Electric Cars Require Fewer Jobs to Build

[Rick C]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:25:48 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 10/7/19 10:17 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/19 9:37 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board.

You don't get a trial because civil infractions, taken individually,
aren't crimes

Sorry, don't understand. Traffic tickets get a trial when issued by a cop. How is this different?

What kind of "trial" are we talking? Around here for civil infractions
like speeding and running red lights you go before a judge and plead
your case to the best of your ability with the 20 seconds you have
available (there are lot of people waiting...) and the judge says "Eh,
no" and you usually leave with nothing but your original ticket and
still a fine to pay. it's that way even if they're issued by a police
officer

Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:32:50 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:42:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/5/19 11:29 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
edward...@gmail.com wrote:

--------------------------


They probably don't have long enough power cords from home to vehicle.


** Childish.


However, if there is a need, there is a way. Using vehicle roof top
(around 1 sq. meter) and 40% solar efficiency, you can get 40 to 50
miles per 10 hours sun light. Yes, someone is claiming 40% and
possibly higher.


** How utterly absurd.

Solar / EV fanatics have no bounds to the insanities they believe and try to foist on others.

Makes spherical chickens seem quite real ...



.... Phil


Second only to the insanities that people who don't have one believe,
like the idea that the air conditioner will cause your range to drop by
half, because they believe car air conditioners have to draw some absurd
power like 6kW to keep a 150 cubic foot volume cool

Occupant comfort is more problematic in EVs compared to traditional
cars in both cold and hot climate.

In cold climate the initial warming up of the internal space and after
that the mainly conductive leakage through metal parts and windows.
Good isolation and double glazed windows help, but still you have to
warm the fresh air intake.

In hot climates, after initial cooling down, there are the conductive
heat ingress issues and cooling fresh air intake. The same measures
help to handle conductive heat ingress, but there is still direct
radiative losses. Some anti-IR coating on windows might help keeping
sunlight out, but since such coating also reduces visible light, at
least the coating should be required to be removed from the windscreen
during the night.

Some sun shades will also help, but you can't make it much wider than
the car body. Using sun shades to protect the slanted front and rear
windows is problematic, since it increases drag and hence increases
consumption.

What part of any of this is unique to EVs? ICE don't even make heat for some time after starting in the cold. At least in an EV you can heat up the car before getting in and while still connected to the power cord.

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 10/8/19 1:34 AM, Rick C wrote:

Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?


Who cares, the judge would just say "Your car doesn't seem to have been
reported stolen lately so if someone else was driving your car at the
time feel free to have them re-reimburse you"

lol! That's a great court system you got there. "I don't care if you are guilty or not. You are the one I have in front of me!" Reminds me of Oliver Twist.

Oh, I don't doubt America will become a tyranny; Americans prefer to
ignore large ones at their doorstep in preference to hunting for
tyrannical dust-bunnies under the bed

It's a civil infraction, not even a misdemeanor, nobody in the WORLD got
time to listen to you present goofy arguments to the court like you are
Perry Mason.

LOL... here it is a bit more important. Loosing you license to drive is not a trivial matter and tickets result in points toward exactly that, loosing your license.

I'm willing to believe you are not accurately representing the matter where you live.

If the Federal government can find perfectly adequate legal
justification for regularly dumping water on prisoner's faces upside
down then I'm pretty sure a state government can find legal
justification to not care whether a traffic cam had a good view of a
driver's face.

I'm definitely curious as to where you believe that line of reasoning
with respect to "you can't really be sure it was me driving the car, can
you" would lead if presented in an actual traffic court and I'd like to
know if you try it, though.

 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:38:14 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:32:50 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:42:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/5/19 11:29 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
edward...@gmail.com wrote:

--------------------------


They probably don't have long enough power cords from home to vehicle.


** Childish.


However, if there is a need, there is a way. Using vehicle roof top
(around 1 sq. meter) and 40% solar efficiency, you can get 40 to 50
miles per 10 hours sun light. Yes, someone is claiming 40% and
possibly higher.


** How utterly absurd.

Solar / EV fanatics have no bounds to the insanities they believe and try to foist on others.

Makes spherical chickens seem quite real ...



.... Phil


Second only to the insanities that people who don't have one believe,
like the idea that the air conditioner will cause your range to drop by
half, because they believe car air conditioners have to draw some absurd
power like 6kW to keep a 150 cubic foot volume cool

Occupant comfort is more problematic in EVs compared to traditional
cars in both cold and hot climate.

