it all your own way for ever - did you ?

Why not?

** What a fucking narcisistics pig !!!

You didn't answer:

** When did you stop beating your wife and daughter - John ?

The NG is very interested in knowing this, so don't dodge the question like you always do.

We are all very concerned about the welfare of women and your behaviour is not acceptable nowadays.


( $20 says the Septic cunt has no fucking idea why I posted the above )



...... Phil

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 8:47:32 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------



The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the he thinks are the same as him.

Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?

That sounds a lot worse than any of my claimed pathologies.

You sure don't sound very happy.

He is definitely worse than you. That doesn't make you any better in any way. I guess a short person would try to stand next to shorter people when a picture is being taken.

--

Rick C.

--+++ Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 6:39:36 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-07 12:49, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.


It's that "habeas corpus" thing that was brought in with the Magna
Carta, you see.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Over here, the police do not want to engage in such ridiculous chases
as we sometimes see on TV filmed in the USA and UK just to stop someone
who has speeded or jumped a red light. The risk for everyone else is
just too high. That is why traffic cameras were invented (in this
country) to gather evidence without such action.

WTF are you talking about??? The people who would run from a cop would not even receive a mailed traffic violation notice since they are likely driving a stolen car or have some sort of felony warrant against them so are not living at the address listed on their license or they would have been arrested by now.

What world are you living in?

--

Rick C.

--++- Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
--++- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 8:56:02 PM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------


The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the ones he thinks are the same as him.


Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?


** John, I am not insulting you - I am outing you.

For your constant, despicable postings here.

You really did not expect to have it all your own way for ever - did you ?

Ain't 15 or more years enough ?


..... Phil

I'm actually impressed that you are reasoning without screaming and using profanities. Are you on meds or something?

--

Rick C.

-+--- Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 10:58:31 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

-----------------


The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit. I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.

But he finds most of the population less than nice - they don't flatter him as enthusiastically as he feels they should, and he really resents that.

> I'm way too lazy to micro-manage anyone, or to stalk around.

For years he was the most prolific poster here - and may still be. That doesn't suggest laziness. He looks more like a hyper-energetic egomaniac.

He less interested when his self-image isn't at issue.

> I just want to be left alone to scribble little circuits.

And then find lots of people to admire each and every one of them - even though most of them re-invent the lumpy roller decades after everybody else did it.

Plus he lacks all normal social and conversational skills.

Not all.

He can talk fluently about himself for hours, and doesn't appreciate that there are other components in normal social skills.

I have worked for people like him, but NOT for long.

Our turnover is almost nil. Most people have been here for decades.

If you can put up with the prick and have worked out how to pull his levers, why bother moving?

> >Two of them were pommies and the third a Scientologist.

UK bosses are selected almost exclusively from members of the upper-middle class. That doesn't stop them from being good, but there are not enough good ones to fill all the slots, and the rest do include some total disasters.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 9:32:25 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:55:56 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------


The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the ones he thinks are the same as him.


Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?


** John, I am not insulting you - I am outing you.

Really? I don't have many secrets.


For your constant, despicable postings here.

I try to be cheerful and helpful and talk about electronics. That's
the topic, not oh-tut-tut personality stuff. That's what Facebook is
for.


You really did not expect to have it all your own way for ever - did you ?

Why not? It doesn't cost anybody anything.


You didn't answer:

Why are you always insulting and shrieking and cursing?

Are you having fun?

You are bizarre! You say you're not into all the "oh-tut-tut personality stuff", then you accuse Phil of insulting, shrieking and cursing? If you aren't into the drama of the group, why do you keep asking about this?

I keep asking you about this because I find you a truly unusual personality... in the clinical sense. Clearly you have some sort of denial going on. You do things you don't even realize you are doing. Yes, clinical is the right word.

--

Rick C.

-+--+ Get 2,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:47:32 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------



The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the he thinks are the same as him.

Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?

John Larkin experiences not being admired as "shrieking and cursing and insulting everybody". He makes the same sort of claims about my output.

That sounds a lot worse than any of my claimed pathologies.

Egomaniacs thank that whatever they do is perfectly fine. It's part of the condition.

> You sure don't sound very happy.

Some people enjoy being irritated. John Larkin enjoys being admired. My experience is that whenever anybody admires my work, they are softening me up to work on something tedious. John Larkin's work may be more admirable than mine, but what he posts here doesn't support that hypothesis.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 10/7/19 9:37 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board.

You don't get a trial because civil infractions, taken individually,
aren't crimes

In other words, it's guilty until proven innocent.
>

Welcome to tort law HTH