In cold climate the initial warming up of the internal space and after
that the mainly conductive leakage through metal parts and windows.
Good isolation and double glazed windows help, but still you have to
warm the fresh air intake.

In hot climates, after initial cooling down, there are the conductive
heat ingress issues and cooling fresh air intake. The same measures
help to handle conductive heat ingress, but there is still direct
radiative losses. Some anti-IR coating on windows might help keeping
sunlight out, but since such coating also reduces visible light, at
least the coating should be required to be removed from the windscreen
during the night.

Some sun shades will also help, but you can't make it much wider than
the car body. Using sun shades to protect the slanted front and rear
windows is problematic, since it increases drag and hence increases
consumption.

What part of any of this is unique to EVs? ICE don't even make heat for some time after starting in the cold.

The block heater helps a lot, an indoor heater even more.

> At least in an EV you can heat up the car before getting in and while still connected to the power cord.

Don't compare apples and oranges.

An EV parked in the cold without a charging cable has the same
problems as an ordinary car in similar conditions. In addition cold
batteries do not give full output power until warmed up.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:27:21 PM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 7:03:41 AM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

It has been made clear that in the UK they have trouble putting a kettle on.

Not in the bits where I lived from 1971 to 1993.

Maybe where you lived they didn't watch football. Every group in which I've discussed EV charging they talk about how during the commercial breaks the tea kettles all come on at once and the grid dips nearly to the point of blacking out.

Maybe the kind of people who discuss EV charging on user groups are a bit strange. This not a phenomenon I've ever run into, or even heard talked about.

> All I can do is report the facts as provided by the people who live in the UK. Who am I to challenge their facts no matter how implausible they sound?

I haven't been there since 2015. So I'm not much better placed.

> Clearly the UK and Australia have a woefully inadequate electrical infrastructure and will never be capable of widespread EV adoption.

Australia's electrical infrastructure is probably over-robust - when it got privatised a decade or so ago, the scheme had a few weaknesses, and one of them lead to the "gold-plating" of the distribution network, which could recover the costs of every cent they spent on poles and wires, no matter how unnecessary the up-grades were.

The network is scaled to handle peak loads, and charging car batteries could be disabled during the peak load periods. This might shift the charging times away from peak solar input, but Australia seems to be planning on spending a bundle on expanding the Snowy River hydroelectric generating system to make it a huge pumped storage scheme.

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/our-scheme/snowy20/about-snowy-2-0-2/

The preliminary spending is already underway.

> Someone pointed out to me that it is impossible to build enough EV fast charging to allow trips since the towns in between the major destinations don't have enough capacity to build the required charging facilities. I don't recall the town names, but it looks like Tarcutta is about the only place in the middle to put a charging station between Sydney and Melbourne. Not much of a town.

The Australian national capital - Canberra - is about halfway between Sydney and Melbourne. It's got politicians so it is bound to have charging stations.

The drive from Melbourne to Sydney takes about ten hours. I've done it a few times. There are bunch of decent sized provincial towns along the way, all of them plenty big enough to support charging stations. Eastern Australia is linked by a high voltage grid,and if a provincial town need extra capacity to support a fast charging station - which seems unlikely - they'd just beef up the transformer at the local sub-station.

> Yeah, looks like Australia is screwed for at least a hundred years.

If you get your information from people who think that our domestic supplies get pulled down by all the kettles being put on during commercial breaks, you might think that. Better informants might give you a more realistic idea.

I regularly walk past a parked Tesla on my morning trip to the local coffee shop (which serves coffee and food - unlike it's Dutch equivalent).

There aren't that many around yet - last year Australians bought about 800 electric cars, but they've bought some 1200 since January, so the trend is up.

Apparently the work being done in the garage space under our building is going to include putting in some charging points in individual parking bays, of which there are at least 80 - the penthouse flats may have two each.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 10/7/19 8:06 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

Rob wrote:

---------------



Over here, the police do not want to engage in such ridiculous chases
as we sometimes see on TV filmed in the USA and UK just to stop someone
who has speeded or jumped a red light.



** But that is a false claim.

Only those who FAIL to stop and instead start speeding get pursued, for the good reason that it is a serious offence and indicates the driver is highly motivated to avoid any police attention.

They regularly turn out to be disqualified for past serious driving offences, DUI, wanted on charges, have skipped bail or are driving a stolen car.

Who would think it fair to let any of those run loose ?


The risk for everyone else is just too high.

** The police normally follow at a distance while the runaway driver is the one acting with criminal recklessness. Police immediately report their actions to a controller and get approval to continue or break off.

There was a *short* time in California (IIRC) when such " hot pursuits" were banned. The crims ran riot knowing they would not be chased or caught, no matter what.

The public soon begged for a return to the old rules.

State governments don't have any ability to make broad law-enforcement
policy decisions like that and force every police department in the
state to obey them.

America has thousands of different police departments that operate
mostly autonomously and they all have their own policies and rules, it's
not uncommon to see police cars with logos from five different police
forces sitting next to each other at the coffee shop. State police,
local police, county sheriff's office, National Park service police,
Amtrak police, etc. every one of them has the legal authority to cuff
you and arrest you

The state government can decide what the state police do. The bulk of
purists are carried out by local police. I don't think local police have
ever all agreed in unison to not _ever_ do it, in any state

That is why traffic cameras were invented (in this
country) to gather evidence without such action.

** Utter bullshit.

Traffic cams punish irresponsible motorists to teach them to drive more safely.

They create no disincentive for nor catch criminals.


..... Phil

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:48:11 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:38:14 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:32:50 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:42:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/5/19 11:29 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
edward...@gmail.com wrote:

--------------------------


They probably don't have long enough power cords from home to vehicle.


** Childish.


However, if there is a need, there is a way. Using vehicle roof top
(around 1 sq. meter) and 40% solar efficiency, you can get 40 to 50
miles per 10 hours sun light. Yes, someone is claiming 40% and
possibly higher.


** How utterly absurd.

Solar / EV fanatics have no bounds to the insanities they believe and try to foist on others.

Makes spherical chickens seem quite real ...



.... Phil


Second only to the insanities that people who don't have one believe,
like the idea that the air conditioner will cause your range to drop by
half, because they believe car air conditioners have to draw some absurd
power like 6kW to keep a 150 cubic foot volume cool

Occupant comfort is more problematic in EVs compared to traditional
cars in both cold and hot climate.

In cold climate the initial warming up of the internal space and after
that the mainly conductive leakage through metal parts and windows.
Good isolation and double glazed windows help, but still you have to
warm the fresh air intake.

In hot climates, after initial cooling down, there are the conductive
heat ingress issues and cooling fresh air intake. The same measures
help to handle conductive heat ingress, but there is still direct
radiative losses. Some anti-IR coating on windows might help keeping
sunlight out, but since such coating also reduces visible light, at
least the coating should be required to be removed from the windscreen
during the night.

Some sun shades will also help, but you can't make it much wider than
the car body. Using sun shades to protect the slanted front and rear
windows is problematic, since it increases drag and hence increases
consumption.

What part of any of this is unique to EVs? ICE don't even make heat for some time after starting in the cold.

The block heater helps a lot, an indoor heater even more.

At least in an EV you can heat up the car before getting in and while still connected to the power cord.

Don't compare apples and oranges.

An EV parked in the cold without a charging cable has the same
problems as an ordinary car in similar conditions. In addition cold
batteries do not give full output power until warmed up.

You don't need "full power" to drive or heat the car. My car is capable of something over 500 HP. How much do you think it takes to heat the car? It takes 20 kW (27 hp) to propel the car on average. I don't think the battery will ever fail to crank the engine on a cold morning.

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 10/8/19 1:34 AM, Rick C wrote:

It's a civil infraction, not even a misdemeanor, nobody in the WORLD got
time to listen to you present goofy arguments to the court like you are
Perry Mason.

LOL... here it is a bit more important. Loosing you license to drive is not a trivial matter and tickets result in points toward exactly that, loosing your license.

Don't know how to impress on you the concept of "They don't care,
dude..." vis a vis the court system and that someone might not-steal
your car and then run it through red lights five times and cause you to
lose your license

 

[Rob]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 12:49:47 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.

No, traffic cameras are widely used, just not all that pervasively... i.e. not at every intersection. Usually they are used at trouble spots.

The problem I have is that they are often operated by a company on a profit sharing basis with the local jurisdiction. So the company has little incentive to be accurate, rather they have every incentive to issue summons. There is no police officer reviewing anything. More importantly, there is no accuser to question in court. In fact, in many jurisdictions they don't even give you a trial, it's a hearing with a review board. In other words, it's guilty until proven innocent.

Well, here they have to be calibrated and certified. There is no
reason to assume that they e.g. indicate more speed than there really is,
to then issue more tickets.
Furthermore, 5% is subtracted from the indicated value as an allowance
for any error before calculating the fine.

 

[Rob]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 6:39:36 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2019-10-07 12:49, Rob wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I think it may actually a high intensity array of white LEDs, not a
strobe. People put all sorts of weird crap on the license plates to try
to defeat 'em like IR LEDs or blinking LEDs pointing backwards, and
darkly tinted plate covers, reflective tape, stuff like that. High
intensity visible light flash will defeat any of that low-effort ideas I
believe.

Over here that is an offense that would result in a hefty fine when
you are caught. Maybe that is because most traffic tickets are issued
after cameras have taken pictures some way, and it has been like that
for decades. I believe in the USA for many situations it is required
that you are being stopped by a policeman, but that rarely happens here.


It's that "habeas corpus" thing that was brought in with the Magna
Carta, you see.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Over here, the police do not want to engage in such ridiculous chases
as we sometimes see on TV filmed in the USA and UK just to stop someone
who has speeded or jumped a red light. The risk for everyone else is
just too high. That is why traffic cameras were invented (in this
country) to gather evidence without such action.

WTF are you talking about??? The people who would run from a cop would not even receive a mailed traffic violation notice since they are likely driving a stolen car or have some sort of felony warrant against them so are not living at the address listed on their license or they would have been arrested by now.

What world are you living in?

Sure it happens that people are caught who have collected like 50.000 in
traffic fines and have not paid them, but it is not so easy to get away
with them. Most irresponsible drivers are not criminals in a stolen car,
they are just salesmen in a hurry to the next appointment.
(let's leave it in the middle what they are selling)

 

[Rob]

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Rob wrote:

---------------



Over here, the police do not want to engage in such ridiculous chases
as we sometimes see on TV filmed in the USA and UK just to stop someone
who has speeded or jumped a red light.



** But that is a false claim.

Only those who FAIL to stop and instead start speeding get pursued, for the good reason that it is a serious offence and indicates the driver is highly motivated to avoid any police attention.

They regularly turn out to be disqualified for past serious driving offences, DUI, wanted on charges, have skipped bail or are driving a stolen car.

Who would think it fair to let any of those run loose ?

Because there are other aspects to it.
Chasing such people on the public roads seriously endangers other people
who are not involved at all.
Sometimes it is done in criminal cases, but not for traffic offenses.

The risk for everyone else is just too high.

** The police normally follow at a distance while the runaway driver is the one acting with criminal recklessness. Police immediately report their actions to a controller and get approval to continue or break off.

There was a *short* time in California (IIRC) when such " hot pursuits" were banned. The crims ran riot knowing they would not be chased or caught, no matter what.

The public soon begged for a return to the old rules.

I hear that in the USA people are even begging to keep their guns,
that does not make it a reasonable thing.
Of course there are always cases where people run away that maybe could
have been caught, but does that offset the cases where innocent people
were hurt or their property damages because of a mad car chase?

That is why traffic cameras were invented (in this
country) to gather evidence without such action.

** Utter bullshit.

Traffic cams punish irresponsible motorists to teach them to drive more safely.

They create no disincentive for nor catch criminals.

In fact, more and more traffic cams have license plate recognition and
they also flag stolen cars and searched criminals.

 

[Rob]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Who has to go to court for camera offenses, the driver or the owner?

Do they have good footage of the driver's face?

Here the owner of the car is responsible for such offenses and it is
not important who drove the car. But you can present evidence that the
car was stolen or rented to someone else at the time the offense was made.

 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:27:15 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 10:34:38 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 7:03:41 AM UTC+11, Rick C wrote:

It has been made clear that in the UK they have trouble putting a kettle on.

Not in the bits where I lived from 1971 to 1993.

Maybe where you lived they didn't watch football. Every group in which I've discussed EV charging they talk about how during the commercial breaks the tea kettles all come on at once and the grid dips nearly to the point of blacking out.

Unbelievable story, do you really think that those who watch football
drink tea, more likely they drink beer

I do not believe that the UK network is in so bad condition that
fetching the next beer can from the fridge and hence turning on the
fridge lamp would cause harm to the network .

A few decades ago I heard a story from some steam power plant
operators who were watching some of those decade long running
TV-series episode and when it was nearing the end, the operators
turned up the steam, pressure, so that they could respond to the
increased kettle loading when the episode had just ended.

 

On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 22:29:34 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:50:08 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:17:23 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

An America-bashing Third World troll...

Who hasn't himself worked in decades.

Unemployable.

I think so. Attitude is as important as technical skill, and a lot
more obvious. Imagine working with someone whose main interest in life
is to generate droning 3rd party insults and cite some silly paper he
got published 98 years ago.

He has, or had, some interesting skills that could have turned into
some nice consulting business. I suggested how he could market that,
but he apparently didn't want to try.

Old guys tend to not get hired through the usual ad/resume/HR/
interview process. But our age and experience and real-electronics
skills can be assets as consultants. It's fun and the hourly pay is
great.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 23:38:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/7/19 9:57 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 9:32:25 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:55:56 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

---------------------


The hold over our employees heads is salary, 401K, bonuses, medical
care, interesting work, great people to work with, and free ice cream
sandwiches.


** However, But the boss is a Aspergers nut case and egomanic who micro-manages, insults, stalks and harasses anyone who he sees as different to himself.

Not a bit.

** Larkin is a congentital liar.

I'm cheerful and polite and friendly around nice people.


** Nice = only the ones he thinks are the same as him.


Why are you always shrieking and cursing and insulting everyone?


** John, I am not insulting you - I am outing you.

Really? I don't have many secrets.


For your constant, despicable postings here.

I try to be cheerful and helpful and talk about electronics. That's
the topic, not oh-tut-tut personality stuff. That's what Facebook is
for.


You really did not expect to have it all your own way for ever - did you ?

Why not? It doesn't cost anybody anything.


You didn't answer:

Why are you always insulting and shrieking and cursing?

Are you having fun?

You are bizarre! You say you're not into all the "oh-tut-tut personality stuff", then you accuse Phil of insulting, shrieking and cursing? If you aren't into the drama of the group, why do you keep asking about this?

I keep asking you about this because I find you a truly unusual personality... in the clinical sense. Clearly you have some sort of denial going on. You do things you don't even realize you are doing. Yes, clinical is the right word.


I've heard guys in tech complain that they don't want to work in an
office with women because they cause "too much drama."

...

This week I'm working with two women who are doing the FPGA for my
laser controller. There's drama, but it's all about the logic and the
timing.

We (well, I mean I) forgot to provide a good way to production test my
40 MHz triggered oscillator. When it's gated, it only needs to run for
5 cycles. I guess it might manage 10... we'll know later today It runs
into their FPGA, so we are trying to invent a way to measure the burst
oscillator frequency inside the FPGA. Fun.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nezshpka0eush92/Tplus_Trig_Osc_2.jpg?raw=1

In my team, the drama seems to come from the guys. Testosterone
interferes with logic. I think estrogen is a better engineering
hormone.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:53:25 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/8/19 11:08 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I've heard guys in tech complain that they don't want to work in an
office with women because they cause "too much drama."

...

This week I'm working with two women who are doing the FPGA for my
laser controller. There's drama, but it's all about the logic and the
timing.

We (well, I mean I) forgot to provide a good way to production test my
40 MHz triggered oscillator. When it's gated, it only needs to run for
5 cycles. I guess it might manage 10... we'll know later today It runs
into their FPGA, so we are trying to invent a way to measure the burst
oscillator frequency inside the FPGA. Fun.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nezshpka0eush92/Tplus_Trig_Osc_2.jpg?raw=1

In my team, the drama seems to come from the guys. Testosterone
interferes with logic. I think estrogen is a better engineering
hormone.



Maybe so. In the modern (real) world the emotional reaction of "rage" in
response to almost any situation is almost always counterproductive and
guaranteed to leave you, as a straight man, in a worse
financial/legal/emotional/employment/relationship situation than when
you started

I don't see a lot of outright rage. I do see a lot of reasoning being
peverted by the macho need to be right in public. In most people,
perception and reasoning are both slaves to emotion.

What does "straight" have to do with it? I've had (still have)
straight and gay engineers, and they seem to have about the same set
of emotions.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:55:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/8/19 11:53 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 10/8/19 11:08 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I've heard guys in tech complain that they don't want to work in an
office with women because they cause "too much drama."

...

This week I'm working with two women who are doing the FPGA for my
laser controller. There's drama, but it's all about the logic and the
timing.

We (well, I mean I) forgot to provide a good way to production test my
40 MHz triggered oscillator. When it's gated, it only needs to run for
5 cycles. I guess it might manage 10... we'll know later today It runs
into their FPGA, so we are trying to invent a way to measure the burst
oscillator frequency inside the FPGA. Fun.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nezshpka0eush92/Tplus_Trig_Osc_2.jpg?raw=1

In my team, the drama seems to come from the guys. Testosterone
interferes with logic. I think estrogen is a better engineering
hormone.



Maybe so. In the modern (real) world the emotional reaction of "rage" in
response to almost any situation is almost always counterproductive and
guaranteed to leave you, as a straight man, in a worse
financial/legal/emotional/employment/relationship situation than when
you started


Well, unless you're the President, that is.

But he's usually right.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[bitrex]

On 10/8/19 11:53 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 10/8/19 11:08 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I've heard guys in tech complain that they don't want to work in an
office with women because they cause "too much drama."

...

This week I'm working with two women who are doing the FPGA for my
laser controller. There's drama, but it's all about the logic and the
timing.

We (well, I mean I) forgot to provide a good way to production test my
40 MHz triggered oscillator. When it's gated, it only needs to run for
5 cycles. I guess it might manage 10... we'll know later today It runs
into their FPGA, so we are trying to invent a way to measure the burst
oscillator frequency inside the FPGA. Fun.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nezshpka0eush92/Tplus_Trig_Osc_2.jpg?raw=1

In my team, the drama seems to come from the guys. Testosterone
interferes with logic. I think estrogen is a better engineering
hormone.



Maybe so. In the modern (real) world the emotional reaction of "rage" in
response to almost any situation is almost always counterproductive and
guaranteed to leave you, as a straight man, in a worse
financial/legal/emotional/employment/relationship situation than when
you started

Well, unless you're the President, that is.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/8/19 11:08 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I've heard guys in tech complain that they don't want to work in an
office with women because they cause "too much drama."

...

This week I'm working with two women who are doing the FPGA for my
laser controller. There's drama, but it's all about the logic and the
timing.

We (well, I mean I) forgot to provide a good way to production test my
40 MHz triggered oscillator. When it's gated, it only needs to run for
5 cycles. I guess it might manage 10... we'll know later today It runs
into their FPGA, so we are trying to invent a way to measure the burst
oscillator frequency inside the FPGA. Fun.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nezshpka0eush92/Tplus_Trig_Osc_2.jpg?raw=1

In my team, the drama seems to come from the guys. Testosterone
interferes with logic. I think estrogen is a better engineering
hormone.

Maybe so. In the modern (real) world the emotional reaction of "rage" in
response to almost any situation is almost always counterproductive and
guaranteed to leave you, as a straight man, in a worse
financial/legal/emotional/employment/relationship situation than when
you started

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:32 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 22:29:34 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:50:08 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:17:23 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote:

An America-bashing Third World troll...

Who hasn't himself worked in decades.

Unemployable.

I think so. Attitude is as important as technical skill, and a lot
more obvious. Imagine working with someone whose main interest in life
is to generate droning 3rd party insults and cite some silly paper he
got published 98 years ago.

He has, or had, some interesting skills that could have turned into
some nice consulting business. I suggested how he could market that,
but he apparently didn't want to try.

Old guys tend to not get hired through the usual ad/resume/HR/
interview process. But our age and experience and real-electronics
skills can be assets as consultants. It's fun and the hourly pay is
great.

Any potential employer would have had no problem finding out that he had a bad attitude, by simply searching online. Who would hire someone that constantly caused friction for them, and their other employees? Pre-internet a jerk could move to another town where no one knew their history and find work. Now it follows you anywhere in the world and maybe the rest of the solar system.

When I first started working, there were a few well known names of locals that were unemployable. That was over 50 years ago. It didn't matter what their problems were. After a couple times of being fired or laid off, no one wanted them. No one wants to work with a troublemaker, unless they are even worse.